So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

We are talking about Christanity not Muslim. Muslim does not have the same beliefs that we have at ALL.

oops ment to say this not good with the quoting...

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[QUOTE="Revolution316"]

i belive that there is a CREATOR out there. i mean just think about it, the universe is just so perfectly made that theres needs to be a creator. Assassin1349

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

Speaking on the subject generally, people argue about the existence of a God but tend not to elaborate on which God. I assume this is a secondary issue they would address if they ever actually somehow proved a God.

It's a common creationist mistake, they spend so much time trying to argue for the existence of a God that they forget their original goal, to prove the existence of "their" God.

A few videos on that topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6arhd4Kq1cI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95VTh4FA_gE

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[QUOTE="Revolution316"]

i belive that there is a CREATOR out there. i mean just think about it, the universe is just so perfectly made that theres needs to be a creator. Assassin1349

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

I think Revolution316 is another example of someone who needs to watch the "why do we laugh at creationists" YouTube series.

Does it make much of a difference? For one, Judaism, Christianity, and (I believe) Islam literally believe in the same God. I'm not familiar with all of the World's religions, but I would think the deities in most would share a lot of the same traits.mattbbpl

You're not thinking at the level of these people, they want to prove "their" God, even if it is just their version of the same God. Proving their God is the real one is their primary goal, but because the existence of a God itself is in question they have to push it to secondary.

Religion is only interested in furthering their dominance, they wouldn't want to prove a God if it's the God of a competitors religion.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Does it make much of a difference? For one, Judaism, Christianity, and (I believe) Islam literally believe in the same God. I'm not familiar with all of the World's religions, but I would think the deities in most would share a lot of the same traits.AnnoyedDragon

You're not thinking at the level of these people, they want to prove "their" God, even if it is just their version of the same God. Proving their God is the real one is their primary goal, but because the existence of a God itself is in question they have to push it to secondary.

Religion is only interested in furthering their dominance, they wouldn't want to prove a God if it's the God of a competitors religion.

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

thedootmaster

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

AnnoyedDragon

I think Revolution316 is another example of someone who needs to watch the "why do we laugh at creationists" YouTube series.

Yes some stupid videos are going to change our minds.... Why would you laugh. what is there to laugh about? we are too narrow minded? its too illogical? well I think God did not want it to be a complicated process. He wanted it not too complicated for people so that little kids could understand Christanity people with not so intelligent brains and so on.thedootmaster

Those 'stupid videos' address creationist arguments with factual evidence, I cannot force you to watch them; but they are there if you want to see creationist claims put to the test.

Of course if you are a creationist you would want to stay as far away from them as possible.

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"]Disease, famine, murder, natural disasters, in other words it's population control, it's all part of the "perfect" plan as God intended to kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason at all. Haha, yeah right. Assassin1349

[QUOTE="Assassin349"]Disease, famine, murder, natural disasters, in other words it's population control, it's all part of the "perfect" plan as God intended to kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason at all. Haha, yeah right. thedootmaster

IMO, it's better to believe that the Big Bang created the univers than a God of monotheism (Christianity, Judaism and Islam).

If there's a Creator, he is either a sadist or cannot even fix his "product". At least we human being can fix our products if we find them dont work properly or cause harms to other people. A creator who doesnt care about his bad product so why should we worship him ? He's far, far worse than us. Christianity and Islam teach that there's an all loving God but where is he? Either he doesnt exist at all, or he doesnt give a **** about human being's happiness. So that means the belief about a God who is all powerful and all loving is simply false.

I'd rather not take sides. :) Still, there is something inside us that tells us there is something out there. I'm not saying this is true for everybody, but if you look at our history almost every civilization had a religion or some belief that something greater is out there. It is in our genes. I have studied genetics at my university for many years and now I have a job based off of genetics. In us there is a gene that says that we want something greater to exist to ensure our life after death.

I'm not saying I believe in God or gods, but many do because they think they need it in their lives. Whether we actually do or not is another question.

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[QUOTE="thedootmaster"] The Earth is perfectly close to or far away from the sun any closer we would burn any farther away we would freeze. I am sure that happened by a big explosion right! I mean come on... atheists there is a God thedootmaster

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="Assassin349"]Disease, famine, murder, natural disasters, in other words it's population control, it's all part of the "perfect" plan as God intended to kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason at all. Haha, yeah right. Zensword

IMO, it's better to believe that the Big Bang created the univers than a God of monotheism (Christianity, Judaism and Islam).

If there's a Creator, he is either a sadist or cannot even fix his "product". At least we human being can fix our products if we find them dont work properly or cause harms to other people. A creator who doesnt care about his bad product so why should we worship him ? He's far, far worse than us. Christianity and Islam teach that there's an all loving God but where is he? Either he doesnt exist at all, or he doesnt give a **** about human being's happiness. So that means the belief about a God who is all powerful and all loving is simply false.

