[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] "everything he plans is to ultimately bring glory unto himself", sounds kind of greedy to me, don't you think?lonewolf604Yes! Thats exactly it, and shows my point. People today are not taught this anymore, buts its biblical, and why many people dont understand the concept of God. When i was first introduced to that idea it was through a camp seminar thing that was about an hour long so i cant explain it in detail...But plain and simple, God has the right to be "greedy." Now mind you its NOT the same kind of greed that humanity thinks of. If you were God, the Almighty, creator of the WHOLE universe and everything in it, wouldnt you want some recognition?? People wonder why God gets angry when they worship idols and false gods...Its because God is watching them saying "Hey! Youre MISSING the point! I AM the one you should be worshipping, not that gold statue, or your vintage classic cars. Those things are going to burn, I want to have a relationship with you, those things just sit there. Come to me." yeah, because even though he's god he still has human feelings.... You are still missing it friend. I didnt say it was a human kind of greed; its not. And yeah god still has "feelings," just as any living being has. He can get angry, but he can also be pleased, and be saddened as well. You think God isnt looking down on the earth, watching the wars, the homosexuality, and killing and isnt saddened? I can picture Him sitting there, going "You're missing the point, guys." Now God doesnt get depressed, or any of that nonsense. God will be just fine, and honestly doesnt need us. But he still reaches out to the people of the earth saying "Hey, i love you and want to have a relationship with you, please come to me." Plain and simple. How many people do you know that dont need you at all, but would still give their life for you, just because? Probably none. Which is why it is amazing that God is even trying to reach out to us. But he is, and he is constantly pursuing us, and constantly loving us.
So, someone from my church died....
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[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] Yeah I know, sometimes I wanna slap some sense into these people, but they take christianity seriously.lonewolf604
Of course they do :| It's their religion.
NO RLY? TC is confusing
well others explained it well already. If you dont understand or already believe theres no god, there no need for me to continue right now. Tjeremiah1988Yeah, but see... this is exactly why I don't. I don't like to force my opinion on other people, but I just find this whole thing a bit ridiculous. It's like people lose all common sense and distinction between reality and fiction when it comes to God. Again, I don't mean to say that MY beliefs are the 'right' ones, but that's what God feels like to me - an imaginary friend that over 1G people believe in.
[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]well others explained it well already. If you dont understand or already believe theres no god, there no need for me to continue right now. Gamer4IifeYeah, but see... this is exactly why I don't. I don't like to force my opinion on other people, but I just find this whole thing a bit ridiculous. It's like people lose all common sense and distinction between reality and fiction when it comes to God. Again, I don't mean to say that MY beliefs are the 'right' ones, but that's what God feels like to me - an imaginary friend that over 1G people believe in. he asked a question, I and others answered what we thought was best to tell him. I and others arent trying to convert him into a Christian or force anything. Give me a break. Im officially done with this thread.
TC you sound a little angrier than usual, your normally laid back and passive in these sort of threads. 123625sorry, its just that this mans death, combined with the fact that valentines reminded me i'm a single loser
[QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"][QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]well others explained it well already. If you dont understand or already believe theres no god, there no need for me to continue right now. Tjeremiah1988Yeah, but see... this is exactly why I don't. I don't like to force my opinion on other people, but I just find this whole thing a bit ridiculous. It's like people lose all common sense and distinction between reality and fiction when it comes to God. Again, I don't mean to say that MY beliefs are the 'right' ones, but that's what God feels like to me - an imaginary friend that over 1G people believe in. he asked a question, I and others answered what we thought was best to tell him. I and others arent trying to convert him into a Christian or force anything. Give me a break. Im officially done with this thread. When did I ever accuse you of that? o_0 You've not only ignored what I said, but you also completely changed the subject. The hell, dude?
So according to your logic: people dying = no god hmm................freham2001
I think his point was more along the lines of the double standards when it comes to religion.
