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#201 dnuggs40
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[QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

And about the value of a women vs a man:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+27:3-7

Man = 60

Women = 30

So a womman is *gasp* half the value of a man. If anything, the bible contradicts itself on numerous occasions.

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(27:3-7)
God defines the value of human life in dollars and cents. Of course, to God, females are worth considerably less than males (50 - 60%) -- but neither are worth much. Some background of Old Testament and New Testament. OT laws and rules pertained to Jews and their covenant with God. Along with such we have animal sacrifices to cleanse sin. With Christ's life/death we have the new covenant open to all and not just Jews. Christ life/death ended following Levitical law and animal sacrifice.

and thats the old testament if you havent read the new one Jesus said it wasnt ok to label them as such anymore.

Exactly, what a lot of people that try to find contradictions in the Bible fail to realize that the naming of the New and Old testaments are there for a reason, the Old testament has been fufilled, and the New Testament has not, so Christians must abide by the laws of the NEW testament, not the Old.

Regardless, the OT is in the NT and is considered the word of god at that time. So god at one point or another, considered women to be HALF the worth of a man. It's damning either way, becuase it is still considered scripture and the word of god. Why would god consider a women to be 50% of a man at one point...then change his mind later?

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[QUOTE="dackchaar"][QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

And about the value of a women vs a man:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+27:3-7

Man = 60

Women = 30

So a womman is *gasp* half the value of a man. If anything, the bible contradicts itself on numerous occasions.

dnuggs40

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God defines the value of human life in dollars and cents. Of course, to God, females are worth considerably less than males (50 - 60%) -- but neither are worth much. Some background of Old Testament and New Testament. OT laws and rules pertained to Jews and their covenant with God. Along with such we have animal sacrifices to cleanse sin. With Christ's life/death we have the new covenant open to all and not just Jews. Christ life/death ended following Levitical law and animal sacrifice.

and thats the old testament if you havent read the new one Jesus said it wasnt ok to label them as such anymore.

Exactly, what a lot of people that try to find contradictions in the Bible fail to realize that the naming of the New and Old testaments are there for a reason, the Old testament has been fufilled, and the New Testament has not, so Christians must abide by the laws of the NEW testament, not the Old.

Regardless, the OT is in the NT and is considered the word of god at that time. So god at one point or another, considered women to be HALF the worth of a man. It's damning either way, becuase it is still considered scripture and the word of god. Why would god consider a women to be 50% of a man at one point...then change his mind later?

That's just how things worked in that day, women were treated like cattle, and God changes his mind, he wished that he would have never created mankind.

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I wonder if they'll take any scripture, and not just the Bible.

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[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="dackchaar"][QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

And about the value of a women vs a man:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+27:3-7

Man = 60

Women = 30

So a womman is *gasp* half the value of a man. If anything, the bible contradicts itself on numerous occasions.

dackchaar

(27:3-7)
God defines the value of human life in dollars and cents. Of course, to God, females are worth considerably less than males (50 - 60%) -- but neither are worth much. Some background of Old Testament and New Testament. OT laws and rules pertained to Jews and their covenant with God. Along with such we have animal sacrifices to cleanse sin. With Christ's life/death we have the new covenant open to all and not just Jews. Christ life/death ended following Levitical law and animal sacrifice.

and thats the old testament if you havent read the new one Jesus said it wasnt ok to label them as such anymore.

Exactly, what a lot of people that try to find contradictions in the Bible fail to realize that the naming of the New and Old testaments are there for a reason, the Old testament has been fufilled, and the New Testament has not, so Christians must abide by the laws of the NEW testament, not the Old.

Regardless, the OT is in the NT and is considered the word of god at that time. So god at one point or another, considered women to be HALF the worth of a man. It's damning either way, becuase it is still considered scripture and the word of god. Why would god consider a women to be 50% of a man at one point...then change his mind later?

That's just how things worked in that day, women were treated like cattle, and God changes his mind, he wished that he would have never created mankind.