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="Assassin349"]Disease, famine, murder, natural disasters, in other words it's population control, it's all part of the "perfect" plan as God intended to kill a bunch of innocent people for no reason at all. Haha, yeah right. Zensword

IMO, it's better to believe that the Big Bang created the univers than a God of monotheism (Christianity, Judaism and Islam).

If there's a Creator, he is either a sadist or cannot even fix his "product". At least we human being can fix our products if we find them dont work properly or cause harms to other people. A creator who doesnt care about his bad product so why should we worship him ? He's far, far worse than us. Christianity and Islam teach that there's an all loving God but where is he? Either he doesnt exist at all, or he doesnt give a **** about human being's happiness. So that means the belief about a God who is all powerful and all loving is simply false.

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="Assassin1349"]We would freeze assuming we were forced into such conditions in our current forms. However, if the initial condition was that we were closer to the Sun or farther away, then life would have adapted differently to the planet's characteristics. I mean, I'm pretty sure somewhere out there in Space we have many other planets with life on them and I bet the charastaristics of life on those planets are quite different from the ones here on Earth.

Brainkiller05

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Does it make much of a difference? For one, Judaism, Christianity, and (I believe) Islam literally believe in the same God. I'm not familiar with all of the World's religions, but I would think the deities in most would share a lot of the same traits.AnnoyedDragon

You're not thinking at the level of these people, they want to prove "their" God, even if it is just their version of the same God. Proving their God is the real one is their primary goal, but because the existence of a God itself is in question they have to push it to secondary.

Religion is only interested in furthering their dominance, they wouldn't want to prove a God if it's the God of a competitors religion.

The Catholics believe that God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam is the samebut Jews, Protestants and Muslims disagree. IMO, generally Catholics tend to be less extreme than Muslims and Protestants. When I was Catholic, I argued with some Muslims that "our" God is the only true God, "theirs" is false. In retrospect, it's really stupid. It's like one person trying to prove that his version of santa Clause is true, and the other guys trying to prove their versions of Santa Clause! While it seems funny, but actually it's not. We all know the theists (Christians, Muslims) have killed each other just because they try to "prove" their "God".

oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??gubrushadow

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Does it make much of a difference? For one, Judaism, Christianity, and (I believe) Islam literally believe in the same God. I'm not familiar with all of the World's religions, but I would think the deities in most would share a lot of the same traits.mattbbpl

You're not thinking at the level of these people, they want to prove "their" God, even if it is just their version of the same God. Proving their God is the real one is their primary goal, but because the existence of a God itself is in question they have to push it to secondary.

Religion is only interested in furthering their dominance, they wouldn't want to prove a God if it's the God of a competitors religion.

The Catholics believe that God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam is the samebut Jews, Protestants and Muslims disagree. IMO, generally Catholics tend to be less extreme than Muslims and Protestants. When I was Catholic, I argued with some Muslims that "our" God is the only true God, "theirs" is false. In retrospect, it's really stupid. It's like one person trying to prove that his version of santa Clause is true, and the other guys trying to prove their versions of Santa Clause! While it seems funny, but actually it's not. We all know the theists (Christians, Muslims) have killed each other just because they try to "prove" their "God".

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"][QUOTE="thedootmaster"] Well there is supposed to be or used to be water on Mars but i don't see people walking on Mars that can withstand those harsh living conditions.thedootmaster

Except in this case, he's right.

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[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] you don't know what you're talking about, stop pretending you do, you're only fooling yourself.

deadevil666

Except in this case, he's right.

oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??gubrushadow

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[QUOTE="thedootmaster"] Good argument point... That is just like saying "your mom"!... to somebody

thedootmaster

Except in this case, he's right.

Quit while you're ahead.

[quote="gubrushadow"]oh yeah thats rite , this giant universe , the humans , everything , oh yeah it all came by itself , no one created them ! come on people the evidence is one thing , everything is an evidence , just because we are so intelligenty we reached the moon ?? you want a scientific evidence , then can anybody explain were did this universe come from ?? if your answer is the BIG BANG or the atoms , well from were did they come from ??Zensword

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[QUOTE="thedootmaster"] The Earth is perfectly close to or far away from the sun any closer we would burn any farther away we would freeze. I am sure that happened by a big explosion right! I mean come on... atheists there is a God thedootmaster

IMO, it's better to believe that the Big Bang created the univers than a God of monotheism (Christianity, Judaism and Islam).

