So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

I was ill when they was teaching the bible at school.

why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

iwilson1296

i belive that there is a CREATOR out there. i mean just think about it, the universe is just so perfectly made that theres needs to be a creator. i just dont think of god as these prophets tell him as....some kind of GUY that stears down on all and watches everything you do, if you do a crime then you go to hell. thats all rubbish. imo i think man created religion to keep order, and also ppl back then in anctient times were hungry for answers, they wanted to know what will happen when they die and all that. so when they hear of a prophecy that says you will rest in paradise then they buy into it.....in todays world, science answers our questions, why? because its backed by PROOF. i mean come on, these same ppl that made religion and embrassed it also belived THE WORLD WAS FLAT, and is the center of the universe.....in conclusion, i believe in a creator but not religion or prophets

why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

iwilson1296

I think the problem with theists is they tend to be unfamiliar with the idea of burden of proof, that or reject it for no justified reason.

We don't have to justify our lack of belief in a God, it is the person claiming there is a God that has to justify their position. If things worked the other way round we would waste all our time and resources disproving everything anyone has ever made up.

I think the problem with theists is they tend to be unfamiliar with the idea of burden of proof, that or reject it for no justified reason.

We don't have to justify our lack of belief in a God, it is the person claiming there is a God that has to justify their position. If things worked the other way round we would waste all our time and resources disproving everything anyone has ever made up.

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How do you know Adam and Eve were the first people? Science says that we were probably blue-green algaes or something that evolved into humans. I find it hard to believe that algae have names. How do you the Adam and Eve story is real? Looks like a way to diminish women and give men the power.

ordinarydot

Yeah, but finding either proof or disproof of something that is outside the laws of our perceived universe is an exercise in futility either way.mattbbpl

Which is irrelevant, they want us to convert to their way of thinking; so it is up to them to convince us to do so.

It is not our problem if they are unable to prove their claim.

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why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

mattbbpl

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Without the bad, we would not appreciate the good. "God" just allows us to go through this life with full freedom in order to gain as much from it as possible, the bad in the world purely on us, just like the good.

SpartanNapoleon

God could have made pain and unhappiness without being so unfair.

The amount of physical suffering that the human body is capable of through natural diseases is absolutely cruel for anyone to have "designed". Whoever designed it is the most cruel monster in the history of the universe.

God may or may not exist but the christian god almost certainly does not exist or any lovable god for that matter.

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why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

BumFluff122

According to SOME believers. In the movie Jesus Camp there was one scene where the mom, who was homeschooling her kid, put in a video explaining how there never were any dinosaurs and how people who, "discovered," these skeletons were really just being imaginative and were assembling the bones in a random manner.

oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??gubrushadow

Where did god come from? :roll: ;)Birdy09

If God was created, then he isn't omnipotent. :S

*eats popcorn* This is the biggest religious thread yet! :3

Where did god come from? :roll: ;)Birdy09

This is the whole problem with the idea of creation, rather than seek out the answer they just push it back.

Who created the universes? God did it. Well who created him? The God of God. Well who created him? The God of God of God...

You are not answering the question, just passing it along.

Some of them will say God didn't need an intelligent creator and nothing came before him, in which case why does the universe need an intelligent creator?

All Science is doing is looking at the evidence and trying to piece together the answer based on what the evidence is telling them, because it doesn't go along with religions beliefs; creationists attack science. That is what it comes down to at the end of the day, there isn't some conspiracy by Atheists to trick the world into thinking their way.

the better question is: why do atheists feel that people are really interested in their argument about god? whenever they get the chance they will start talking **** about how science did this, and research did that, and homosexuality has been observed in 10000000 species.GazaAli

Because these are all factual observations with strong evidence to support them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmac2fs5HQ

This is a good discussion on the existence of god. She says the existence of god cannot be proven, and so doesn't need to be disproven.

