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#1 heysharpshooter
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Sorry if these are old... but they are sooooo good.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-25-2010/tennessee-no-evil

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-16-2010/mosque-erade

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---homeland-edition

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---team-mohammed-vs--team-jesus

Jon Stewart could seriously win a Nobel Prize for this... its important, hilarious work.

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Gotta love The Daily Show. :lol:
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Yeah I've seen some of this stuff on tv. "How about we don't give a **** about what the Jihadist think?" Yep....

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#4 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

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I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Wow... NM, this is a losing battle...(Catholics bombing Prodestents in Ireland) cough cough...

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I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Thats not true islamic ideology, you are referring to extremist ideology

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#7 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

heysharpshooter

Wow... NM, this is a losing battle...(Catholics bombing Prodestents in Ireland) cough cough...

Are they doing it in the name of their religion..if so, provide a link..also, does it say in the Bible to kill those who aren't Christian?..No, it doesn't..

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

heysharpshooter

Wow... NM, this is a losing battle...(Catholics bombing Prodestents in Ireland) cough cough...

Woah woah, IF you're going to say those Muslims are "Extremists" I'll play the Extremist card here too.
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#9 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Pileofconverse

Thats not true islamic ideology, you are referring to extremist ideology

Right..that's why on MULTIPLE instances the Quran says to kill those who aren't Muslim...i.e through means of beheading and so on..
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this is going to be good

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#11 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="Pileofconverse"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Thats not true islamic ideology, you are referring to extremist ideology

Right..that's why on MULTIPLE instances the Quran says to kill those who aren't Muslim...i.e through means of beheading and so on..

For example...?

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I always wonder, where are all of the conservative comedians?
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#13 mindstorm
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"Now John's an abomination in the eyes of both our Lords.":lol:

Though I'm not a fan of mockery towards Jesus, I am certainly a fan of mocking some of the stupid things Christians do (so that we might be corrected). :P

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I always wonder, where are all of the conservative comedians? cybrcatter

Jon Stewart is pretty moderate with his views. I don't really view making fun of people who think of silly excuses for this as mocking conservatives.

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#15 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="Pileofconverse"]

Thats not true islamic ideology, you are referring to extremist ideology

chessmaster1989

Right..that's why on MULTIPLE instances the Quran says to kill those who aren't Muslim...i.e through means of beheading and so on..

For example...?

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Snipes_2

Wow... NM, this is a losing battle...(Catholics bombing Prodestents in Ireland) cough cough...

Woah woah, IF you're going to say those Muslims are "Extremists" I'll play the Extremist card here too.

you dont need to play the extremist card because its common sense that they were extremists. just because some crazy **** blow some **** up doesnt make the religion bad. its the person not the religion

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I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

taj7575

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Crusades were in response to Muslims taking over the Holy Land.
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

taj7575

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Reason #485 why I am a follower of Jesus and not a follower of those who claim to follow him. ;)
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#20 heysharpshooter
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Right..that's why on MULTIPLE instances the Quran says to kill those who aren't Muslim...i.e through means of beheading and so on..Xx_Hopeless_xX

For example...?

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "

I respond with

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Wow, God and his followers are some nice dudes.

Face it, all major religions expouse violence against outsiders as the norm. Its called EXRTEMEISM.

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#21 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

taj7575

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Actually that's false..the head of the religion..i.e the pope did not in any way call for the crusades..in fact, when they got out of hand bishops and Christians hid those being persecuted from the Crusaders..in addition to the fact that they Muslims took land viewed by Christians as Holy...so they were the aggressors..the first Crusade was an attempt to take back the lands originally taken by the Muslims..also, why not just pick out an event from 100s of years ago when people were not as educated and Crusades were fairly common...?..How about let's look at the muslim past of war..?..Recently actually, within the past decade there have been numerous plots/attempts to kill civilians in numerous countries by the followers of "Islam"..

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#22 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

mindstorm

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Reason #485 why I am a follower of Jesus and not a follower of those who claim to follow him. ;)

Sorry, let me fix that

"The people who followed your beloved religion."

I was a bit hypocritical there, mah bad.

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#23 heysharpshooter
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Actually that's false..the head of the religion..i.e the pope did not in any way call for the crusades..in fact, when they got out of hand bishops and Christians hid those being persecuted from the Crusaders..in addition to the fact that they Muslims took land viewed by Christians as Holy...so they were the aggressors..the first Crusade was an attempt to take back the lands originally taken by the Muslims..

