So Atheists, What's Your Rationale In Your Belief Of No God?

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#301 deadevil666
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] you dont , i get everything i pray for :Pgubrushadow
Yes, if you pray for things that are likely to happen either way, "god" might fulfill them!

no i pray for things your simple head wont understand it cuz you don't believe in spiritual comments lol

Buddy, YOU cannot call anyone simple minded. I pray to the God I half believe in for you.

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#302 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] no i pray for things your simple head wont understand it cuz you don't believe in spiritual comments lol

So you pray for spiritual betterment? What a shame! I was hoping you'd pray for things that are, you know, empirically provable.
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#303 deactivated-5a79221380856
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Thats what I don't get, I dont understand why an atheist cares about there life, also a christian can't do evil things with the intent of being forgiven, at least that is what I was tought. I hope Im being inquisitive as intended and not offensive.

kate_jones

An atheist should care about life, because life is all there is. As for Christianity, the fact that Jesus died to repay back the sins done by mankind shows how corrupt Christianity is, in my opinion. If someone is guilty of any wrong, let that person pay the punishment.

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#304 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well every one have his own believes and we should all respect each other's believs rite ??

Up to a point, yes. When said beliefs are used as a justification to commit atrocities, that's where my patience ends.

who's commiting atrocitie ?? if you're talking of muslims , there are 71 parts of islam , my part dont do it
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#305 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well every one have his own believes and we should all respect each other's believs rite ??

Up to a point, yes. When said beliefs are used as a justification to commit atrocities, that's where my patience ends.

If that happens on the internet though, it brings teh lolz, am I wrong?
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#306 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] Yes, if you pray for things that are likely to happen either way, "god" might fulfill them!deadevil666

no i pray for things your simple head wont understand it cuz you don't believe in spiritual comments lol

Buddy, YOU cannot call anyone simple minded. I pray to the God I half believe in for you.

thank you , but i dont need it
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#307 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well every one have his own believes and we should all respect each other's believs rite ??

Up to a point, yes. When said beliefs are used as a justification to commit atrocities, that's where my patience ends.

who's commiting atrocitie ?? if you're talking of muslims , there are 71 parts of islam , my part dont do it

No, I'm sure all "71 parts" get along just fine, right? Also, what parts might those be? >:
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="kate_jones"]

yes I would like to hear why you want to happy. I dont understand what the difference between a good life and a bad life is to you. Once your dead your dead. Give me one reason why a dead atheist cares about what they did in there life.

oh_boss

an atheist cares more about what they do in life than a christian. Atheists believe in one life, thus you msut live to its fullest potential. a christian can be evil until t he day they die, and ask for forgiveness on the death bed.

Where do you make this stuff up from? Ridiculous.

I didnt make anything up

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#310 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well every one have his own believes and we should all respect each other's believs rite ??

Up to a point, yes. When said beliefs are used as a justification to commit atrocities, that's where my patience ends.

If that happens on the internet though, it brings teh lolz, am I wrong?

It does, and it gives us internauts something to argue about.
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#311 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] no i pray for things your simple head wont understand it cuz you don't believe in spiritual comments lol

So you pray for spiritual betterment? What a shame! I was hoping you'd pray for things that are, you know, empirically provable.

yes i do , i was just praying for your head to get fixed

Thanks, but I'd rather see you praying for something tangible.
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="kate_jones"]

yes I would like to hear why you want to happy. I dont understand what the difference between a good life and a bad life is to you. Once your dead your dead. Give me one reason why a dead atheist cares about what they did in there life.

kate_jones

an atheist cares more about what they do in life than a christian. Atheists believe in one life, thus you msut live to its fullest potential. a christian can be evil until t he day they die, and ask for forgiveness on the death bed.

Thats what I don't get, I dont understand why an atheist cares about there life, also a christian can't do evil things with the intent of being forgiven, at least that is what I was tought. I hope Im being inquisitive as intended and not offensive.

