smoke cigs everyday of my life

I did smoke but I quit. Im glad I quit too, that stuff is a waste and Im already out of shape and that was making everything worse. Morning_Revival

I do, but if you think cigs are cool, or smell nice, something is wrong with you. Tobacco smell is the worst thing.joao_22990

If you smoke them for any length of time, you'd probably disagree. Some cigarrette smoke smells bad to me but everyonce and awhile I walk past someone who's smoking one of the brands my mom smoked (so I was getting second hand) when I lived with her and it smells like heaven.

I don't smoke cigarrettes, but I do smoke the occasional cigar.

Just eat some ice cream everyday. Trust me, your life in worthwhile, dont waste it on some stupid tobacco.Gamerkat

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="I_pWnzz_YoU"] We can't help it if we're walking down the street and someone walks past us thats smoking.I_pWnzz_YoU

That's such a low level of exposure that it's a total non-issue.

Then why have people gotten lung cancer through second hand? Some families have people who smoke, and you can't really avoid it then.

Cite me ONE case of someone who has gotten lung cancer because he was once standing on the street and he smelled a dude's cigarette smoke for five seconds while standing outside in the open air.

ONE CASE of that happening. That's all I want to see. I'm not asking you to prove that that's some kind of epidemic. Just give me ONE single case in which someone has been shown to get lung cancer after walking by a smoker out in the open air.

[QUOTE="Gamerkat"]Just eat some ice cream everyday. Trust me, your life in worthwhile, dont waste it on some stupid tobacco.Andrew_Xavier

But that's different. Ice cream isn't on the "not cool" list. Tobacco is.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="Gamerkat"]Just eat some ice cream everyday. Trust me, your life in worthwhile, dont waste it on some stupid tobacco.MrGeezer

But that's different. Ice cream isn't on the "not cool" list. Tobacco is.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="Vanadium2k8"]Would you say it's worth smoking to lose 951 days of your life?MaXXXed_Out

Alternative question...how many people here are fine with wasting 951 days of their life playing videogames?

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"] you didn't answer the question bro btw, video games don't cause cancer. it's 951 days of sharpening your eye-hand coordination. not wasted time at all.MaXXXed_Out

Oh I'm sorry, I thought she was asking the rest of the people here.

Anyway, it's OBVIOUS that I think it's worth it, since I still smoke. If I did NOT think that the risks outweighed the benefits, then I wouldn't still be doing it, would I? That is the fundamental reason why ANYONE is comfortable with performing ANY voluntary activity. If it's involuntary, then you can't help it. But if it is voluntary, and you think that it's not worth it, then you don't do it. It's that simple. This applies to smoking, videogaming, fishing, rock-climbing, stunt-driving, whatever you want to substitute in whatever's place. If it's not worth it, you don't do it.

what a lame excuse bro. trying to say it's voluntary and all that. no. it's this little thing called addiction.

[QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Alternative question...how many people here are fine with wasting 951 days of their life playing videogames?

Andrew_Xavier

Oop... I almost forgot. I won't be able to make it, fellas. Veronica and I trying this new fad called, uh, jogging. I believe it's 'jogging' or 'yogging.' it might be a soft j. I'm not sure but apparently you just run for an extended period of time! It's supposed to be wild.

Lighting and smoking a cigarette is a voluntary action. Period.-Keel-_basic

I swear, I can quit any time I want!

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"]Lighting and smoking a cigarette is a voluntary action. Period.metroidfood

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"]

what a lame excuse bro. trying to say it's voluntary and all that. no. it's this little thing called addiction.

MaXXXed_Out

[QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Oh I'm sorry, I thought she was asking the rest of the people here.

Anyway, it's OBVIOUS that I think it's worth it, since I still smoke. If I did NOT think that the risks outweighed the benefits, then I wouldn't still be doing it, would I? That is the fundamental reason why ANYONE is comfortable with performing ANY voluntary activity. If it's involuntary, then you can't help it. But if it is voluntary, and you think that it's not worth it, then you don't do it. It's that simple. This applies to smoking, videogaming, fishing, rock-climbing, stunt-driving, whatever you want to substitute in whatever's place. If it's not worth it, you don't do it.

-Keel-_basic

what a lame excuse bro. trying to say it's voluntary and all that. no. it's this little thing called addiction.

It's quite a conundrum, really. Either smokers are in charge of their own actions and CHOOSE to smoke, or tobacco MAKES them smoke.

If it's the former, then it STILL fits within the risk/reward analysis. Smokers don't get brainwashed and have the addiction shell out money for cigarettes. PEOPLE buy cigarettes, and every single smoker knows EXACTLY what he is doing every single time he goes to the store and buys a pack of cigarettes.

And if it's the latter, and smokers really are NOT in control of their actions, then that makes it pretty ****ing cruel the way that people demonize smokers. If they can't help it, then what's with the ****ing hate? If smokers REALLY can't help it, and smoking is beyond their control, then insulting a nicotine addict is like walking up to a retarded person and laughing while he tries to solve a Rubik's Cube.

So...which is it?

[QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"][QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] Lighting and smoking a cigarette is a voluntary action. Period.-Keel-_basic

never had an addiction, have you?

[QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"][QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] Lighting and smoking a cigarette is a voluntary action. Period.-Keel-_basic

Nicotine acts in the reward pathway of the brain, so it is physically addictive. It may not control your will, but it can control your body.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"]

what a lame excuse bro. trying to say it's voluntary and all that. no. it's this little thing called addiction.

MrGeezer

It's quite a conundrum, really. Either smokers are in charge of their own actions and CHOOSE to smoke, or tobacco MAKES them smoke.