"Oh, that guy is sick! We just need to pray for him." Then he dies, and people are like "that's sad, but it was god's will and I accept that".
God's will? Cancer and AIDS and Malaria are God's Will? No one says "it was God's will" when a loved one gets shot in the head by a thief who is just trying to get $10 to buy some crack. But these same people want to say that god created AIDS and cancer and malaria just to get good people to meet him in heaven sooner?
And don't even get me started on all the people who cite prophesy as proof of god. These prophesies will NEVER be disproved for the simple reason that no one in the business of making prophecies is stupid enough to provide dates. Don't provide dates, and ANY prophesy may have just "not happened yet".
[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"] Yes! Thats exactly it, and shows my point. People today are not taught this anymore, buts its biblical, and why many people dont understand the concept of God. When i was first introduced to that idea it was through a camp seminar thing that was about an hour long so i cant explain it in detail...But plain and simple, God has the right to be "greedy." Now mind you its NOT the same kind of greed that humanity thinks of. If you were God, the Almighty, creator of the WHOLE universe and everything in it, wouldnt you want some recognition?? People wonder why God gets angry when they worship idols and false gods...Its because God is watching them saying "Hey! Youre MISSING the point! I AM the one you should be worshipping, not that gold statue, or your vintage classic cars. Those things are going to burn, I want to have a relationship with you, those things just sit there. Come to me." freham2001yeah, because even though he's god he still has human feelings.... You are still missing it friend. I didnt say it was a human kind of greed; its not. And yeah god still has "feelings," just as any living being has. He can get angry, but he can also be pleased, and be saddened as well. You think God isnt looking down on the earth, watching the wars, the homosexuality, and killing and isnt saddened? I can picture Him sitting there, going "You're missing the point, guys." Now God doesnt get depressed, or any of that nonsense. God will be just fine, and honestly doesnt need us. But he still reaches out to the people of the earth saying "Hey, i love you and want to have a relationship with you, please come to me." Plain and simple. How many people do you know that dont need you at all, but would still give their life for you, just because? Probably none. Which is why it is amazing that God is even trying to reach out to us. But he is, and he is constantly pursuing us, and constantly loving us. i ignored most of this post because of sexuality, it would be stupid of me start another argument, but, i assume you're against it? do you tihnk you can force people to be straight?, sorry edit, HOMOsexuality
[QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"][QUOTE="Gamer4Iife"] Yeah, but see... this is exactly why I don't. I don't like to force my opinion on other people, but I just find this whole thing a bit ridiculous. It's like people lose all common sense and distinction between reality and fiction when it comes to God. Again, I don't mean to say that MY beliefs are the 'right' ones, but that's what God feels like to me - an imaginary friend that over 1G people believe in.Gamer4Iifehe asked a question, I and others answered what we thought was best to tell him. I and others arent trying to convert him into a Christian or force anything. Give me a break. Im officially done with this thread. When did I ever accuse you of that? o_0 You've not only ignored what I said, but you also completely changed the subject. The hell, dude? ah crap, sorry about that, really ignore it :( . Its 3am and I guess its time for me to rest.
[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] yeah, because even though he's god he still has human feelings....lonewolf604You are still missing it friend. I didnt say it was a human kind of greed; its not. And yeah god still has "feelings," just as any living being has. He can get angry, but he can also be pleased, and be saddened as well. You think God isnt looking down on the earth, watching the wars, the homosexuality, and killing and isnt saddened? I can picture Him sitting there, going "You're missing the point, guys." Now God doesnt get depressed, or any of that nonsense. God will be just fine, and honestly doesnt need us. But he still reaches out to the people of the earth saying "Hey, i love you and want to have a relationship with you, please come to me." Plain and simple. How many people do you know that dont need you at all, but would still give their life for you, just because? Probably none. Which is why it is amazing that God is even trying to reach out to us. But he is, and he is constantly pursuing us, and constantly loving us. i ignored most of this post because of sexuality, it would be stupid of me start another argument, but, i assume you're against it? do you tihnk you can force people to be straight?, sorry edit, HOMOsexuality Im sorry you found disinterest in my previous post. And yes i am against it. We are called to hate evil just as God hates evil, and God specifically points out homosexuality. And no i dont believe i can force anyone to do anything. All i can do is relay truth and see what God does with it.