If there's a Creator, he is either a sadist or cannot even fix his "product". At least we human being can fix our products if we find them dont work properly or cause harms to other people. A creator who doesnt care about his bad product so why should we worship him ? He's far, far worse than us. Christianity and Islam teach that there's an all loving God but where is he? Either he doesnt exist at all, or he doesnt give a **** about human being's happiness. So that means the belief about a God who is all powerful and all loving is simply false.

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

IMO, it's better to believe that the Big Bang created the univers than a God of monotheism (Christianity, Judaism and Islam).

If there's a Creator, he is either a sadist or cannot even fix his "product". At least we human being can fix our products if we find them dont work properly or cause harms to other people. A creator who doesnt care about his bad product so why should we worship him ? He's far, far worse than us. Christianity and Islam teach that there's an all loving God but where is he? Either he doesnt exist at all, or he doesnt give a **** about human being's happiness. So that means the belief about a God who is all powerful and all loving is simply false.

thedootmaster

Keep stretching.

Just to play devil's advocate here for a minute with the fluing spaghettis monster and god, there is a bit of a difference. Whereas both are (for simplicity's sake I'll assume the non-existence of god here) wild machinations, one has a purpose while the other does not. Probably the best case I have ever heard for the possibility of a god came from St Thomas Aquinas, and while I don't think he came anywhere near proving the existence of a god I do think he raised legitimate questions about a theory of existence that lacked a god. For one, he raised questions about how, he made the argument that in all natural observations there is a primary cause. How could the big bang create our universe? There would have to be matter for it to occur, right? So where did the matter come from? Like I said, where he concluded that god must be the primary cause I personally tend to think that the primary cause is beyond our present understanding and that it doesn't necessari;y mean there is a god, but I still think it shows that the idea of god is not exactly an FSM, that there is some lapse of understanding that this idea of a god attempts to rectify.

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="thedootmaster"]Are you saying this world should be perfect? No problems no tears no worries well first of all that world is called heaven and if you repent of your sins and belief Jesus died on the cross for your sins then you can go to heaven after you die! Second of all the reason the world or you call it "product" has problems is because of Satan. I you do not know this Satan was the most powerful angel ever he was less powerful than God of course. So he wanted more power but not for the right reasons and got cast out of heaven with some other angels which or now called demons yes demons not ghosts. And the day Jesus come to get us that is the day he will crush Satan's head and Satan will be in hell forever. So atheists please read the Bible and do not blame all your problems on God also i would recommend the book In his steps. Also have you not heard of the amazing stories where God has done miraculous thing like Cory Tin Boon or other Christian books?deadevil666

Keep stretching.

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

If there's a Creator, he is either a sadist or cannot even fix his "product". At least we human being can fix our products if we find them dont work properly or cause harms to other people. A creator who doesnt care about his bad product so why should we worship him ? He's far, far worse than us. Christianity and Islam teach that there's an all loving God but where is he? Either he doesnt exist at all, or he doesnt give a **** about human being's happiness. So that means the belief about a God who is all powerful and all loving is simply false. thedootmaster

Are you saying this world should be perfect? No problems no tears no worries well first of all that world is called heaven and if you repent of your sins and belief Jesus died on the cross for your sins then you can go to heaven after you die! Second of all the reason the world or you call it "product" has problems is because of Satan. I you do not know this Satan was the most powerful angel ever he was less powerful than God of course. So he wanted more power but not for the right reasons and got cast out of heaven with some other angels which or now called demons yes demons not ghosts. And the day Jesus come to get us that is the day he will crush Satan's head and Satan will be in hell forever. So atheists please read the Bible and do not blame all your problems on God also i would recommend the book In his steps. Also have you not heard of the amazing stories where God has done miraculous thing like Cory Tin Boon or other Christian books?

no one has anything to say about above quote? Where did God come from now that is a good question the Bible clearly says God has no beginning or end and just thinking about that stretches your mind.

I read that post but I didnt want to reply immediately.

1. Why doesnt God make this world heaven ? He's either stupid, powerless or sadist.

2. Satan causes all this troubles ? Then why doesnt God take care of him ? Again, he's either powerless or sadist.

3. Jesus is still nowhere to be found and we still suffers. And more importantly, why believe Jesus ? He's just a mere human as us.

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[QUOTE="thedootmaster"]no one has anything to say about above quote? Where did God come from now that is a good question the Bible clearly says God has no beginning or end and just thinking about that stretches your mind.thedootmaster

Keep stretching.

You prepubescents are so much better.

I have as much reason to believe in god as unicorns. There is just no evidence for either...

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

thedootmaster

I just want to say everyone here should watch Cosmos series of Carl Sagan. I bet you can watch it on google video or something.Or read the book.joao_22990

The Earth is perfectly close to or far away from the sun any closer we would burn any farther away we would freeze. I am sure that happened by a big explosion right! I mean come on... atheists there is a Godthedootmaster

You keep making steriotypical and debunked long ago creationist arguments, all of which were addressed in those videos I recommended.

