So, someone from my church died....

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

The man gives a brilliant response to all of yall's responses and this is what you pick out? He is clearly winning this debate, and might I add he is doing a very good job of explaining God.

Ragnarok1051

Apparently you also have to be a believer in Christ in order to see the brilliance of this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sanplNTr6c

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

So in other words, you DON'T have the ability to come up with ONE single reason why "gays make God sad".

Is that pretty much the gist of it?

MrGeezer

And you are now cvompletely avoided thew question of why God SUPPOSEDLY thinks that homosexuality is a sin.

If homosexuality is a sin, then WHY is homosexuality a sin?

Because specifically created relationships to be between a man and a woman. In Leviticus 18:22, God flat out states "Do no practice homosexuality, it is a detestable sin." And here is this passage from 1st Romans 18:27.

"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldnt worship him as GOd or even give him thanks.

ANd they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The reult was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious ever living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful thigs their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies. Instead of believing what the knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to belive lies. So they worshipped the things God made but not the creator himself, who is to be praised forever.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior and gossip." Simple answer. God says he hates sin, dont do it for if you endulge in sin then you do not love me or my commandments.

This is in response to MrGeezer due to Gamespot and it's studpid HTML crap. :evil:

"Wow never thou"ght of it like that. Definitely makes you wonder. ;) "

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"]

you didn't watch the whole thing. religion is religion (FAITH FAITH FAITH,NOT FACT, FAITH)

lonewolf604

Actually i didnt watch any of it, i didnt realize those were links at first...ha. And having seen that now, i honestly must say that is one of the most depressing things i have ever seen. Really.

Because honestly i hate seeing people walk away from the truth. I hate when people bash Christs name. It really is just extremely saddening.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="freham2001"] Incorrect good sir. Homosexuality is a sin/evil in God's eyes. Just like lying or stealing would be. And God hates all sin. The single, one reason would be that it is sin. freham2001

And you are now cvompletely avoided thew question of why God SUPPOSEDLY thinks that homosexuality is a sin.

If homosexuality is a sin, then WHY is homosexuality a sin?

Because specifically created relationships to be between a man and a woman. In Leviticus 18:22, God flat out states "Do no practice homosexuality, it is a detestable sin." And here is this passage from 1st Romans 18:27.

"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldnt worship him as GOd or even give him thanks.

ANd they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The reult was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious ever living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful thigs their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies. Instead of believing what the knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to belive lies. So they worshipped the things God made but not the creator himself, who is to be praised forever.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior and gossip." Simple answer. God says he hates sin, dont do it for if you endulge in sin then you do not love me or my commandments.

this is assuming that homosexualitys is choice

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]

Actually i didnt watch any of it, i didnt realize those were links at first...ha. And having seen that now, i honestly must say that is one of the most depressing things i have ever seen. Really.

freham2001

Because honestly i hate seeing people walk away from the truth. I hate when people bash Christs name. It really is just extremely saddening.

what TRUTH?!?!? look, i'm not saying that christianity is WRONG, but you should really open up your EYES to see that its all based on FAITH

Also @ mrGeezer thanks to the html stuff....about that video:

Ok im not going to lie, thats just silly. People doing things like that is what makes religion seem like a big joke...

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

And you are now cvompletely avoided thew question of why God SUPPOSEDLY thinks that homosexuality is a sin.

If homosexuality is a sin, then WHY is homosexuality a sin?

lonewolf604

Because specifically created relationships to be between a man and a woman. In Leviticus 18:22, God flat out states "Do no practice homosexuality, it is a detestable sin." And here is this passage from 1st Romans 18:27.

"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldnt worship him as GOd or even give him thanks.

ANd they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The reult was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious ever living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful thigs their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies. Instead of believing what the knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to belive lies. So they worshipped the things God made but not the creator himself, who is to be praised forever.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior and gossip." Simple answer. God says he hates sin, dont do it for if you endulge in sin then you do not love me or my commandments.

this is assuming that homosexualitys is choice

Also @ mrGeezer thanks to the html stuff....about that video:

Ok im not going to lie, thats just silly. People doing things like that is what makes religion seem like a big joke...

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] and how come?lonewolf604

Because honestly i hate seeing people walk away from the truth. I hate when people bash Christs name. It really is just extremely saddening.

what TRUTH?!?!? look, i'm not saying that christianity is WRONG, but you should really open up your EYES to see that its all based on FAITH

The truth of Jesus. That He is really the son of God. That he can really save us. That he really loves us and can really, really take away all of our sins.

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]

Because specifically created relationships to be between a man and a woman. In Leviticus 18:22, God flat out states "Do no practice homosexuality, it is a detestable sin." And here is this passage from 1st Romans 18:27.

"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldnt worship him as GOd or even give him thanks.