[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]So according to your logic: people dying = no god hmm................freham2001they prayed for him, and all, and he still died Honestly just because you pray for someone to live or keep living doesnt mean its going to happen. God hears us, definitely. But what we think is best and what God knows is best are at times completely different. Believe me when i say that God has a plan behind that person dying. You may not see the effects of it immediately, or ever, but you have to trust that its there. For example, take a sheet of paper and poke a small hole in it. Hold it at arms length and look through the hole. What can you see? Not much at all; just a tiny speck. That represents how much of the world we see. Now hold the hole straight up to your eye and look through; you can see a much much wider view of everything. That represents what God sees.
How does getting brutally murdered and then raped fit into God's plan?
How does a schoolbus crashing into a truck full of killer bees, and then those killer bees escaping and stinging 30 children to death fit into God's plan?
Every year, those of us in Florida crap our pants about hurricanes. Every year, each hurricane kills about TWO people in the USA. This after having barreled through Cuba killing dozens of people because they were poor and living in shacks that were not designed to withstand a goddamn hurricane. Was that God's plan? Does God just preferentially like killing poor Cubans, or is it more likely simply a case of people having to live in an area that's ravaged by hurricanes and simply being too poor to do anything about it?
[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"] You are still missing it friend. I didnt say it was a human kind of greed; its not. And yeah god still has "feelings," just as any living being has. He can get angry, but he can also be pleased, and be saddened as well. You think God isnt looking down on the earth, watching the wars, the homosexuality, and killing and isnt saddened? I can picture Him sitting there, going "You're missing the point, guys." Now God doesnt get depressed, or any of that nonsense. God will be just fine, and honestly doesnt need us. But he still reaches out to the people of the earth saying "Hey, i love you and want to have a relationship with you, please come to me." Plain and simple. How many people do you know that dont need you at all, but would still give their life for you, just because? Probably none. Which is why it is amazing that God is even trying to reach out to us. But he is, and he is constantly pursuing us, and constantly loving us. freham2001i ignored most of this post because of sexuality, it would be stupid of me start another argument, but, i assume you're against it? do you tihnk you can force people to be straight?, sorry edit, HOMOsexuality Im sorry you found disinterest in my previous post. And yes i am against it. We are called to hate evil just as God hates evil, and God specifically points out homosexuality. And no i dont believe i can force anyone to do anything. All i can do is relay truth and see what God does with it. yeah but people don't choose to be homosexual, why would god create homosexuals just to condemn them
Honestly just because you pray for someone to live or keep living doesnt mean its going to happen. God hears us, definitely. But what we think is best and what God knows is best are at times completely different. Believe me when i say that God has a plan behind that person dying. You may not see the effects of it immediately, or ever, but you have to trust that its there. For example, take a sheet of paper and poke a small hole in it. Hold it at arms length and look through the hole. What can you see? Not much at all; just a tiny speck. That represents how much of the world we see. Now hold the hole straight up to your eye and look through; you can see a much much wider view of everything. That represents what God sees.[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] they prayed for him, and all, and he still diedMrGeezer
How does getting brutally murdered and then raped fit into God's plan?
How does a schoolbus crashing into a truck full of killer bees, and then those killer bees escaping and stinging 30 children to death fit into God's plan?
Every year, those of us in Florida crap our pants about hurricanes. Every year, each hurricane kills about TWO people in the USA. This after having barreled through Cuba killing dozens of people because they were poor and living in shacks that were not designed to withstand a goddamn hurricane. Was that God's plan? Does God just preferentially like killing poor Cubans, or is it more likely simply a case of people having to live in an area that's ravaged by hurricanes and simply being too poor to do anything about it?