It was there Holy Land too... and Christians did not allow them to pray there... what choice did they have?

And explain pre-Inquisition Spain... controlled by Muslims, they alllowed all religions to worship there... until a couple of Christian rulers decided to torture and murder millions.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Right..that's why on MULTIPLE instances the Quran says to kill those who aren't Muslim...i.e through means of beheading and so on..Xx_Hopeless_xX

For example...?

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "

Oh, I want to play!

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16 You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you.

17 You may say to yourselves, "These nations are stronger than we are. How can we drive them out?" 18 But do not be afraid of them; remember well what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all Egypt. 19 You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the miraculous signs and wonders, the mighty hand and outstretched arm, with which the LORD your God brought you out. The LORD your God will do the same to all the peoples you now fear. 20 Moreover, the LORD your God will send the hornet among them until even the survivors who hide from you have perished. 21 Do not be terrified by them, for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a great and awesome God. 22 The LORD your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little. You will not be allowed to eliminate them all at once, or the wild animals will multiply around you. 23 But the LORD your God will deliver them over to you, throwing them into great confusion until they are destroyed. 24 He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them."

Deuteronomy 7:16-24 the BIBLE.

As I say in my following post:
For clarification, I think most Christians are good folks, just like I think most Muslims are good folks.

I also think there are great philosophies in both of their books.

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

For example...?

heysharpshooter

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "

I respond with

Wow, God and his followers are some nice dudes.

Face it, all major religions expouse violence against outsiders as the norm. Its called EXRTEMEISM.

You used an annotated Bible from a site called "skepticsannotatedbible.com" :?

It's not even taking actual quotes or parts of the Bible The part Highlighted is an account from when Israel is defeated at Ai, it's not any teachings. And here's what it actually says:"

12"Therefore the (I)sons of Israel cannot stand before their enemies; they turn their backs before their enemies, for they have become accursed. I will not be with you anymore unless you destroy the things under the ban from your midst.

13"Rise up! (J)Consecrate the people and say, 'Consecrate yourselves for tomorrow, for thus the LORD, the God of Israel, has said, "(K)There are things under the ban in your midst, O Israel. You cannot stand before your enemies until you have removed the things under the ban from your midst."

14'In the morning then you shall come near by your tribes. And it shall be that the tribe which (L)the LORD takes by lot shall come near by families, and the family which the LORD takes shall come near by households, and the household which the LORD takes shall come near man by man.

15'(M)It shall be that the one who is taken with the things under the ban shall be burned with fire, he and all that belongs to him, because he has transgressed the covenant of the LORD, and because he (N)has committed a disgraceful thing in Israel.'"

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#26 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

For example...?

heysharpshooter

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "

I respond with

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Wow, God and his followers are some nice dudes.

Face it, all major religions expouse violence against outsiders as the norm. Its called EXRTEMEISM.

Oh yeah that's a reliable source.."The Skeptics Annotated Bible"..that's surely unbiased in it's portrayal of the passages!

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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Snipes_2

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Crusades were in response to Muslims taking over the Holy Land.

How does that change anything. It still lead to innocent deaths

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#28 taj7575
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Snipes_2

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Crusades were in response to Muslims taking over the Holy Land.

Not a good excuse for massacres..

Still, since this argument is gonna go nowhere, you and hopeless coming in here pulling the stereotype card, and everyone else pulling the stereotype card with religion isin't going to help with anything.

So I'll just settle with I see no plan on listening to either of you, because you both have a strange belief thinking other muslims are completely fine with idiots in their religion doing what they want, and agreeing with what they did.

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I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX
Buddy that's EXTREMISM Islam doesn't support that. Besides, every religion has extremists. Christians in Ireland Sikhs with the plane bombing Jews in Palestine
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[QUOTE="heysharpshooter"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] "008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "Xx_Hopeless_xX

I respond with

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Wow, God and his followers are some nice dudes.

Face it, all major religions expouse violence against outsiders as the norm. Its called EXRTEMEISM.

Oh yeah that's a reliable source.."The Skeptics Annotated Bible"..that's surely unbiased in it's portrayal of the passages!

Click on the verse number... there just posting passages from the Bible... I haven't read my motel Bible in a few years... sorry I can't pull them from memory.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] Right..that's why on MULTIPLE instances the Quran says to kill those who aren't Muslim...i.e through means of beheading and so on..Xx_Hopeless_xX

For example...?