ANd they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The reult was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious ever living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful thigs their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies. Instead of believing what the knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to belive lies. So they worshipped the things God made but not the creator himself, who is to be praised forever.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior and gossip." Simple answer. God says he hates sin, dont do it for if you endulge in sin then you do not love me or my commandments.

zakkro

this is assuming that homosexualitys is choice

yeah....i mean, its pointless to argue with someone who basis his arguments on fiction...

Because honestly i hate seeing people walk away from the truth. I hate when people bash Christs name. It really is just extremely saddening.

what TRUTH?!?!? look, i'm not saying that christianity is WRONG, but you should really open up your EYES to see that its all based on FAITH

The truth of Jesus. That He is really the son of God. That he can really save us. That he really loves us and can really, really take away all of our sins.

yeah....i mean, its pointless to argue with someone who basis his arguments on fiction...lonewolf604

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"]yeah....i mean, its pointless to argue with someone who basis his arguments on fiction...zakkro

Also @ mrGeezer thanks to the html stuff....about that video:

Ok im not going to lie, thats just silly. People doing things like that is what makes religion seem like a big joke...

Also @ mrGeezer thanks to the html stuff....about that video:

Ok im not going to lie, thats just silly. People doing things like that is what makes religion seem like a big joke...

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"]

what TRUTH?!?!? look, i'm not saying that christianity is WRONG, but you should really open up your EYES to see that its all based on FAITH

lonewolf604

The truth of Jesus. That He is really the son of God. That he can really save us. That he really loves us and can really, really take away all of our sins.

well if you deny God your whole life, why should he let you in his kingdom? I mean, if you spit in your parents face, cursed them to the worst degree, and did the absolute most horrible things to the, why should they let you in their house?

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] have you ever wondered if: 1: people created religion to induce fear and to control people 2: people came to a conclusion that god created everything because of the lack of knowledge of what's around themlonewolf604

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"] Of course ive wondered that. Im human just like everyone else. Im not claiming i know more than yall, but i just chose to believe in the word of God. There is way more to it than just being a book. I believe that the other religions were made out of ill-knowledge. Every other religions respective "bible-like book" has contradictions and inconsistencies. I have never really truly examined every part and aspect of the bible, but there are plenty of seminary scholars out there that have and have spent many years studying it and have never found one inconsistency with the Bible. freham2001

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] that's fair. but i don't agree about homosexuallity being a sin. i'm not gay or bi, but i view gay and lesbians as human beings, like the rest of us.lonewolf604

dont get me wrong i still view them as humans too :lol: Im just saying, that when it comes down to it they will be judged by God. I cant judge them, what good would that do? Just make me a hypocrite. The only thing i am here on the earth for is to inform people of God and his Son and His word.freham2001

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"] ok :) that's fair, we're done, tired as hell, i mean heaven :| :P

lonewolf604

lol. nice. You know im sad though.....through all the commotion i missed my "1337"th post. I wanted to take a screenshot of it. Oh well.

I believe that a prayer only helps the person that is saying the prayer, which is fine of course, but it's not more than that.TheFlush

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]I believe that a prayer only helps the person that is saying the prayer, which is fine of course, but it's not more than that.freham2001

[QUOTE="TheFlush"]I believe that a prayer only helps the person that is saying the prayer, which is fine of course, but it's not more than that.freham2001

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="TheFlush"]I believe that a prayer only helps the person that is saying the prayer, which is fine of course, but it's not more than that.gobo212

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="TheFlush"]I believe that a prayer only helps the person that is saying the prayer, which is fine of course, but it's not more than that.lonewolf604

I wasn't really that close to him, but indeed it is sad. But the point to this thread is about this:

Everyone in my church of course, prior to this, were all "praying" for this person and his family. That he'll make it through (his brain tumor sugery). Now that he'd gone, everyone is going to be like "it was gods decision" and all that. Everyone is going to be super sad, but still come to a rationalize that it was gods decision. Which is BS, because its something called LIFE. Anywho, there's also going to be that fraction of people that go "why did you take him from us god? We were all praying for him!". Recently I became agnostic, and came to a conclusion that there is no god.

But there is this tiny bit in me that feels guilty for not praying for him....

Rip Howard M.

lonewolf604

Not sure if anyone else has said this or not but if you completly believe that there is no god then your athiest, not agnostic. Agnostic means that you dont believe in god, but at the same time you never believed that there wasn't a god; if that makes any sense.

probably didn't explain that as well as i could have but oh well.

I wasn't really that close to him, but indeed it is sad. But the point to this thread is about this:

Everyone in my church of course, prior to this, were all "praying" for this person and his family. That he'll make it through (his brain tumor sugery). Now that he'd gone, everyone is going to be like "it was gods decision" and all that. Everyone is going to be super sad, but still come to a rationalize that it was gods decision. Which is BS, because its something called LIFE. Anywho, there's also going to be that fraction of people that go "why did you take him from us god? We were all praying for him!". Recently I became agnostic, and came to a conclusion that there is no god.

But there is this tiny bit in me that feels guilty for not praying for him....