That just goes to show you the contradictions. In the NT, god's word is infallible...how can this be the case if he made a mistake?

God: "Oops! Maybe they should be treated equal...silly me!"

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I wonder if they'll take any scripture, and not just the Bible.

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Yes, they said they have recieved Bibles, The Quran, other scriptures and even some kind of Satanic Bible. They are an equal opportunity porn provider!

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[QUOTE="dackchaar"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="dackchaar"][QUOTE="greenprince"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

And about the value of a women vs a man:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+27:3-7

Man = 60

Women = 30

So a womman is *gasp* half the value of a man. If anything, the bible contradicts itself on numerous occasions.

dnuggs40

(27:3-7)
God defines the value of human life in dollars and cents. Of course, to God, females are worth considerably less than males (50 - 60%) -- but neither are worth much. Some background of Old Testament and New Testament. OT laws and rules pertained to Jews and their covenant with God. Along with such we have animal sacrifices to cleanse sin. With Christ's life/death we have the new covenant open to all and not just Jews. Christ life/death ended following Levitical law and animal sacrifice.

and thats the old testament if you havent read the new one Jesus said it wasnt ok to label them as such anymore.

Exactly, what a lot of people that try to find contradictions in the Bible fail to realize that the naming of the New and Old testaments are there for a reason, the Old testament has been fufilled, and the New Testament has not, so Christians must abide by the laws of the NEW testament, not the Old.

Regardless, the OT is in the NT and is considered the word of god at that time. So god at one point or another, considered women to be HALF the worth of a man. It's damning either way, becuase it is still considered scripture and the word of god. Why would god consider a women to be 50% of a man at one point...then change his mind later?

That's just how things worked in that day, women were treated like cattle, and God changes his mind, he wished that he would have never created mankind.

That just goes to show you the contradictions. In the NT, god's word is infallible...how can this be the case if he made a mistake?

God: "Oops! Maybe they should be treated equal...silly me!"

I don't believe it's a mistake at all, he is simply changing the standards for the different time periods.

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Why different standards if he created us equal? Wouldn't he be extremely pissed and instruct the Jews to treat women fairly? The fact is, at one point he considers women half a man, then another he considers them equal. That does not make sense and is a contradiction, becuase he created them both during Genesis. Exactly what did he do to "even up" the women's value? They are the same women they have always been...

If a women is equal, she is equal from the start, not just when god deems them equal. The only thing I belive this points out is that MAN is in fact responsible for the bible, and this is exemplified by these double standards due to life in those ages. If god created man and women equal, who would have instructed the jews as such.

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#208 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

I wonder if they'll take any scripture, and not just the Bible.

dnuggs40

Yes, they said they have recieved Bibles, The Quran, other scriptures and even some kind of Satanic Bible. They are an equal opportunity porn provider!

Wait wait wait, if Satanism is supposed to be liberating and is a fairly new cult, why would they take one?

(This is all assuming the Satanic Bible is part of Satanism)

I mean, it's not like Satanism has been recognized as an institution that has bought harm to anyone in the hostory books.

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[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

I wonder if they'll take any scripture, and not just the Bible.

The_Ish

Yes, they said they have recieved Bibles, The Quran, other scriptures and even some kind of Satanic Bible. They are an equal opportunity porn provider!

Wait wait wait, if Satanism is supposed to be liberating and is a fairly new cult, why would they take one?

(This is all assuming the Satanic Bible is part of Satanism)

I mean, it's not like Satanism has been recognized as an institution that has bought harm to anyone in the hostory books.

I don't know anything at all about satanism or wether it is liberating, or why they would take one. I didn't even know satanism had a bible lol.

I might guess that these guys consider satanism a religion though, based on god (satan?), and thats what they are against. Just a guess though...

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"Supression - Distinct aspects of civil oppression, generally censorship, and non-lethal human rightsabuses. Abuse and censorshipand human right abuse pretty much explains what they are doing. "

Again, what they did was NOT suppression. How was it cencorship? If they went around stealing bibles then and forcing people not to pray that would be something, but all they did was allow people who WANTED TO trade in their bible for porn. This is not censorship nor is it suppression. LOL...really man...