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why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

mattbbpl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmU5fpVkUQs

Excuse the lack of linking, Glitchspot is being a bother again.

Anyway this video is worth watching, explains why Atheism doesn't need justification.

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why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Yeah, but finding either proof or disproof of something that is outside the laws of our perceived universe is an exercise in futility either way.AnnoyedDragon

Which is irrelevant, they want us to convert to their way of thinking; so it is up to them to convince us to do so.

It is not our problem if they are unable to prove their claim.

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why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I don't think the absence of certain facts in the Bible is, in itself, a reason for disbelief. If the Bible tried to explain all the science of our universe and our place within it it would be dozens of volumes in size, read like a series of textbooks that no one would fully understand, and still omit facts that people would call out.

mattbbpl

I wasn't referring to any type of evangelical argument. Everyone can believe what they want. I was just stating that the belief in God is not as ridiculous as a lot of atheists like to claim. mattbbpl

There is about as much evidence for a God as there is for Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny, many of the arguments made for the possibility of a God are equally applicable for any other mythological characters you wish to substitute it for. This is part of why the flying spaghetti monster was created, in most cases an argument for a God could also be used for FSM.

The reason so much emphasis has been put on the idea of a God is because of people's emotional attachment to this particular idea, they are comforted by the idea and fight to maintain that comfort.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I wasn't referring to any type of evangelical argument. Everyone can believe what they want. I was just stating that the belief in God is not as ridiculous as a lot of atheists like to claim. AnnoyedDragon

There is about as much evidence for a God as there is for Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny, many of the arguments made for the possibility of a God are equally applicable for any other mythological characters you wish to substitute it for. This is part of why the flying spaghetti monster was created, in most cases an argument for a God could also be used for FSM.

The reason so much emphasis has been put on the idea of a God is because of people's emotional attachment to this particular idea, they are comforted by the idea and fight to maintain that comfort.

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why aren't dinosaurs explained in the bible?

theone86

According to SOME believers. In the movie Jesus Camp there was one scene where the mom, who was homeschooling her kid, put in a video explaining how there never were any dinosaurs and how people who, "discovered," these skeletons were really just being imaginative and were assembling the bones in a random manner.

Even looking at the most simple form of life capable of reproduction, it's extremely complex to just materialize out of raw materials unaided. Things like that keep me thinking.mattbbpl

Just materialize?

I recommend you go to YouTube and watch the "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series, it tackles numerous creationist misconceptions and explains science in an accessible manner.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Even looking at the most simple form of life capable of reproduction, it's extremely complex to just materialize out of raw materials unaided. Things like that keep me thinking.AnnoyedDragon

Just materialize?

I recommend you go to YouTube and watch the "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series, it tackles numerous creationist misconceptions and explains science in an accessible manner.

I am not a creationist. I believe in evolution, albeit a guided form. mattbbpl

Evolution explains the diversity of life without the need of a guiding hand, there is no reason to tack God on the side of a theory that explains why supernatural forces are not needed.

It would be like throwing in a rain God after scientifically explaining how the weather cycles work.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I am not a creationist. I believe in evolution, albeit a guided form. AnnoyedDragon

Evolution explains the diversity of life without the need of a guiding hand, there is no reason to tack God on the side of a theory that explains why supernatural forces are not needed.

It would be like throwing in a rain God after scientifically explaining how the weather cycles work.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I am not a creationist. I believe in evolution, albeit a guided form. mattbbpl

Evolution explains the diversity of life without the need of a guiding hand, there is no reason to tack God on the side of a theory that explains why supernatural forces are not needed.

It would be like throwing in a rain God after scientifically explaining how the weather cycles work.

Not at all. Some, such as myself, see the guiding hand as necessary to create life in the beginning or to form it into a complex conciousness that human's possess. Evolutions merely explains the means.mattbbpl

Are you sure you don't want to check out that video series?