There are A LOT of things in this world that dont make sense. Trust me i wonder how all of these horrible things fit into God's plan as well...Dont think that i dont wish they didnt happen. I do just as much as anyone else. And honestly some things are hard to explain, and some things we will never have answers for. Were all those things horrible? Yes. God knows about everything that is going to happen/ is happening, but its not always necessarily His plan. Mind you he has a master plan designed all the way to the end of time, but sometimes allows certain things to happen in our world. Why? Who knows honestly...Not us. Some things only God will ever know, and we just have to have faith. Faith that he is still at work in the world and is not going to abandon us. Honestly a lot of stuff is based off of faith. Because without faith it is impossible to please God. And i dont expect anyone to automatically believe what i am saying, because honestly not everyone has that faith, and it takes faith to really understand what im talking about. But ill try the best i can to explain it.You think God isnt looking down on the earth, watching the wars, the homosexuality, and killing and isnt saddened? freham2001
Yes, because in an age in which high birth rates correlate to poverty and crime and disease, God is gonna be sad about THE GAYS. :roll:
With overpopulation being a symptom of human misery, as well as a CAUSE of human misery, God is going to be SO upset when two men have sex and don't end up producing another baby.
Do condoms also make God sad?
Do vasectomies make baby Jesus cry?
Maybe it really is like Monty Python said. "Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate."
It's like, "hey, who cares if that dude is sleeping around and making babies that he has no intention of supporting? At least he's not GAY!"
:roll:
[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] i ignored most of this post because of sexuality, it would be stupid of me start another argument, but, i assume you're against it? do you tihnk you can force people to be straight?, sorry edit, HOMOsexualitylonewolf604
Im sorry you found disinterest in my previous post. And yes i am against it. We are called to hate evil just as God hates evil, and God specifically points out homosexuality. And no i dont believe i can force anyone to do anything. All i can do is relay truth and see what God does with it.
yeah but people don't choose to be homosexual, why would god create homosexuals just to condemn themWhich brings us to another crucial point of conflict. People believe that you can be born gay and people believe that it is a choice and impossible to be born gay I for one honestly believe that homosexuality is a choice, therefore making the individual wholly responsible for his actions, just like the rest of us are responsible for all of our actions. I dont believe God would create someone to be gay Why would God destine you to fail before you even have a chance at life? He wouldnt. I believe that he does not create people gay because, as i said earlier, He has a plan not to harm us but to prosper us. How on earth would making us be born gay be prospering us? The answer: It wouldnt be. Which is why i firmly believe that it is a choice.
yeah but people don't choose to be homosexual, why would god create homosexuals just to condemn them[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]
Im sorry you found disinterest in my previous post. And yes i am against it. We are called to hate evil just as God hates evil, and God specifically points out homosexuality. And no i dont believe i can force anyone to do anything. All i can do is relay truth and see what God does with it.
freham2001
Which brings us to another crucial point of conflict. People believe that you can be born gay and people believe that it is a choice and impossible to be born gay I for one honestly believe that homosexuality is a choice, therefore making the individual wholly responsible for his actions, just like the rest of us are responsible for all of our actions. I dont believe God would create someone to be gay Why would God destine you to fail before you even have a chance at life? He wouldnt. I believe that he does not create people gay because, as i said earlier, He has a plan not to harm us but to prosper us. How on earth would making us be born gay be prospering us? The answer: It wouldnt be. Which is why i firmly believe that it is a choice.