Are you that Clueless? Why do you think they want bibles? Its pretty to assume that the people who aren't Christian can get a bible for free in a Church thats taking something they're not even going to use. If the people told the Church and Christians that are giving them the bible they wouldn't give to them because of their prime motives. and Last time I checked they are using for the bibles for what? thats cencorship by stealing or abusing something they are not using.

"But did they get support? Doubt it, they are there for the intention if not anything else. They point is to make others change to their ideas but if you look at the interview he just bashed a whole religion. Not to smart in my perspective. You're obviously not convincing anyone, he is just pissing people off now. "

Well...if you read what they said, then yes, they did. Quite a few people traded in, and joined the group. Plus, open discussion was created. Plus they got a spot on prime time news, they succeeded.

Those people aren'tChristian, they were either agnostic or atheist and joined the group, and so they got prime time news? were you listening to the interview he just made millions of people in his general arena more pissed off by putting lies and justifying something that isn't even worth debating about.

"Yet in the previous posts I recall people saying you can get a bible anywhere if you have been reading the thread it self. Therefore I regard that the people who are trading their bibles are getting it off from a source. Nice try to make it seem like you had no idea what I was saying. You just help me prove that the peopledont even have toChristians who trade it. Lol I cant believe you're actually thinking that these people are actually Christian. "

you can, and it is free. So if some one gives you something *gasp* it is now yours. Did anybody sign a contract with the people giving out bibles? Nope. Not exploitation. And not ONCE have I said that these people were Christians, in fact, the example I used is that I have one, and I am NOT christian. You seem to not have very good reading skills. The point is, it's THEIR bible, however they have acquired them. They are not stealing, it's THEIR property and they are free to do with it what they please.

Please go up to a Church and ask for a bible and tell them you're going to trade it in for pron. I guarantee 100 percent that they would not give it you. Is it wrong to exploit someone resources when they obviously thought you were to use the item for your own benefit? you bet! the fact that your justifying this question makesme to think that you didnt think this through. You actually think that exploiting their resources is not a bad thing? you got issues. And for once can you actually read my posts and not chopping it down to bits and outting it out of context.

"You see that something their doing is futile and doesnt really contribute to anything. What is something they are trying to do? really? I have no idea its just some guys who think bashing a 2 thousand year belief system is cool."

Well, thats your OPINION, and I am fine with that. But they do not believe what they are doing is futile, nor are they just running around bashing the bible. In the interview they laid out their rationality, and spoke intelligently. I really didn't see them say anything like :"ya huhuhu...religion sucks and this is cool huhuh!". They laid out their belief, and why they are doing what they are doing.

What are you reading the same thing I am? rationality? intelligently? he just bashed a religion then claimed morality as an instinct! and calling it a society that benefits mankind? I'm sorry this guy is talking bull. He states that the Bible is immoral but in clear definition he doesn't know how or what morals are. In a Atheist belief they say that their heart tells them what to do but if you look in past history, slavery, genocide's, WWII in which Hitler was an atheist that thought in his heart that they needed to be destroyed. People thought that blacks were inferior and so on all because of a humans who think they know what they are doing. This guy is just a tool he is doing this not for the Atheists but a clear example of how rebellious he can be without facts. He is lost cause.

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[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

I wonder if they'll take any scripture, and not just the Bible.

dnuggs40

Yes, they said they have recieved Bibles, The Quran, other scriptures and even some kind of Satanic Bible. They are an equal opportunity porn provider!

Wait wait wait, if Satanism is supposed to be liberating and is a fairly new cult, why would they take one?

(This is all assuming the Satanic Bible is part of Satanism)

I mean, it's not like Satanism has been recognized as an institution that has bought harm to anyone in the hostory books.

I don't know anything at all about satanism or wether it is liberating, or why they would take one. I didn't even know satanism had a bible lol.