Atheists care about life because its human nature to care about life. Your dog has no concept of god, but if he thinks youre trying to kill him, hell run away or fight you. as long as youre sincere in your desire for forgiveness wouldnt you be accepted into heaven? Lets say someone as evil as hitler is on his deathbed and now hes afraid of hell...... well you can piece the rest together. typing sucks
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#313 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] an atheist cares more about what they do in life than a christian. Atheists believe in one life, thus you msut live to its fullest potential. a christian can be evil until t he day they die, and ask for forgiveness on the death bed.Free_Marxet

Where do you make this stuff up from? Ridiculous.

I didnt make anything up

So you were serious? O__o
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#314 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] Up to a point, yes. When said beliefs are used as a justification to commit atrocities, that's where my patience ends.

who's commiting atrocitie ?? if you're talking of muslims , there are 71 parts of islam , my part dont do it

No, I'm sure all "71 parts" get along just fine, right? Also, what parts might those be? >:

actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war
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#315 Free_Marxet
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]

[QUOTE="oh_boss"] Where do you make this stuff up from? Ridiculous.oh_boss

I didnt make anything up

So you were serious? O__o

Extremely.
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#316 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] So you pray for spiritual betterment? What a shame! I was hoping you'd pray for things that are, you know, empirically provable.Ed_Cetera
yes i do , i was just praying for your head to get fixed

Thanks, but I'd rather see you praying for something tangible.

oh , then there is nothing in your mind , i knew it :P

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#317 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] I didnt make anything up

Free_Marxet

So you were serious? O__o

Extremely.

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

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#318 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] who's commiting atrocitie ?? if you're talking of muslims , there are 71 parts of islam , my part dont do it

No, I'm sure all "71 parts" get along just fine, right? Also, what parts might those be? >:

actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war

Which part is this? And what are the other seventy sects?
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#319 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] yes i do , i was just praying for your head to get fixedgubrushadow

Thanks, but I'd rather see you praying for something tangible.

oh , then there is nothing in your mind , i knew it :P

So your prayer didn't get answered? >: I was hoping Allah (nsfw) would show me mercy.
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] who's commiting atrocitie ?? if you're talking of muslims , there are 71 parts of islam , my part dont do it

No, I'm sure all "71 parts" get along just fine, right? Also, what parts might those be? >:

actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war

Why do they hate each other?
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="oh_boss"] So you were serious? O__ooh_boss

Extremely.

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

I believe there are stories (either in the Bible, or somehwere else...dunno) of people repenting to God right before their demise so they could maybe get the ticket to Heaven. So that's where that idea came from.

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#322 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] Thanks, but I'd rather see you praying for something tangible. Ed_Cetera

oh , then there is nothing in your mind , i knew it :P

So your prayer didn't get answered? >: I was hoping Allah (nsfw) would show me mercy.

You got trolled by allah bro.
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="oh_boss"] So you were serious? O__ooh_boss

Extremely.

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

One of the tenents of Catholicism is Confession. Confess all of your sins, beg forgiveness and be truly repentant and it will be forgiven according to Catholics.
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#324 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] No, I'm sure all "71 parts" get along just fine, right? Also, what parts might those be? >:

actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war

Which part is this? And what are the other seventy sects?

well mine is shiat , the others are sunnis ( i hate them sooooo much :@ ) zaydi , sufyani... i dont remember evryone you know
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="oh_boss"] So you were serious? O__ooh_boss

Extremely.

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

Please refrain from making arguments like that, theyre extremely weak and convince nobody.
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#326 Free_Marxet
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] Thanks, but I'd rather see you praying for something tangible. Ed_Cetera

oh , then there is nothing in your mind , i knew it :P

So your prayer didn't get answered? >: I was hoping Allah (nsfw) would show me mercy.

nsfw? Not safe for work??
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[QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

oh , then there is nothing in your mind , i knew it :P

oh_boss

So your prayer didn't get answered? >: I was hoping Allah (nsfw) would show me mercy.

You got trolled by allah bro.

:lol:

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#328 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"] You got trolled by allah bro.

I know, he (irc) got me good.
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#329 oh_boss
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"]

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] Extremely.Free_Marxet

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

Please refrain from making arguments like that, theyre extremely weak and convince nobody.