Beliefs aren't very substantial nowadays...[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]
Im sorry you found disinterest in my previous post. And yes i am against it. We are called to hate evil just as God hates evil, and God specifically points out homosexuality. And no i dont believe i can force anyone to do anything. All i can do is relay truth and see what God does with it.
yeah but people don't choose to be homosexual, why would god create homosexuals just to condemn themWhich brings us to another crucial point of conflict. People believe that you can be born gay and people believe that it is a choice and impossible to be born gay I for one honestly believe that homosexuality is a choice, therefore making the individual wholly responsible for his actions, just like the rest of us are responsible for all of our actions. I dont believe God would create someone to be gay Why would God destine you to fail before you even have a chance at life? He wouldnt. I believe that he does not create people gay because, as i said earlier, He has a plan not to harm us but to prosper us. How on earth would making us be born gay be prospering us? The answer: It wouldnt be. Which is why i firmly believe that it is a choice.
ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choice[QUOTE="freham2001"]You think God isnt looking down on the earth, watching the wars, the homosexuality, and killing and isnt saddened? MrGeezer
Yes, because in an age in which high birth rates correlate to poverty and crime and disease, God is gonna be sad about THE GAYS. :roll:
With overpopulation being a symptom of human misery, as well as a CAUSE of human misery, God is going to be SO upset when two men have sex and don't end up producing another baby.
Do condoms also make God sad?
Do vasectomies make baby Jesus cry?
Maybe it really is like Monty Python said. "Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate."
It's like, "hey, who cares if that dude is sleeping around and making babies that he has no intention of supporting? At least he's not GAY!"
:roll:
I wasnt saying thats all that God cares about. Anything of the enemy is evil, and hated by God. I was merely giving a few examples.yeah but people don't choose to be homosexual, why would god create homosexuals just to condemn themlonewolf604
Which brings us to another crucial point of conflict. People believe that you can be born gay and people believe that it is a choice and impossible to be born gay I for one honestly believe that homosexuality is a choice, therefore making the individual wholly responsible for his actions, just like the rest of us are responsible for all of our actions. I dont believe God would create someone to be gay Why would God destine you to fail before you even have a chance at life? He wouldnt. I believe that he does not create people gay because, as i said earlier, He has a plan not to harm us but to prosper us. How on earth would making us be born gay be prospering us? The answer: It wouldnt be. Which is why i firmly believe that it is a choice.
ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choice Well honestly, thats exactly it, and exactly the problem. If you rule out what the Bible says, there really isnt a reason to be against homosexuality besides whatever morals you have. Its a problem because thats what a lot of people are doing these days. They are ruling out what they dont like in the Bible, and then filling it in with how they want to live their life.[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] yeah but people don't choose to be homosexual, why would god create homosexuals just to condemn themlonewolf604
Which brings us to another crucial point of conflict. People believe that you can be born gay and people believe that it is a choice and impossible to be born gay I for one honestly believe that homosexuality is a choice, therefore making the individual wholly responsible for his actions, just like the rest of us are responsible for all of our actions. I dont believe God would create someone to be gay Why would God destine you to fail before you even have a chance at life? He wouldnt. I believe that he does not create people gay because, as i said earlier, He has a plan not to harm us but to prosper us. How on earth would making us be born gay be prospering us? The answer: It wouldnt be. Which is why i firmly believe that it is a choice.
ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choiceSeriously.
Even if sexual preference is 100% voluntarily (maybe gays just ENJOY being discriminated against, similar to how blacks enjoyed being slaves :roll:), that STILL doesn't explain to me WHAT is so wrong about homosexuality.
If being gay is "wrong" and gays make God sad, then WHY does homosexuality make God sad?
When you see ****ed up stuff in the Bible, do you just accept it because it's in the Bible or do you actually wonder HOW and WHY that kind of stuff made it into the Bible?
So...if God supposedly wants gays to be killed, WHY does he want gays to be killed? Care to provide a reason?