I might guess that these guys consider satanism a religion though, based on god (satan?), and thats what they are against. Just a guess though...

[QUOTE="The_Ish"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

I wonder if they'll take any scripture, and not just the Bible.

dnuggs40

Yes, they said they have recieved Bibles, The Quran, other scriptures and even some kind of Satanic Bible. They are an equal opportunity porn provider!

Wait wait wait, if Satanism is supposed to be liberating and is a fairly new cult, why would they take one?

(This is all assuming the Satanic Bible is part of Satanism)

I mean, it's not like Satanism has been recognized as an institution that has bought harm to anyone in the hostory books.

I don't know anything at all about satanism or wether it is liberating, or why they would take one. I didn't even know satanism had a bible lol.

I might guess that these guys consider satanism a religion though, based on god (satan?), and thats what they are against. Just a guess though...

I don't know enough about Satanism to keep discussing this, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that. :?

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Why different standards if he created us equal? Wouldn't he be extremely pissed and instruct the Jews to treat women fairly? The fact is, at one point he considers women half a man, then another he considers them equal. That does not make sense and is a contradiction, becuase he created them both during Genesis. Exactly what did he do to "even up" the women's value? They are the same women they have always been...

If a women is equal, she is equal from the start, not just when god deems them equal. The only thing I belive this points out is that MAN is in fact responsible for the bible, and this is exemplified by these double standards due to life in those ages. If god created man and women equal, who would have instructed the jews as such.

dnuggs40

Holy crwd sorry I miss translated that post I just realize that The Jewish Study Bible explains that "the scale is evidently based on size and strength, and thus on potential productivity in terms of physical labor. It is not indicative of any social hierarchy. Fair enough. No age-ism or sexism here. And there is the important stipulation in verse 8 that "if one cannot afford the equivalent, he shall be presented before the cohen, and the cohen shall assess him ...according to what the vower can afford."
But there's a deeper issue here:

"Through the procedure described, a purely fiscal transaction takes on the character of the ultimate act of devotion, that of consecrating oneself ... to the Lord. Thus biblical religion preserves vicariously the notion of self-consecration without requiring one actually to sacrifice oneself."

Sorry my mistake

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Why different standards if he created us equal? Wouldn't he be extremely pissed and instruct the Jews to treat women fairly? The fact is, at one point he considers women half a man, then another he considers them equal. That does not make sense and is a contradiction, becuase he created them both during Genesis. Exactly what did he do to "even up" the women's value? They are the same women they have always been...

If a women is equal, she is equal from the start, not just when god deems them equal. The only thing I belive this points out is that MAN is in fact responsible for the bible, and this is exemplified by these double standards due to life in those ages. If god created man and women equal, who would have instructed the jews as such.

dnuggs40
The Jewish Study Bible explains that "the scale is evidently based on size and strength, and thus on potential productivity in terms of physical labor. It is not indicative of any social hierarchy." (p. 277)

Fair enough. No age-ism or sexism here. And there is the important stipulation in verse 8 that "if one cannot afford the equivalent, he shall be presented before the cohen, and the cohen shall assess him ...according to what the vower can afford."
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Not a bad trade off
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"Are you that Clueless? Why do you think they want bibles? Its pretty to assume that the people who aren't Christian can get a bible for free in a Church thats taking something they're not even going to use. If the people told the Church and Christians that are giving them the bible they wouldn't give to them because of their prime motives. and Last time I checked they are using for the bibles for what? thats cencorship by stealing or abusing something they are not using. "

It's their bibles. You are assuming you know where these people got their bibles. You are assuming they are swindling churches out of their bibles. Seriously dude, you have absolutely ZERO idea where they get the bible. End of discussion. Not to mention, you have absolutely ZERO idea what censorship is...seriously.

" Those people aren'tChristian, they were either agnostic or atheist and joined the group, and so they got prime time news? were you listening to the interview he just made millions of people in his general arena more pissed off by putting lies and justifying something that isn't even worth debating about".