No, evolution does not need a guiding hand, evolution is what explains the diversity of life without a guiding hand. There isn't anything within evolutionary theory that needs magic/God to step in and make it happen, they are all scientifically explainable processes.

Throwing God in is just a means by theists to maintain their beliefs as we fill in the gaps of our knowledge. It is belief by convenience, rationalizing God into areas he is not needed in an effort to find justifications for believing something which should be a matter of faith.

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Evolution explains the diversity of life without the need of a guiding hand, there is no reason to tack God on the side of a theory that explains why supernatural forces are not needed.

It would be like throwing in a rain God after scientifically explaining how the weather cycles work.

EMOEVOLUTION

I do lke discussing such matters with atheists (and agnostics in particular) as they bring difference viewpoints to ponder. Its all in good thought-provoking fun as we attempt to decipher the universe and how we fit within it.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Not at all. Some, such as myself, see the guiding hand as necessary to create life in the beginning or to form it into a complex conciousness that human's possess. Evolutions merely explains the means.AnnoyedDragon

Are you sure you don't want to check out that video series?

No, evolution does not need a guiding hand, evolution is what explains the diversity of life without a guiding hand. There isn't anything within evolutionary theory that needs magic/God to step in and make it happen, they are all scientifically explainable processes.

Throwing God in is just a means by theists to maintain their beliefs as we fill in the gaps of our knowledge. It is belief by convenience, rationalizing God into areas he is not needed in an effort to find justifications for believing something which should be a matter of faith.

I just want to say everyone here should watch Cosmos series of Carl Sagan. I bet you can watch it on google video or something.Or read the book.joao_22990

I disagree. As stated, I really don't see the leap of faith in the origins of life, for one, or the complexity of the human anatomy/psyche. I think we've exhausted this thread of logic, though. We've both explained our concepts and each of us seems to understand the other with nothing more of any real substance to offer.mattbbpl

At the end of the day you will believe what you feel enables you to believe, just as long as you don't expect others to accommodate that belief.

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[QUOTE="deadevil666"]

Without the bad, we would not appreciate the good. "God" just allows us to go through this life with full freedom in order to gain as much from it as possible, the bad in the world purely on us, just like the good.

SpartanNapoleon

God could have made pain and unhappiness without being so unfair.

The amount of physical suffering that the human body is capable of through natural diseases is absolutely cruel for anyone to have "designed". Whoever designed it is the most cruel monster in the history of the universe.

God may or may not exist but the christian god almost certainly does not exist or any lovable god for that matter.

However I will not date a girl I find ugly no matter how good a person she maybe cuz I am simply not attracted. There is nothing I can do about that. And yes generally in the case of girls I will discriminate on beauty and will be more interested in being friends with good looking women but that doesnt mean that I diss the ugly ones. I will never refuse to be friends with someone of either sex just because they are ugly.

I can treat unattractive girls very nicely all I want but still I cant give them one thing they want "love". I cant treat them the same way I would treat a beautiful women, I wont be opening doors for them it just wont happen something which is in my genes designed by your god apparantly. If an ugly girl wants to be deeply loved by a handsome man, how exactly would she fullfil that? Why should an ugly girl not desire to be treated like a princecess?

And why did god make some inferior and some better? Why did god leave the inferior at the mercy of the superior when he knew very well how badly some people are going to treat others?

As I said the whole world can be as polite to ugly or disabbled people as it gets but no one can ever fill the huge gap of being a beautiful or fully funtioning person for an ugly or disabled person....

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I disagree. As stated, I really don't see the leap of faith in the origins of life, for one, or the complexity of the human anatomy/psyche. I think we've exhausted this thread of logic, though. We've both explained our concepts and each of us seems to understand the other with nothing more of any real substance to offer.AnnoyedDragon

At the end of the day you will believe what you feel enables you to believe, just as long as you don't expect others to accommodate that belief.