[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"]Well honestly, thats exactly it, and exactly the problem. If you rule out what the Bible says, there really isnt a reason to be against homosexuality besides whatever morals you have. Its a problem because thats what a lot of people are doing these days. They are ruling out what they dont like in the Bible, and then filling it in with how they want to live their life. which is why you don't need a bible. its full of inaccuracies and contradictions. if you have a problem, go see a friggin psychiatrist or something. there are people in this world who live happy and normal lives, without god.ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choicelonewolf604
I have to say again, you are still missing it. And the Bible is not full of inaccuracies and contradictions. I have been reading it and following God for about 8 years and have never found anything that contradicts itself. Sure maybe the Bible contradicts what popular society says, but whos to say popular society is the absolute truth? God knows what he's talking about, and everything thats in the Bible is there for a reason. And sure i agree people can live their life without God, but there is another level of happiness and contentment that can only be found through God.
Popular society doesn't decide what is true or not... it is the individuals who actively search for empirical evidence, conduct experiments and discuss/debate among their colleagues who build our knowledge.I have to say again, you are still missing it. And the Bible is not full of inaccuracies and contradictions. I have been reading it and following God for about 8 years and have never found anything that contradicts itself. Sure maybe the Bible contradicts what popular society says, but whos to say popular society is the absolute truth? God knows what he's talking about, and everything thats in the Bible is there for a reason. And sure i agree people can live their life without God, but there is another level of happiness and contentment that can only be found through God.
freham2001
[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"] Well honestly, thats exactly it, and exactly the problem. If you rule out what the Bible says, there really isnt a reason to be against homosexuality besides whatever morals you have. Its a problem because thats what a lot of people are doing these days. They are ruling out what they dont like in the Bible, and then filling it in with how they want to live their life. freham2001which is why you don't need a bible. its full of inaccuracies and contradictions. if you have a problem, go see a friggin psychiatrist or something. there are people in this world who live happy and normal lives, without god.
I have to say again, you are still missing it. And the Bible is not full of inaccuracies and contradictions. I have been reading it and following God for about 8 years and have never found anything that contradicts itself. Sure maybe the Bible contradicts what popular society says, but whos to say popular society is the absolute truth? God knows what he's talking about, and everything thats in the Bible is there for a reason. And sure i agree people can live their life without God, but there is another level of happiness and contentment that can only be found through God.
buddists, hindus, sihk, muslim, etc, all probably say the same. religion is religion
oh and have funpt2pt 3
[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choiceWhich brings us to another crucial point of conflict. People believe that you can be born gay and people believe that it is a choice and impossible to be born gay I for one honestly believe that homosexuality is a choice, therefore making the individual wholly responsible for his actions, just like the rest of us are responsible for all of our actions. I dont believe God would create someone to be gay Why would God destine you to fail before you even have a chance at life? He wouldnt. I believe that he does not create people gay because, as i said earlier, He has a plan not to harm us but to prosper us. How on earth would making us be born gay be prospering us? The answer: It wouldnt be. Which is why i firmly believe that it is a choice.
MrGeezer
Seriously.
Even if sexual preference is 100% voluntarily (maybe gays just ENJOY being discriminated against, similar to how blacks enjoyed being slaves :roll:), that STILL doesn't explain to me WHAT is so wrong about homosexuality.
If being gay is "wrong" and gays make God sad, then WHY does homosexuality make God sad?
When you see ****ed up stuff in the Bible, do you just accept it because it's in the Bible or do you actually wonder HOW and WHY that kind of stuff made it into the Bible?
So...if God supposedly wants gays to be killed, WHY does he want gays to be killed? Care to provide a reason?
I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choicefreham2001
Seriously.
Even if sexual preference is 100% voluntarily (maybe gays just ENJOY being discriminated against, similar to how blacks enjoyed being slaves :roll:), that STILL doesn't explain to me WHAT is so wrong about homosexuality.
If being gay is "wrong" and gays make God sad, then WHY does homosexuality make God sad?
When you see ****ed up stuff in the Bible, do you just accept it because it's in the Bible or do you actually wonder HOW and WHY that kind of stuff made it into the Bible?
So...if God supposedly wants gays to be killed, WHY does he want gays to be killed? Care to provide a reason?
I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
why does god hate gays?