Nice job pulling things completely out of your arse. Have you met these people? lol

"Please go up to a Church and ask for a bible and tell them you're going to trade it in for pron. I guarantee 100 percent that they would not give it you. Is it wrong to exploit someone resources when they obviously thought you were to use the item for your own benefit? you bet! the fact that your justifying this question makesme to think that you didnt think this through. You actually think that exploiting their resources is not a bad thing? you got issues. And for once can you actually read my posts and not chopping it down to bits and outting it out of context."

Like I already said, I OWN MY OWN BIBLE. Not to mention, you can order them online, they give bibles out on the street, heck...some sects even deliver the bible to your doorstep. And just maybe *gasp* these bibles were given to the students by family members! Seriously, stop assuming all this baseless crapola...

"What are you reading the same thing I am? rationality? intelligently? he just bashed a religion then claimed morality as an instinct! and calling it a society that benefits mankind? I'm sorry this guy is talking bull. He states that the Bible is immoral but in clear definition he doesn't know how or what morals are. In a Atheist belief they say that their heart tells them what to do but if you look in past history, slavery, genocide's, WWII in which Hitler was an atheist that thought in his heart that they needed to be destroyed. People thought that blacks were inferior and so on all because of a humans who think they know what they are doing. This guy is just a tool he is doing this not for the Atheists but a clear example of how rebellious he can be without facts. He is lost cause. "

Actually, he did not bash or insult anyone (unlike YOU). He held a reasonable argument with the interviewer, and stated his beliefs without insulting anyone.

Obviously you are on the defensive, and are taking this very personally. You seem to believe your beliefs are the bottom line, and your religious beliefs trumps everyone else.

"WWII in which Hitler was an atheist that thought in his heart that they needed to be destroyed"

LoL...go back to school. Hitler was NOT an Athiest...not even close. Read Mein Kampf, it should explain everything...

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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"Are you that Clueless? Why do you think they want bibles? Its pretty to assume that the people who aren't Christian can get a bible for free in a Church thats taking something they're not even going to use. If the people told the Church and Christians that are giving them the bible they wouldn't give to them because of their prime motives. and Last time I checked they are using for the bibles for what? thats cencorship by stealing or abusing something they are not using. "

It's their bibles. You are assuming you know where these people got their bibles. You are assuming they are swindling churches out of their bibles. Seriously dude, you have absolutely ZERO idea where they get the bible. End of discussion. Not to mention, you have absolutely ZERO idea what censorship is...seriously.

" Those people aren'tChristian, they were either agnostic or atheist and joined the group, and so they got prime time news? were you listening to the interview he just made millions of people in his general arena more pissed off by putting lies and justifying something that isn't even worth debating about".

Nice job pulling things completely out of your arse. Have you met these people? lol

"Please go up to a Church and ask for a bible and tell them you're going to trade it in for pron. I guarantee 100 percent that they would not give it you. Is it wrong to exploit someone resources when they obviously thought you were to use the item for your own benefit? you bet! the fact that your justifying this question makesme to think that you didnt think this through. You actually think that exploiting their resources is not a bad thing? you got issues. And for once can you actually read my posts and not chopping it down to bits and outting it out of context."

Like I already said, I OWN MY OWN BIBLE. Not to mention, you can order them online, they give bibles out on the street, heck...some sects even deliver the bible to your doorstep. And just maybe *gasp* these bibles were given to the students by family members! Seriously, stop assuming all this baseless crapola...

"What are you reading the same thing I am? rationality? intelligently? he just bashed a religion then claimed morality as an instinct! and calling it a society that benefits mankind? I'm sorry this guy is talking bull. He states that the Bible is immoral but in clear definition he doesn't know how or what morals are. In a Atheist belief they say that their heart tells them what to do but if you look in past history, slavery, genocide's, WWII in which Hitler was an atheist that thought in his heart that they needed to be destroyed. People thought that blacks were inferior and so on all because of a humans who think they know what they are doing. This guy is just a tool he is doing this not for the Atheists but a clear example of how rebellious he can be without facts. He is lost cause. "

Actually, he did not bash or insult anyone (unlike YOU). He held a reasonable argument with the interviewer, and stated his beliefs without insulting anyone.