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "



"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant" "17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded" "17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel" "17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

Interesting, ain't it?

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#32 Pileofconverse
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Christianity and Islam share alot in common.. Please don't generalize

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#33 cybrcatter
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For clarification, I think most Christians are good folks, just like I think most Muslims are good folks. I also think there are great philosophies in both of their books.
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#34 Funconsole
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[QUOTE="taj7575"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

I didn't find them too amusing...

Also, people tend to dislike a religion whose ideology supports the beliefs of it's followers when they decide to blow innocent people up..

Xx_Hopeless_xX

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Actually that's false..the head of the religion..i.e the pope did not in any way call for the crusades..in fact, when they got out of hand bishops and Christians hid those being persecuted from the Crusaders..in addition to the fact that they Muslims took land viewed by Christians as Holy...so they were the aggressors..the first Crusade was an attempt to take back the lands originally taken by the Muslims..also, why not just pick out an event from 100s of years ago when people were not as educated and Crusades were fairly common...?..How about let's look at the muslim past of war..?..Recently actually, within the past decade there have been numerous plots/attempts to kill civilians in numerous countries by the followers of "Islam"..

Actually the Holy land never belonged to them :| Muslims also had control over the land. In addition, Jews viewed it as THIER holy land as well. Open your eyes and see that not every muslim is a murderer
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#35 lamprey263
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I like John Stewart, but I love Colbert more
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#36 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Pileofconverse

Crusades were in response to Muslims taking over the Holy Land.

How does that change anything. It still lead to innocent deaths

Uh...It's a war :? What do you want them to do, just roll over and die?
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#37 Elephant_Couple
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I always wonder, where are all of the conservative comedians? cybrcatter

They are shut out of almost all cable channels, especially those owned by Disney, NBC (General Electric), and MTV Networks (a.k.a. Viacom) which is who owns Comedy Central.

In response to Stewart's usual, one-sided idiocy, there is a difference between so-called "Islamophobia" and simply calling a spade a spade. When organizations and individuals all over the world consistently commit barbaric atrocities against foreign nations and violently oppress their own people in the name of "Islam," it starts to look like a spade after a while. What we are seeing is more and more people in developed countries who are willing to call it a spade. The "it's just the extremists" argument has run its course; unless the oft-alluded-to "moderate" Muslims break their silence and make a visible, concerted effort to overthrow the extremists who dominate their religion and destroy its image, there is no reason to suppose that much moderation exists at all in Islam, or at least not in the majority of its adherents.

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#38 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="taj7575"]

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

taj7575

Crusades were in response to Muslims taking over the Holy Land.

Not a good excuse for massacres..

Still, since this argument is gonna go nowhere, you and hopeless coming in here pulling the stereotype card, and everyone else pulling the stereotype card with religion isin't going to help with anything.

So I'll just settle with I see no plan on listening to either of you, because you both have a strange belief thinking other muslims are completely fine with idiots in their religion doing what they want, and agreeing with what they did.

What massacres? :? The Pope actually aided Jews and Muslims cast out of their lands.
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#39 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

For example...?

cybrcatter

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "

Oh, I want to play!

"

16 You must destroy all the peoples the LORD your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you. Endorsing violence against others?..No, it's not..it's saying do not sway from your beliefs..especially with THIS LINE..and the "people your Lord God" gives over to you is undefined so you cannot state it is saying to wage war on innocents or any group for that matter..

17 You may say to yourselves, "These nations are stronger than we are. How can we drive them out?" 18 But do not be afraid of them; remember well what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all Egypt. 19 You saw with your own eyes the great trials, the miraculous signs and wonders, the mighty hand and outstretched arm, with which the LORD your God brought you out. The LORD your God will do the same to all the peoples you now fear. Oh, the Lord will deliver you from persecution as he did in Egypt..cool, that totally endorses violence against innocents and non believers..20 Moreover, the LORD your God will send the hornet among them until even the survivors who hide from you have perished. Same with this line.. 21 Do not be terrified by them, for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a great and awesome God. Same with this line..do not fear your opressors.. 22 The LORD your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little. You will not be allowed to eliminate them all at once, or the wild animals will multiply around you. 23 But the LORD your God will deliver them over to you, throwing them into great confusion until they are destroyed. 24 He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them."

But where..pray tell does it state to wage war in Gods name and destroy all non believers?..