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] ok. here's another question. why would there be any need to be against homosexuality, besides "because the bible says so". :| if people choose to be gay then that's their choicefreham2001
Seriously.
Even if sexual preference is 100% voluntarily (maybe gays just ENJOY being discriminated against, similar to how blacks enjoyed being slaves :roll:), that STILL doesn't explain to me WHAT is so wrong about homosexuality.
If being gay is "wrong" and gays make God sad, then WHY does homosexuality make God sad?
When you see ****ed up stuff in the Bible, do you just accept it because it's in the Bible or do you actually wonder HOW and WHY that kind of stuff made it into the Bible?
So...if God supposedly wants gays to be killed, WHY does he want gays to be killed? Care to provide a reason?
I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] which is why you don't need a bible. its full of inaccuracies and contradictions. if you have a problem, go see a friggin psychiatrist or something. there are people in this world who live happy and normal lives, without god.lonewolf604
I have to say again, you are still missing it. And the Bible is not full of inaccuracies and contradictions. I have been reading it and following God for about 8 years and have never found anything that contradicts itself. Sure maybe the Bible contradicts what popular society says, but whos to say popular society is the absolute truth? God knows what he's talking about, and everything thats in the Bible is there for a reason. And sure i agree people can live their life without God, but there is another level of happiness and contentment that can only be found through God.
buddists, hindus, sihk, muslim, etc, all probably say the same. religion is religion
oh and have funpt2pt 3
Maybe they're all right about self enlightenment. But self enlightenment is not the goal of the Bible, or being a Christian. Buddhisim and all that are RELIGIONS; christianity is a way of life. Christianity has something that no other "religion" has, and that is Jesus. An actual, real, living Savior.
Seriously.
Even if sexual preference is 100% voluntarily (maybe gays just ENJOY being discriminated against, similar to how blacks enjoyed being slaves :roll:), that STILL doesn't explain to me WHAT is so wrong about homosexuality.
If being gay is "wrong" and gays make God sad, then WHY does homosexuality make God sad?
When you see ****ed up stuff in the Bible, do you just accept it because it's in the Bible or do you actually wonder HOW and WHY that kind of stuff made it into the Bible?
So...if God supposedly wants gays to be killed, WHY does he want gays to be killed? Care to provide a reason?
I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
why does god hate gays?
Because God hates all sin...Just the same as if i lie. He hates that too.[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]I have to say again, you are still missing it. And the Bible is not full of inaccuracies and contradictions. I have been reading it and following God for about 8 years and have never found anything that contradicts itself. Sure maybe the Bible contradicts what popular society says, but whos to say popular society is the absolute truth? God knows what he's talking about, and everything thats in the Bible is there for a reason. And sure i agree people can live their life without God, but there is another level of happiness and contentment that can only be found through God.
freham2001
buddists, hindus, sihk, muslim, etc, all probably say the same. religion is religion
oh and have funpt2pt 3
Maybe they're all right about self enlightenment. But self enlightenment is not the goal of the Bible, or being a Christian. Buddhisim and all that are RELIGIONS; christianity is a way of life. Christianity has something that no other "religion" has, and that is Jesus. An actual, real, living Savior.
you didn't watch the whole thing. religion is religion (FAITH FAITH FAITH,NOT FACT, FAITH)
Seriously.
Even if sexual preference is 100% voluntarily (maybe gays just ENJOY being discriminated against, similar to how blacks enjoyed being slaves :roll:), that STILL doesn't explain to me WHAT is so wrong about homosexuality.
If being gay is "wrong" and gays make God sad, then WHY does homosexuality make God sad?
When you see ****ed up stuff in the Bible, do you just accept it because it's in the Bible or do you actually wonder HOW and WHY that kind of stuff made it into the Bible?
So...if God supposedly wants gays to be killed, WHY does he want gays to be killed? Care to provide a reason?
I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
Incorrect good sir. Homosexuality is a sin/evil in God's eyes. Just like lying or stealing would be. And God hates all sin. The single, one reason would be that it is sin.[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
freham2001
why does god hate gays?