Obviously you are on the defensive, and are taking this very personally. You seem to believe your beliefs are the bottom line, and your religious beliefs trumps everyone else.

"WWII in which Hitler was an atheist that thought in his heart that they needed to be destroyed"

LoL...go back to school. Hitler was NOT an Athiest...not even close. Read Mein Kampf, it should explain everything...

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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Please do you honestly think a person who is Christian will convert to atheism because of pron :lol::? are you serious ? are you that naive to think that person would justsay ''hey guys I just converted to atheism because of pron'' lol didnt think this through did you? I that ignorant to believe that if so I cant help you.

Stop assuming that it is isn't. You keep avoiding these discussions and laugh it off but you never actually got through it.If they got a bible from somewhere else good for them but if they didn't then I'm right, I was guessing considering it was hypothetical like you did. Seriously you need to stop swearing makes you look like jerk

What are you talking about obviously you follow this guy like a sheep, I mean, come on his directly attacked the bible in which billions of believe in and you think its not offensive to those people?:lol: I'm sorry but that is ignorant to make it seem like he was innocent in his part. Your the one defending him when its obviously doesn't affect you in anyway. What is he? a Representative of atheists around the world? No, last time I checked you guys didn't worship anyone but from my perspective your obeying his every word like a dog. I'm sorry but to make it seem like he was just stating his belief is a mere illusion. Weather you like it or not he attacked and he is responsible.End of discussion

lol omg Looks like you need to go back to school that was a speech on the general public he was talking too. He was lying all about the religious affiliation he has with Christianity just to attract his target :lol: you actually believe that? :? Here is the real Hitler


27th February, 1942, midday "It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ."

End of Discussion Oh, sorry dude but I have to go, dont bother responding I have to go to work. Its been a pleasant debate peace

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Directly from Mein Kamf...his book he wrote in prison BEFORE he was in power. Hitler believed in God (exact opposite of AThiesm), which is what YOU claimed he was. He believed in god, but distrusted the church. YOU need to go back to school hombre...

Quotations from Mein Kampf

Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Note: "Their sword will become our plow" appears to paraphrase Micah 4:3 about beating swords into ploughshares, but his tears of war more resembles Joel 3:9-10 "Beat your plowshares into swords."

I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one's nationality.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Volume 1, Chapter 2, Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna

Fate must bring retribution, unless men conciliate Fate while there is still time. How thankful I am today to the Providence which sent me to that school!

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Thus my faith grew that my beautiful dream for the future would become reality after all, even though this might require long years.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The more the linguistic Babel corroded and disorganized parliament, the closer drew the inevitable hour of the disintegration of this Babylonian Empire, and with it the hour of freedom for my German-Austrian people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Not until my fourteenth or fifteenth year did I begin to come across the word 'Jew,' with any frequency, partly in connection with political discussions.... For the Jew was still characterized for me by nothing but his religion, and therefore, on grounds of human tolerance, I maintained my rejection of religious attacks in this case as in others. Consequently, the tone, particularly that of the Viennese anti-Semitic press, seemed to me unworthy of the cultural tradition of a great nation.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.

At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Note: Karl Lueger (1844-1910) belonged as a member of the anti-Semitic Christian Social Party, he became mayor of Vienna and kept his post until his death.)

The man and the movement seemed 'reactionary' in my eyes. My common sense of justice, however, forced me to change this judgment in proportion as I had occasion to become acquainted with the man and his work; and slowly my fair judgment turned to unconcealed admiration. Today, more than ever, I regard this man as the greatest German mayor of all times.

-Adolf Hitler speaking about Dr. Karl Lueger of the Christian Social Party (Mein Kampf)

How many ofmy basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement!