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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Once again, you can't discredit one theory (of a divine being) without having any basis on which to discredit it. In terms of physics, you have nothing to stand on when it comes to arguing about the origin of the universe, because physics cannot explain it any better than the Pope telling you God did it. Hence why this is such a stupid argument, and the people arguing against religion are too. When there is no proof of anything, all you've got is belief, or rather, your belief vs my belief.SpartanNapoleon

I dont have any "belief" about the origin of the universe. Secondly arguing against religion is not stupid cuz religion causes alot of harm in the world....visible human suffering in the name of an invisible god whose existence is extremely doubtful is as bad as it gets...

What does education has to do with religion? Infact religion is harmful to education like the religious groups trying to ban teaching of evolution in schools. How about religious groups banning stem cell research?

lol what moral laws? Like homosexuals should be stoned right?:lol: Dont even get me started on the Islamic sharia law...

There is none bigger factor in religious wars than "in the name of god!!". Look at how the muslim extremists are threatening the freedom of virtually the whole world? The amnesty between israel and the middle east is almost exclusively based on religious differences. Talk about shai sunni civil wars in iraq? In my country as well(pakistan) there have been several deaths every year in secratarian conflicts based entirely on religion.

How about the indo-pak massacre of millions of hindus and muslims in 1947?

I don't think I was asking for any accomodations....mattbbpl

It wasn't an accusation, it was a comment on your belief being fine as long as it doesn't change to what I said.

People can believe in whatever they want as long as they don't cause harm, but when they start trying to force that belief on others or expect others to accommodate that belief; then it is open season for criticism.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I don't think I was asking for any accomodations....AnnoyedDragon

It wasn't an accusation, it was a comment on your belief being fine as long as it doesn't change to what I said.

People can believe in whatever they want as long as they don't cause harm, but when they start trying to force that belief on others or expect others to accommodate that belief; then it is open season for criticism.

i belive that there is a CREATOR out there. i mean just think about it, the universe is just so perfectly made that theres needs to be a creator. Revolution316

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

Speaking on the subject generally, people argue about the existence of a God but tend not to elaborate on which God. I assume this is a secondary issue they would address if they ever actually somehow proved a God.

It's a common creationist mistake, they spend so much time trying to argue for the existence of a God that they forget their original goal, to prove the existence of "their" God.

A few videos on that topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6arhd4Kq1cI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VTh4FA_gE

[QUOTE="SpartanNapoleon"][QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Once again, you can't discredit one theory (of a divine being) without having any basis on which to discredit it. In terms of physics, you have nothing to stand on when it comes to arguing about the origin of the universe, because physics cannot explain it any better than the Pope telling you God did it. Hence why this is such a stupid argument, and the people arguing against religion are too. When there is no proof of anything, all you've got is belief, or rather, your belief vs my belief.Gambler_3

I dont have any "belief" about the origin of the universe. Secondly arguing against religion is not stupid cuz religion causes alot of harm in the world....visible human suffering in the name of an invisible god whose existence is extremely doubtful is as bad as it gets...

What does education has to do with religion? Infact religion is harmful to education like the religious groups trying to ban teaching of evolution in schools. How about religious groups banning stem cell research?

lol what moral laws? Like homosexuals should be stoned right?:lol: Dont even get me started on the Islamic sharia law...

There is none bigger factor in religious wars than "in the name of god!!". Look at how the muslim extremists are threatening the freedom of virtually the whole world? The amnesty between israel and the middle east is almost exclusively based on religious differences. Talk about shai sunni civil wars in iraq? In my country as well(pakistan) there have been several deaths every year in secratarian conflicts based entirely on religion.

How about the indo-pak massacre of millions of hindus and muslims in 1947?

We are talking about Christanity not Muslim. Muslim does not have the same beliefs that we have at ALL.

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i belive that there is a CREATOR out there. i mean just think about it, the universe is just so perfectly made that theres needs to be a creator. Zensword

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?