Because God hates all sin...Just the same as if i lie. He hates that too.yeah but even wihtout the bible, we all know lying makes people a-holes.
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="freham2001"]I know there is some really stange stuff in the bible, and yeah i have questioned it. And to asnwer yor question, yea basically i accept it because of faith, and i know God put eveything in the Bible for a reason and wouldnt lie about anything that happened. And God doesnt like homosexuality just the same as he doesnt like lying. Seriously. He's not just pinpointing the gays and saying "Man you people are weird, what the heck??" ALL sin is equal in God's eyes. When i lie or am disobedient, technically im on the the same scale as the homosexuals and murderers. This is because, as you know, God is a being that is without any sin at all, and it is completely impossible for God to sin, because if he did he would cease to be God. And God simply just cant cease being himself. God is the utmost Holy that is possible, and anything that is with sin is detestable in his eyes. But we are reconciled though Christ his son, and when we accept his son God forgives us of all our sins and sees us literally without sin. That is the only way we are allowed into his Kingdom.
freham2001
So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
Incorrect good sir. Homosexuality is a sin/evil in God's eyes. Just like lying or stealing would be. And God hates all sin. The single, one reason would be that it is sin.And you are now cvompletely avoided thew question of why God SUPPOSEDLY thinks that homosexuality is a sin.
If homosexuality is a sin, then WHY is homosexuality a sin?
[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"]buddists, hindus, sihk, muslim, etc, all probably say the same. religion is religion
oh and have funpt2pt 3lonewolf604
Maybe they're all right about self enlightenment. But self enlightenment is not the goal of the Bible, or being a Christian. Buddhisim and all that are RELIGIONS; christianity is a way of life. Christianity has something that no other "religion" has, and that is Jesus. An actual, real, living Savior.
you didn't watch the whole thing. religion is religion (FAITH FAITH FAITH,NOT FACT, FAITH)
Actually i didnt watch any of it, i didnt realize those were links at first...ha. And having seen that now, i honestly must say that is one of the most depressing things i have ever seen. Really.
So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
MrGeezer
The man gives a brilliant response to all of yall's responses and this is what you pick out? He is clearly winning this debate, and might I add he is doing a very good job of explaining God.
[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]Maybe they're all right about self enlightenment. But self enlightenment is not the goal of the Bible, or being a Christian. Buddhisim and all that are RELIGIONS; christianity is a way of life. Christianity has something that no other "religion" has, and that is Jesus. An actual, real, living Savior.
freham2001
you didn't watch the whole thing. religion is religion (FAITH FAITH FAITH,NOT FACT, FAITH)
Actually i didnt watch any of it, i didnt realize those were links at first...ha. And having seen that now, i honestly must say that is one of the most depressing things i have ever seen. Really.
and how come?[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
Ragnarok1051
The man gives a brilliant response to all of yall's responses and this is what you pick out? He is clearly winning this debate, and might I add he is doing a very good job of explaining God.
He's giving answers that don't really address their questions... that doesn't qualify as brilliant.[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
zakkro
The man gives a brilliant response to all of yall's responses and this is what you pick out? He is clearly winning this debate, and might I add he is doing a very good job of explaining God.
He's giving answers that don't really address their questions... that doesn't qualify as brilliant. I guess you have to be a believer in Christ to see the brilliance.[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
Ragnarok1051
The man gives a brilliant response to all of yall's responses and this is what you pick out? He is clearly winning this debate, and might I add he is doing a very good job of explaining God.
I notice that you didn't answer my question either.
[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".
Is that pretty much the gist of it?
MrGeezer
The man gives a brilliant response to all of yall's responses and this is what you pick out? He is clearly winning this debate, and might I add he is doing a very good job of explaining God.
I notice that you didn't answer my question either.
My question is are you reading his post? I can see your answer, can you?Please Log In to post.
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