My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

A man does not die for something which he himself does not believe in.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The Western democracy of today is the forerunner of Marxism which without it would not be thinkable. It provides this world plague with the culture in which its germs can spread.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Just as a man's denominational orientation is the result of upbringing, and only the religious need as such slumbers in his soul, the political opinion of the masses represents nothing but the final result of an incredibly tenacious and thorough manipulation of their mind and soul.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election.

-Adolf Hitler with his twist on Mark 10:25 (Mein Kampf)

Thank the Lord, Germanic democracy means just this: that any old climber or moral slacker cannot rise by devious paths to govern his national comrades, but that, by the very greatness of the responsibility to be assumed, incompetents and weaklings are frightened of.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

For by employing religious force in the service of its political considerations, the crown aroused a spirit which at that outset it had not considered possible.

-Adolf Hitler on the state of Rome (Mein Kampf)

For when a people is not willing or able to fight for its existence-- Providence in its eternal justice has decreed that people's end.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Even less could I understand how the Christian Social Party at this same period could achieve such immense power. At that time it had just reached the apogee of its glory.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

But the power which has always started the greatest religious and political avalanches in history rolling has from time to immemorial been the magic of power of the spoken word, and that alone.

Particularly the broad masses of the people can be moved only by the power of speech.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The hard struggle which the Pan-Germans fought with the Catholic Church can be accounted for only by their insufficient understanding of the spiritual nature of the people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

The root of the whole evil lay, particularly in Schonerer's opinion, in the fact that the directing body of the Catholic Church was not in Germany, and that for this very reason alone it was hostile to the interests of our nationality.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Protestantism as such is a better defender of the interests of Germanism, in so far as this is grounded in its genesis and later tradition; it fails, however, in the moment when this defense of national interests must take place in a province which is either absent from the general line of its ideological world and traditional development, or is for some reason rejected.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Thus, Protestantism will always stand up for the advancement of all Germans as such, as long as matters of inner purity or national deepening as well as German freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm foundation in its own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any attempt to rescue the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy, since its attitude toward the Jews just happens to be more or less dogmatically established.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Verily a man cannot serve two masters. And I consider the foundation or destruction of a religion far greater than the foundation or destruction of a state, let alone a party.

-Adolf Hitler speaking like Jesus in Matthew 6:24 (Mein Kampf)

Heaven will smile on us again.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people.

-Adolf Hitler speaking about the leader of the Christian Social movement (Mein Kampf)

ut the people on top made a cult of the 'ally,' as if it were the Golden Calf.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(The Golden calf occurs in Exodus 32:1-4)

Mankind has grown great in eternal struggle, and only in eternal peace does it perish.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

We must, therefore, coolly and objectively adopt the standpoint that it can certainly not be the intention of Heaven to give one people fifty times as much land and soil in this world as another.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

...a man does not die for business, but for ideals.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Indeed, nearly all attempts to exterminate a doctrine and its organizational expression, by force without spiritual foundation, are doomed to failure, and not seldom end with the exact opposite of the desired result...

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian-Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

More than once I was tormented by the thought that if Providence had put me in the place of the incapable of criminal incompetents or scoundrels in our propaganda service, our battle with Destiny would have taken a different turn.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

-Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I (Mein Kampf)

...we must pray to the Almighty not to refuse His blessing to this change and not to abandon our people in the times to come.

-Hitler recalling a priest's speech after the defeat of WWI (Mein Kampf)

As soon as the theoretician attempts to take account of so-called 'utility' and 'reality' instead of absolute truth, his work will cease to be a polar star of seeking humanity and instead will become a prescription for everyday life.

-Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I (Mein Kampf)

The thinking of the one, therefore, will be determined by eternal truth, the actions of the other more by the practical reality of the moment. The greatness of the one lies in the absolute abstract soundness of his idea...

-Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I (Mein Kampf)

The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings...

If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

For the greater a man's works for the future, the less the present can comprehend them; the harder his fight, and the rarer success. If, however, once in centuries success does come to a man, perhaps in his latter days a faint beam of his coming glory may shine upon him. To be sure, these great men are only the Marathon runners of history; the laurel wreath of the present touches only the brow of the dying hero.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(The metaphors of marathon runners, and the wreath (crown) of the present to achieve works for the future parallels the thought in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27: "Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that you may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.")