Deuteronomy 7:16-24 the BIBLE.

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#40 cobrax25
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Im still surprised people bring up the Crusades when their are such better examples, like the the constant mass murder and assaults agaist jews in Europe. Or the The constant civil wars agaist protestants and other chritian offshots.

Or even better how about the mass killings of natives in the Americas and Phillipeans justified by "god"

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#41 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="taj7575"]

I'm going to pull the crusade card here and say, once upon a time, your beloved religion had no problem with killing people in the name of religion.

Funconsole

Actually that's false..the head of the religion..i.e the pope did not in any way call for the crusades..in fact, when they got out of hand bishops and Christians hid those being persecuted from the Crusaders..in addition to the fact that they Muslims took land viewed by Christians as Holy...so they were the aggressors..the first Crusade was an attempt to take back the lands originally taken by the Muslims..also, why not just pick out an event from 100s of years ago when people were not as educated and Crusades were fairly common...?..How about let's look at the muslim past of war..?..Recently actually, within the past decade there have been numerous plots/attempts to kill civilians in numerous countries by the followers of "Islam"..

Actually the Holy land never belonged to them :| Muslims also had control over the land. In addition, Jews viewed it as THIER holy land as well. Open your eyes and see that not every muslim is a murderer

Open MY eyes?..How about show me where i ever stated every Muslim was a murderer?..And if the Holy Land where Jesus was crucified never belonged to them why do you say it "also belonged to the Muslims"..Who else did it belong to then..?

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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

For example...?

heysharpshooter

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "

I respond with

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Wow, God and his followers are some nice dudes.

Face it, all major religions expouse violence against outsiders as the norm. Its called EXRTEMEISM.

Oh yeah, God allowing people to record events as it happens, whether nice or not so nice, really shows God's character.:roll: Note that God condemned Ahab and his family to death is because of numerous atrocities the family has commited, which included presecuting and murdering God's prophets, child sacrifice, and offering to Baal, which any idol worship is specifically forbidden in Exodus.

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#43 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

For example...?

mAArdman

"008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "



"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant" "17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded" "17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel" "17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

Interesting, ain't it?

Oh wickedness...i don't know..that's undefined so we can't really say whether it's punishment for murder or what have you..hm..also, in Islamic countries in modern times..people are still stoned and so on...whereas in primarily Christian countries they aren't..and they never really were..

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#44 cobrax25
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[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] "008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "Xx_Hopeless_xX



"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant" "17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded" "17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel" "17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

Interesting, ain't it?

Oh wickedness...i don't know..that's undefined so we can't really say whether it's punishment for murder or what have you..hm..also, in Islamic countries in modern times..people are still stoned and so on...whereas in primarily Christian countries they aren't..and they never really were..

Jews were frequently killed and exiled in Europe for being jewish....

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#45 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant" "17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded" "17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel" "17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

Interesting, ain't it?

cobrax25

Oh wickedness...i don't know..that's undefined so we can't really say whether it's punishment for murder or what have you..hm..also, in Islamic countries in modern times..people are still stoned and so on...whereas in primarily Christian countries they aren't..and they never really were..

Jews were frequently killed and exiled in Europe for being jewish....

In the name of Christianity?..No, also, that was the trend of the time regardless...Does Christian Ideology state to do such a thing?..No, it doesn't..

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ugh....

I am so tired of the Islam topics on these forums...

I'm personally just burnt out on having to argue and bicker with people...

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[QUOTE="mAArdman"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"] "008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful" "[4:89] They wish that you disbelieve as they have disbelieved, then you become equal. Do not consider them friends, unless they mobilize along with you in the cause of GOD. If they turn against you, you shall fight them, and you may kill them when you encounter them in war. You shall not accept them as friends, or allies. "Xx_Hopeless_xX



"If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant" "17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded" "17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel" "17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die."

Interesting, ain't it?

Oh wickedness...i don't know..that's undefined so we can't really say whether it's punishment for murder or what have you..hm..also, in Islamic countries in modern times..people are still stoned and so on...whereas in primarily Christian countries they aren't..and they never really were..

What exactly is your endgame here? Why are you trying so hard to demonize Islam?

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#49 cybrcatter
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I have nothing against you deciding what parts of the bible you want to take literally, and what parts you do not.That's why people refer to it as interpreting quite often. All I would ask is that you give the same benefit to people of other religious, and how they interpret their sacred texts.