If it's the former, then it STILL fits within the risk/reward analysis. Smokers don't get brainwashed and have the addiction shell out money for cigarettes. PEOPLE buy cigarettes, and every single smoker knows EXACTLY what he is doing every single time he goes to the store and buys a pack of cigarettes.

And if it's the latter, and smokers really are NOT in control of their actions, then that makes it pretty ****ing cruel the way that people demonize smokers. If they can't help it, then what's with the ****ing hate? If smokers REALLY can't help it, and smoking is beyond their control, then insulting a nicotine addict is like walking up to a retarded person and laughing while he tries to solve a Rubik's Cube.

So...which is it?

kinda like people can't help but smoke crystal meth, so its alright, right?

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"] the first time sure bro. not after nicotine gets it's hooks into youMaXXXed_Out

ive been smoking pretty regurally for the past 3 years

i have stints of about one week when i dont smoke at all to try and quit...in that time period i can notice my face conplextion or whatever gets alot clearer...and i put on a couple healthy pounds...

because smoking sorta shrinks your body up

You seem awfully smart. However while I am cowering before the magnitude of intelligence, I think you should look up the definition of voluntary. It may help your argument! Or defeat it.-Keel-_basic

If you were deprived of food for a prolonged period of time and I bet you'd voluntarily go eat something as soon as you could.

That doesn't mean you acted entirely of your own will though.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"] the first time sure bro. not after nicotine gets it's hooks into youmetroidfood

Nicotine acts in the reward pathway of the brain, so it is physically addictive. It may not control your will, but it can control your body.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"] nicotine isn't bro, but the pain you feel when you go without it, sure is motivational. you eventually cave in. stop trying to argue with me. I'm smarter than youMaXXXed_Out

Not obscure information. Voluntariness has to do with one's will. -Keel-_basic

Like I said, just because you voluntarily chose to do something doesn't mean there wasn't coercion behind that decision.

People voluntarily continue to smoke because the nicotine causes them to crave cigarrettes.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] You seem awfully smart. However while I am cowering before the magnitude of intelligence, I think you should look up the definition of voluntary. It may help your argument! Or defeat it.metroidfood

If you were deprived of food for a prolonged period of time and I bet you'd voluntarily go eat something as soon as you could.

That doesn't mean you acted entirely of your own will though.

I quit smoking last year. I smoked over a pack a day, and quit "cold turkey." You seem like a very stupid person to me, no offense.-Keel-_basic

Good job. That doesn't make it not addictive. That just means your will was stronger than your addiction.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] Not obscure information. Voluntariness has to do with one's will. metroidfood

Like I said, just because you voluntarily chose to do something doesn't mean there wasn't coercion behind that decision.

People voluntarily continue to smoke because the nicotine causes them to crave cigarrettes.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="MaXXXed_Out"] the first time sure bro. not after nicotine gets it's hooks into youlinks136

never had an addiction, have you?

Are YOU addicted to nicotine?

Are YOU a heavy smoker?

Because I AM, and I can tell you from experience that HE IS RIGHT.

Don't even try it dude. If you want to call him out on his personal experience with addiction, let me ask you if YOU'VE ever been addicted to nicotine. I HAVE. I've been smoking more than a pack a day for more than ten years, and I';m telling you that anyone who says that they don't know what they're doing EVERY SINGLE TIME they light a cigarette is a damn liar. Quitting is HARD, and it takes WORK, but it's not some damn mind control device that gives people amnesia and then wakes them up right after they're done smoking a cigarette. Smokers know EXACTLY what they are doing EVERY SINGLE TIME they smoke. And that's it. Sure, smokers genuinely WANT to quit. But until they ACTUALLY quit, they want to smoke MORE than they want to quit. It's ALWAYS a voluntary decision, and it ALWAYS boils down to people smoking because they'd rather smoke than to NOT smoke.

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] Not obscure information. Voluntariness has to do with one's will. -Keel-_basic

Like I said, just because you voluntarily chose to do something doesn't mean there wasn't coercion behind that decision.

People voluntarily continue to smoke because the nicotine causes them to crave cigarrettes.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] I quit smoking last year. I smoked over a pack a day, and quit "cold turkey." You seem like a very stupid person to me, no offense.metroidfood

Good job. That doesn't make it not addictive. That just means your will was stronger than your addiction.

[QUOTE="jasperrussell"]Mr. Geezer, if you're happy to entertain me, what are the benefits of smoking that outweight the risks for you.MaXXXed_Out

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] And if it's the latter, and smokers really are NOT in control of their actions, then that makes it pretty ****ing cruel the way that people demonize smokers. If they can't help it, then what's with the ****ing hate? MaXXXed_Out

:lol:

Constructive criticism, my butt.

Who are you trying to convince? Me, or yourself? Do you REALLY think I'm naive enough to buy that, or are you simply trying to justify in your mind the kind of self-serving ego-stroking feeling that non-smokers get by being able to publicly act superior?

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"] I quit smoking last year. I smoked over a pack a day, and quit "cold turkey." You seem like a very stupid person to me, no offense.-Keel-_basic

Good job. That doesn't make it not addictive. That just means your will was stronger than your addiction.

Heh, well I guess that I misunderstood your position. Jumped too late into the conversation I guess.

And congrats on 4k posts there buddy. :D

wrong. if there are stimuli influencing a decision then it is not a product of will lol bro get out of here with your psuedo-intellect lolMaXXXed_Out

I think what he's saying is that it's still an act of will, even if they're simply following the path of least resistance.

If you choose to climb over a molehill rather than a mountain there's stimuli in that decision, but you still chose the molehill.

[QUOTE="-Keel-_basic"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

Like I said, just because you voluntarily chose to do something doesn't mean there wasn't coercion behind that decision.

People voluntarily continue to smoke because the nicotine causes them to crave cigarrettes.

MaXXXed_Out