To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Consequently, the value and importance of the monarchic idea cannot reside in the person of the monarch himself except if Heaven decides to lay the crown on the brow of the heroic genius like Frederick the Great or a wise character like William I.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hastily and indifferently, people tried to pass by the unpleasant truths, as though by such an attitude events could be undone. No, the fact that our big city population is growing more and more prostituted in its love life cannot just be denied out of existence; it simply is so.

...it is said with such terrible justice that the sins of the fathers are avenged down to the tenth generation. But this applies only to profanation of the blood and the race.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Avenged to the tenth generation appears in Deuteronomy 23:2-3)

Blood sin and desecration of the race are the original sin in this world and the end of a humanity which surrenders to it.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

How truly wretched was the attitude of pre-War Germany on this one very question! What was done to check the contamination of our youth in big cities? What was done to attack the infection and mammonization of our love life? What was done to combat the resulting syphilization of our people?

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Mammonization refers to the New Testament word "mammon" [Matthew 6:24; Luke 16:9,11,13] which alludes to riches, avarice, and worldly gain personified as a false god)

The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles.

The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(See Genesis 1:27 for man created in God's image.)

Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...

Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.

-Adolf Hitler sounding like the Moral Majority (Mein Kampf)

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#218 CrimzonTide
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Man that was long :shock:
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#219 Silver_Dragon17
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That is stupid. I can't believe those dumbasses, acting like porn is better than the Bible.
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#220 LostProphetFLCL
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That is stupid. I can't believe those dumbasses, acting like porn is better than the Bible.Silver_Dragon17

Tis just one example of why arrogance is both bad and annoying....

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#221 yoshi-lnex
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Old, and still awesome.
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That is stupid. I can't believe those dumbasses, acting like porn is better than the Bible.Silver_Dragon17
That is a matter of perspective.
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#223 XBebop
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I would steal a bible, then get me some porn. Double dark side points. :P
Panzer-schreck

You get 5,000 cool points for a KOTOR reference. ;)

I'd do it to get the porn as well. :)

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#224 Panzer-schreck
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[QUOTE="Panzer-schreck"]I would steal a bible, then get me some porn. Double dark side points. :P
XBebop

You get 5,000 cool points for a KOTOR reference. ;)

I'd do it to get the porn as well. :)

i've beaten kotor 1 and 2 about 10x each, fav game of all time :)

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#225 Silver_Dragon17
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Why the hell was this topic bumped?! Oh well.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]That is stupid. I can't believe those dumbasses, acting like porn is better than the Bible.EboyLOL
That is a matter of perspective.

No, it isn't.:| Pornography is a visual thing that is worse than anything that can be read in the Bible. Those Atheists are just bigoted bastards who want people to think their way.

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sad attempt to look cool.

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#227 solidgamer
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free porn is always a good thing
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#228 Panzer-schreck
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Why the hell was this topic bumped?! Oh well.[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]That is stupid. I can't believe those dumbasses, acting like porn is better than the Bible.Silver_Dragon17

That is a matter of perspective.

No, it isn't.:| Pornography is a visual thing that is worse than anything that can be read in the Bible. Those Atheists are just bigoted bastards who want people to think their way.

The sexy ladies never told me it was ok to stone children for being too disobedient. Never condemned anyone either,

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Wow! Where can I send a donation?
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#230 CptJSparrow
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Why the hell was this topic bumped?! Oh well.[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]That is stupid. I can't believe those dumbasses, acting like porn is better than the Bible.Silver_Dragon17

That is a matter of perspective.

No, it isn't.:| Pornography is a visual thing that is worse than anything that can be read in the Bible. Those Atheists are just bigoted bastards who want people to think their way.

It's not worse than the rapes in the Old Testament... 'Worse' here is also a matter of perspective, as EboyLOL pointed out. If people traded their bibles, they obviously already thought that way.