So you're saying that a religious person can do whatever the hell he wants to because he shall be forgiven by God in the end?
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"]

[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] Extremely.MattUD1

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

One of the tenents of Catholicism is Confession. Confess all of your sins, beg forgiveness and be truly repentant and it will be forgiven according to Catholics.

i dont think it work like this , oh so if i went to the pop , and told him im sorry , so everything is done ?? thats too wrong

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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war

Which part is this? And what are the other seventy sects?

well mine is shiat , the others are sunnis ( i hate them sooooo much :@ ) zaydi , sufyani... i dont remember evryone you know

Islam: the religion of peace
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#332 Ed_Cetera
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well mine is shiat

Agreed. Also, I have heard of the ones you mentioned, just never 71 ones.
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="oh_boss"]

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

oh_boss

Please refrain from making arguments like that, theyre extremely weak and convince nobody.

So you're saying that a religious person can do whatever the hell he wants to because he shall be forgiven by God in the end?

basically

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Also, thinker, you are reborn once again I see! Welcome back brother!
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war

Which part is this? And what are the other seventy sects?

well mine is shiat , the others are sunnis ( i hate them sooooo much :@ ) zaydi , sufyani... i dont remember evryone you know

Why do you hate the sunnis?
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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] No, I'm sure all "71 parts" get along just fine, right? Also, what parts might those be? >:

actually , the 71 parts hate each others lol :P but mine is forbidden to kill anybody if he isn't your enemy only in war

Why do they hate each other?

because each one wanna rule the religion , its stupid , its because the prophet said that his daughter's husband will be after him , and so you know how humans are , like to conquer , so everyone wanted to lead the religion afterwards , and so they were separated
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"][QUOTE="oh_boss"]

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

oh_boss

Please refrain from making arguments like that, theyre extremely weak and convince nobody.

So you're saying that a religious person can do whatever the hell he wants to because he shall be forgiven by God in the end?

If that person were truly sorry.

See, that stuff really can't be taken literally. You have to see it for the message it's trying to give us. Yes, we all do bad things in life, but if you're truly sorry for them, then by all means die peacefully.

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[QUOTE="curtdoggLP5"]

Beliefs do not = religion. I believe in justice, respect, friendship etc. Do I need to explain why I want to be happy? This is the only lifetime I get, so I want it to be a good one, not a bad one.

kate_jones

yes I would like to hear why you want to happy. I dont understand what the difference between a good life and a bad life is to you. Once your dead your dead. Give me one reason why a dead atheist cares about what they did in there life.

A dead Athiest doesn't care: Because once we die, we just stop existing (except as a corpse). So when one dies, we don't know anything, feel anything, etc. However, if you mean why an Atheist would care about what they did in your life...then, I have to say, you frighten me. Because if the only reason you do "good" things in life, is because your afraid of what some magical being will do to when you die, you're not all that great of a person, are you? I'm Atheist, and as for why I care about what I do in life...there is quite a few reasons, and the main on is I want the world to be a better place. Since this is the only life and world we have, then why wouldn't I care about what I do? Because I want to live my life in such a way to make it the best place possible for everyone to live, including myself, and any generations that come after me. A lot better reasoning then "I'm afraid of the big man in the sky!"
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[QUOTE="oh_boss"][QUOTE="Free_Marxet"] Please refrain from making arguments like that, theyre extremely weak and convince nobody.Free_Marxet

So you're saying that a religious person can do whatever the hell he wants to because he shall be forgiven by God in the end?

basically

I haven't met any christian like that. And they are supposed to be "judged" not "forgiven".
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#341 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="oh_boss"]

You should know that, in real life, it doesn't wrok like that.

gubrushadow

One of the tenents of Catholicism is Confession. Confess all of your sins, beg forgiveness and be truly repentant and it will be forgiven according to Catholics.

i dont think it work like this , oh so if i went to the pop , and told him im sorry , so everything is done ?? thats too wrong

Just because you say "I'm sorry" to the Pope doesn't mean you are truly sorry for all of your sins. And you don't say it to the Pope... you say it to a Priest (during an actual Confession, not just deathbed repentance) in a Church, where God is supposed to be present.
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#342 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="Ed_Cetera"] Which part is this? And what are the other seventy sects?Rocky32189
well mine is shiat , the others are sunnis ( i hate them sooooo much :@ ) zaydi , sufyani... i dont remember evryone you know

