So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

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#951 Zensword
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[QUOTE="Gnomefan"]

Even if you can't find evidence of god, wouldnt you rather be safe and just believe in him in case he exists?

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No. Any God that would send you to hell for not believing in him without proof is not a God I want to spend eternity with. I'd rather go to hell. If God is really like that, then Satan sounds like a nicer guy.

^^^ That's one of the biggest flaws in the concept of God in Christianity/Islam and one of the reasons I rejected Christian faith.

Really, just because I dont believe him, I go to hell after I die no matter how good I am ?

A certain Catholic Bishop said that Confucian, Lao tzu ... (the sages in ancient China) went to hell because they didnt believe in God!

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#952 DBIZMO
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God didn't create people. People created God. Simple as that.
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#953 ordinarydot
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[QUOTE="fiscope"][QUOTE="ordinarydot"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] How do you know that the mind isn't merely a selective evolutionary trait? I don't want an appeal to your own reason. You haven't reallly established yourself as a biologist. I want cold, hard facts.

How do you know that the mind isn't merely a selective evolutionary trait? How do you know that the mind is a selective evolutionary trait? ... I'm not a biologist, i'm a programmer, i use logic more than you think, but with or without logic i still believe on my beliefs. I'm moslem btw. Here's another catch. Where are cars come from? Who created them? Human, right? Can cars be just there without created by human? Have you ever seen it with your own eyes? Well, the truth is, God can created even cars or everything for that matter, but that's not my point. I'm talking about the correlation of the creation and creator. Cars have human as the creator, so who's human creator? We need a creator right?

The same argument can be made for god. He needs a creator as well.

nope. because He is God. And i will add something. It's human nature to seek purpose of this life. Everyone will undergo it. Soon when you already reach all your dream and do whatever you want in this world, you'll fill empty. Because humans created with purpose and without struggle for that purpose your soul will missing something that can make it calm. and from my religion, it's to pray to Allah. I won't persuade people to come into Islam desperately. I can only tell you what i can tell. Even in it's already stated in Koran that even our prophet can only give message to other, he cannot make all people come to Islam all he want. *** Did ye then think that We had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for account)?" (Al-Muminoon: 115)
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#954 smc91352
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Gnomefan"]

Even if you can't find evidence of god, wouldnt you rather be safe and just believe in him in case he exists?

Zensword

No. Any God that would send you to hell for not believing in him without proof is not a God I want to spend eternity with. I'd rather go to hell. If God is really like that, then Satan sounds like a nicer guy.

^^^ That's one of the biggest flaws in the concept of God in Christianity/Islam and one of the reasons I rejected Christian faith.

Really, just because I dont believe him, I go to hell after I die no matter how good I am ?

A certain Catholic Bishop said that Confucian, Lao tzu ... (the sages in ancient China) went to hell because they didnt believe in God!

ToGnomefan: I don't believe in the Catholic god 'cause I have no proof of his existence. I honestly don't even know how I can make myself believe in a god; though I do sometimes.

ToZensword: If you don't wanna believe it that doesn't mean its not true. I hope that we don't go to hell or anything 'cause we aren't rejecting any evidence of his being and we're not to blame for a lack of belief.

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#955 linkthewindow
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Complete lack of evidence. (Agnostic, btw.) [QUOTE="ordinarydot"] Like i already wrote, let's say Adam and Eve not the first, (but I believe that's not the case), just trackback, and you will see that nothing's change, there will always be there first one right? but how did they born? Now, algae? I haven't hear about any scientist mentioning algae "evolved" into human... Any link? But seriously, let's get it straight. Human =/= animal =/= plants. What makes us differ? It's called our mind, which we use to discuss al these thing. So you wanna say that "the so-called-evolution" can give some beings a mind? Think about it.

Algae didn't evolve into a human, humans and algae share a common ancestor. You aren't descended from your cousin, but you do share a common ancestor. It's the same thing. Also, genetically, there's a remarkable amount of similarity between humans and other (known) lifeforms. Humans, plants and algae are all eukaryotes, sharing the same basic cellstructure, genetic code (DNA,) and way of turning sugars into energy (to name a few.) Science hasn't yet explained the origin of life, and may never will. But that's no evidence for god.
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[QUOTE="ordinarydot"] Here's another catch. Where are cars come from? Who created them? Human, right? Can cars be just there without created by human? Have you ever seen it with your own eyes? Well, the truth is, God can created even cars or everything for that matter, but that's not my point. I'm talking about the correlation of the creation and creator. Cars have human as the creator, so who's human creator? We need a creator right? Vandalvideo
And why can't cars be created through acts of quantum indeterminancy? How do you know that in some far flung corner of the universe there wasn't a bunch of chaotic acts which could have brought about the sophistication required to make a car? Seems mighty presumptuous to me to say there it can't be done by natural processes.

I think the basic flaw of that line of thought (the person's you quoted) is the assumption that the universe was brought into existence the same way we as humans bring certain things into existence. Our relation of maker-product with goods we produce does not necessarily apply to the universe (where the universe is the product that requires a maker).

Just because both a car and the universe are complex doesnt mean they are comparable. Complexity is too vague a criterion (I would characterise it as a very generic criterion) to be used. And actually this criterion has been overused and abused. :P

So I wouldnt bother entertaining the probability of a car being created without a maker somewhere in the universe in order to refute the analogy.

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#957 linkthewindow
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ordinarydot"] Here's another catch. Where are cars come from? Who created them? Human, right? Can cars be just there without created by human? Have you ever seen it with your own eyes? Well, the truth is, God can created even cars or everything for that matter, but that's not my point. I'm talking about the correlation of the creation and creator. Cars have human as the creator, so who's human creator? We need a creator right? Teenaged

And why can't cars be created through acts of quantum indeterminancy? How do you know that in some far flung corner of the universe there wasn't a bunch of chaotic acts which could have brought about the sophistication required to make a car? Seems mighty presumptuous to me to say there it can't be done by natural processes.

I think the basic flaw of that line of thought (the person's you quoted) is the assumption that the universe was brought into existence the same way we as humans bring certain things into existence. Our relation of maker-product with goods we produce does not necessarily apply to the universe (where the universe is the product that requires a maker).

Just because both a car and the universe are complex doesnt mean they are comparable. Complexity is too vague a criterion (I would characterise it as a very generic criterion) to be used. And actually this criterion has been overused and abused. :P

Aye, false analogy
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