Rip Howard M.

lonewolf604

[QUOTE="lonewolf604"][QUOTE="freham2001"]

Because specifically created relationships to be between a man and a woman. In Leviticus 18:22, God flat out states "Do no practice homosexuality, it is a detestable sin." And here is this passage from 1st Romans 18:27.

"But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who push the truth away from themselves. For the truth about God is known to them instinctively. God has put this knowledge in their hearts. From the time the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky and all that God made. They can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldnt worship him as GOd or even give him thanks.

ANd they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The reult was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshipping the glorious ever living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes. So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful thigs their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies. Instead of believing what the knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to belive lies. So they worshipped the things God made but not the creator himself, who is to be praised forever.

That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior and gossip." Simple answer. God says he hates sin, dont do it for if you endulge in sin then you do not love me or my commandments.

zakkro

this is assuming that homosexualitys is choice

And it still doesn't even answer the damn question of what's wrong with homosexuality.

[QUOTE="zakkro"][QUOTE="lonewolf604"]

this is assuming that homosexualitys is choice

MrGeezer

And it still doesn't even answer the damn question of what's wrong with homosexuality.

It depends on how youre looking at it. Through human eyes, sure theres nothing wrong with homosexuality, or at least thats what people say. Through God's eyes, like ive said before, it is sin, and he hates all sin. I dont see how i havent answered the question of why god doesnt like homosexuality. Its a sin. Not to mention it goes against how he designed sex, and he calls it detestable.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="zakkro"] Or that the Bible is the word of God.freham2001

And it still doesn't even answer the damn question of what's wrong with homosexuality.

It depends on how youre looking at it. Through human eyes, sure theres nothing wrong with homosexuality, or at least thats what people say. Through God's eyes, like ive said before, it is sin, and he hates all sin. I dont see how i havent answered the question of why god doesnt like homosexuality. Its a sin. Not to mention it goes against how he designed sex, and he calls it detestable.

WHY is it a sin?

You can't say that God hates homosexuality because it's a sin. Because that's circular reasoning. After all, the textbook definition of a sin is stuff that God tells us not to do. By saying that God hates homosexuality because it's a sin, ALL you are doing is RESTATING the claim that God hates homosexuality.

And saying "God hates homosexuality" is not an answer to the question "WHY does God hate homosexuality?"

It's life.

These people believe God created life.

Therefore. . .?:| Seriously, a guy dies and you feel like picking on your community's beliefs?

You shouldn't feel bad. It's not like praying would have helped the situation. It's the thought that counts.Gamer4Iife

And it still doesn't even answer the damn question of what's wrong with homosexuality.

It depends on how youre looking at it. Through human eyes, sure theres nothing wrong with homosexuality, or at least thats what people say. Through God's eyes, like ive said before, it is sin, and he hates all sin. I dont see how i havent answered the question of why god doesnt like homosexuality. Its a sin. Not to mention it goes against how he designed sex, and he calls it detestable.

WHY is it a sin?

You can't say that God hates homosexuality because it's a sin. Because that's circular reasoning. After all, the textbook definition of a sin is stuff that God tells us not to do. By saying that God hates homosexuality because it's a sin, ALL you are doing is RESTATING the claim that God hates homosexuality.

And saying "God hates homosexuality" is not an answer to the question "WHY does God hate homosexuality?"

Being gay is a human made perversion that God specifically tells us not to do. He hates it because its not how he designed sexuality!freham2001

And...?

Are condoms part of God's design?

I wasn't really that close to him, but indeed it is sad. But the point to this thread is about this:

Everyone in my church of course, prior to this, were all "praying" for this person and his family. That he'll make it through (his brain tumor sugery). Now that he'd gone, everyone is going to be like "it was gods decision" and all that. Everyone is going to be super sad, but still come to a rationalize that it was gods decision. Which is BS, because its something called LIFE. Anywho, there's also going to be that fraction of people that go "why did you take him from us god? We were all praying for him!". Recently I became agnostic, and came to a conclusion that there is no god.

But there is this tiny bit in me that feels guilty for not praying for him....

Rip Howard M.

lonewolf604

[QUOTE="freham2001"]Being gay is a human made perversion that God specifically tells us not to do. He hates it because its not how he designed sexuality!MrGeezer

And...?

Are condoms part of God's design?

did he say "its not how god designed sexuality ?" sorry but i find that extremely hilarious LOLEuroshinobi

Being gay is a human made perversion that God specifically tells us not to do. He hates it because its not how he designed sexuality!freham2001

And...?

Are condoms part of God's design?

[QUOTE="freham2001"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

And...?

Are condoms part of God's design?

lonewolf604

With all due respect, yes i can. You think im just making up everything that i believe in? Trust me, by nature im a very skeptical person. I have to have some solid ground to believe in what i do or else i wont bother with it. Everything i believe in, i have learned from our churches leaders and through experience over the past 8 years.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

[QUOTE="freham2001"]Being gay is a human made perversion that God specifically tells us not to do. He hates it because its not how he designed sexuality!freham2001

And...?

Are condoms part of God's design?