Why do you hate the sunnis?

because they kill us shiats everyday , in iraq for example , the people dying from explosions are most shiats , and sunnis are killing them

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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]

[QUOTE="oh_boss"] So you're saying that a religious person can do whatever the hell he wants to because he shall be forgiven by God in the end?oh_boss

basically

I haven't met any christian like that. And they are supposed to be "judged" not "forgiven".

forgiveness is what jesus preached. ive met a lot. most christians dont know the first thing baout christianity, and just live life the way they want to according to the social rules of their environment
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[QUOTE="Free_Marxet"]

[QUOTE="oh_boss"] So you're saying that a religious person can do whatever the hell he wants to because he shall be forgiven by God in the end?oh_boss

basically

I haven't met any christian like that. And they are supposed to be "judged" not "forgiven".

I've met a few, but not many...they are in the minority, in fact, the ones are believe in a God that forgives are the ones that are the most rational, and, you know, don't deny things like gravity...
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#345 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"]One of the tenents of Catholicism is Confession. Confess all of your sins, beg forgiveness and be truly repentant and it will be forgiven according to Catholics.MattUD1

i dont think it work like this , oh so if i went to the pop , and told him im sorry , so everything is done ?? thats too wrong

Just because you say "I'm sorry" to the Pope doesn't mean you are truly sorry for all of your sins. And you don't say it to the Pope... you say it to a Priest (during an actual Confession, not just deathbed repentance) in a Church, where God is supposed to be present.

then , the real thing is to ask GOD rite away , he can hear me yes , so i ask him , HE would accept or deny , its HIS choice , no reason going to the priest
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#346 ganon92
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[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"] well mine is shiat , the others are sunnis ( i hate them sooooo much :@ ) zaydi , sufyani... i dont remember evryone you knowgubrushadow

Why do you hate the sunnis?

because they kill us shiats everyday , in iraq for example , the people dying from explosions are most shiats , and sunnis are killing them

Do you hate all Sunnis due to the actions of a few then?

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#347 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"] Why do you hate the sunnis?ganon92

because they kill us shiats everyday , in iraq for example , the people dying from explosions are most shiats , and sunnis are killing them

Do you hate all Sunnis due to the actions of a few then?

no , but the reason of hateress is from 1400 years ago story , hateress for them is for their believes , as mental love , no not all of them , only people who hates us (70%)
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#348 MattUD1
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[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="gubrushadow"]

i dont think it work like this , oh so if i went to the pop , and told him im sorry , so everything is done ?? thats too wrong

gubrushadow

Just because you say "I'm sorry" to the Pope doesn't mean you are truly sorry for all of your sins. And you don't say it to the Pope... you say it to a Priest (during an actual Confession, not just deathbed repentance) in a Church, where God is supposed to be present.

then , the real thing is to ask GOD rite away , he can hear me yes , so i ask him , HE would accept or deny , its HIS choice , no reason going to the priest

But the thing with Catholicism is that the average person cannot speak directly to God. Only those that have been specially called by God can speak to God. They become Priests and Nuns. This is different from Protestand Christianity where the average person can speak to God.

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#349 gubrushadow
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did anybody noticed that i quoted every message in this thread lol :P it was fun
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#350 gubrushadow
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[QUOTE="gubrushadow"][QUOTE="MattUD1"] Just because you say "I'm sorry" to the Pope doesn't mean you are truly sorry for all of your sins. And you don't say it to the Pope... you say it to a Priest (during an actual Confession, not just deathbed repentance) in a Church, where God is supposed to be present.MattUD1

then , the real thing is to ask GOD rite away , he can hear me yes , so i ask him , HE would accept or deny , its HIS choice , no reason going to the priest

But the thing with Catholicism is that the average person cannot speak directly to God. Only those that have been specially called by God can speak to God. They become Priests and Nuns. This is different from Protestand Christianity where the average person can speak to God.

i respect that , but you and me know that GOD created all this universe , wouldn't be able to hear us all wenever we speak with him