I don't need a rationale to not believe in fairy tales.

We are talking about Christanity not Muslim. Muslim does not have the same beliefs that we have at ALL.

oops ment to say this not good with the quoting...

thedootmaster

But nevertheless the stoning of homosexuals, banning on evolution teaching and stem cell research is all a christian thing...

There have also been many wars started by religiously motivated christians...

[QUOTE="thedootmaster"]

We are talking about Christanity not Muslim. Muslim does not have the same beliefs that we have at ALL.

oops ment to say this not good with the quoting...

Gambler_3

But nevertheless the stoning of homosexuals, banning on evolution teaching and stem cell research is all a christian thing...

There have also been many wars started by religiously motivated christians...

[QUOTE="ordinarydot"][QUOTE="TK-Focus"]

How do you know Adam and Eve were the first people? Science says that we were probably blue-green algaes or something that evolved into humans. I find it hard to believe that algae have names. How do you the Adam and Eve story is real? Looks like a way to diminish women and give men the power.

Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ordinarydot"] Like i already wrote, let's say Adam and Eve not the first, (but I believe that's not the case), just trackback, and you will see that nothing's change, there will always be there first one right? but how did they born? Now, algae? I haven't hear about any scientist mentioning algae "evolved" into human... Any link? But seriously, let's get it straight. Human =/= animal =/= plants. What makes us differ? It's called our mind, which we use to discuss al these thing. So you wanna say that "the so-called-evolution" can give some beings a mind? Think about it.ordinarydot

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] I don't think the absence of certain facts in the Bible is, in itself, a reason for disbelief. If the Bible tried to explain all the science of our universe and our place within it it would be dozens of volumes in size, read like a series of textbooks that no one would fully understand, and still omit facts that people would call out.

mattbbpl

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] You'd think they would be mentioned in genesis because many different clades are, and as well with the story of the ark. iwilson1296

[QUOTE="Assassin1349"][QUOTE="Zensword"]

"The perfectly made universe" that has earthquakes, hurricanes/typhoons/volcanoes, tsunamis... that kill countless number of his creatures ?

thedootmaster

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] You'd think they would be mentioned in genesis because many different clades are, and as well with the story of the ark. iwilson1296

Even if you can't find evidence of god, wouldnt you rather be safe and just believe in him in case he exists?

Even if you can't find evidence of god, wouldnt you rather be safe and just believe in him in case he exists?

Gnomefan

then we run into the problem of which one.

Even if you can't find evidence of god, wouldnt you rather be safe and just believe in him in case he exists?

Gnomefan

First of all: how do you find the right religion? There's about a few hundred of them out there.

And even if you do get the "right" religion, it would still be a fruitless exercise. To my knowledge, religions that make a big deal out of atheism (mostly Abrahamic faiths) generally require genuine conviction and belief. If I follow the Bible to the letter but I don't actually think God exists I would still go to hell. So there's really no point in confining oneself to the restrictions of a religious theology just for the sake of "security" - because it doesn't work.

Even if you can't find evidence of god, wouldnt you rather be safe and just believe in him in case he exists?

Gnomefan

No. Any God that would send you to hell for not believing in him without proof is not a God I want to spend eternity with. I'd rather go to hell. If God is really like that, then Satan sounds like a nicer guy.

A big issue I have with Christianity (and plenty of other religions, not exclusively Christianity) is that we were essentially created by God, so that we can be tested to determin whether we will spend eternity in a lake of fire, or in heaven. I know some people might counter by saying that we were created so that we can allwork towardsfulfilling our individual purpose and continue to grow into our maximum potential as a being. But if we were not created in the first place, what would be the point of all this? He created us, then gave us the freedom to make wrong decision, but if we did this without following God's belief system, we would end up in Hell.

Also, followers of various forms of Christianity say that God's presence fills the room whenever two or more people gather to worship him. But, this is because everyone wants to experience this higher form of life. But in all my years ofbelonging to a christian family. I can get the exact same feeling of completeness from playing hanging out with friends, going to a non-christain concert, or even just chilling in my room. At a moments notice I could block everything out and the feeling would just die. Some might argue that you are not accepting God's presence in, but really? You (not you personally) don't think that God's "overwhelming" presence could break through my barrier. And how come I gain the same feeling from just chilling with my non-religious friends, and sometimes doing very non-christain things. I know that this presence and "high" we feel at church comes from our own human spirit and the fellowship that comes from it. It's just that the way the brain works, we are able to create this presence in ourselves from doing anything that feels perfect,complete,and comforts us.