The Devil Is Here, Boy. Says Convicter Killer. Child Rapist/Torturer On Trial

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]

So by your logic: Killing/Raping/Torturing Children = Executing Murder/Rapist/Torturerfoxhound_fox

And those legal systems are flawed.SylentButDeadly

I find it funny how you cut what you said out of my quote. You said that by Killing the child murder/rapist/torturer, we would be sinking to his level. You put executing the criminal on an equal level to doing the crime itself.

One of the major reasons, why death penalty was removed was that there is no turning back. Once you have carried out death penalty, and later that guy is found innocent no one can bring him back.

Here, there is no doubt that the man is guilty! He accepts it, there is a video etc.

MFaraz_Hayat

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

foxhound_fox

He will get to go to the yard and eat.Why should he get anything from anyone?

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

foxhound_fox

The thing is, the guy is nuts. He's a complete wackjob that gets his thrills from killing children and serving satan. A tiny concrete cell means nothing to him. Torture means nothing to him. They don't react to torture and punishment like the rest of the world; to them, it might even be a game, or proof that they won. With the true wackos like this guy you just have to get rid of him.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

foxhound_fox

There was a guy who escaped from prison recently... He was in a wheelchair.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]One of the major reasons, why death penalty was removed was that there is no turning back. Once you have carried out death penalty, and later that guy is found innocent no one can bring him back.

Here, there is no doubt that the man is guilty! He accepts it, there is a video etc.

foxhound_fox

How are we sinking to his level if were killing a guilty person.His level is killing for no reason.

I'm not against death penality in cases like that, however people saying he should be tortured are only lowering themselves to his level. No matter what he did, if you use that as excuse to be torturing someone then you're sick too. It really would serve no purpose, all you can do is make sure he never will be able to hurt people again.

I find it funny how you cut what you said out of my quote. You said that by Killing the child murder/rapist/torturer, we would be sinking to his level. You put executing the criminal on an equal level to doing the crime itself.SylentButDeadly

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

DOS4dinner

The thing is, the guy is nuts. He's a complete wackjob that gets his thrills from killing children and serving satan. A tiny concrete sell means nothing to him. Torture means nothing to him. They don't react to torture and punishment like the rest of the world; to them, it might even be a game, or proof that they won. With the true wackos like this guy you just have to get rid of him.

Its like putting down a rabid dog.

Wow im starting to really hate this world....i also think the death penatly is good. If you kill anyone your life should be taken aswell.

Roxas12934

Then you have a never ending chain of killing. One person murders, and then he is killed by another, who then has to be killed by another, etc etc.

See the problem?

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

foxhound_fox

Appeal process costs are not the same in every country. It's costs may change.

Oh, and for prison breaks just google it. You'll find numerous cases, where people have escaped from high security prison.

Plus, in many countries such types of prisons are still not existant.

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]I find it funny how you cut what you said out of my quote. You said that by Killing the child murder/rapist/torturer, we would be sinking to his level. You put executing the criminal on an equal level to doing the crime itself.foxhound_fox

Your wrong, get over it. This man should die. Just because it doesnt sit well with your consciense doesnt mean we should abandon logic and morality to fit the world you want.

How are we sinking to his level if were killing a guilty person.His level is killing for no reason.jujutheking

[QUOTE="Roxas12934"]

Wow im starting to really hate this world....i also think the death penatly is good. If you kill anyone your life should be taken aswell.

Kuhu

Then you have a never ending chain of killing. One person murders, and then he is killed by another, who then has to be killed by another, etc etc.

See the problem?

I think he was talking about, killing of those who are guilty of murder. Murder is not the same as killing.

MURDER:Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

KILL:to deprive of life in any manner; cause the death of; slay.

See the difference? To put it simply, all murders are killings but all killings are not murders.

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

Schnauzerz

There was a guy who escaped from prison recently... He was in a wheelchair.

:lol: Are you joking? I just said that their was a guy in a wheelchair that escaped from prison, proving the fact that it is possible to break out of prison. Just because I said that, you go off about how im a "Typical hypocritical American Christian, probably evangelical or something. Stop making us true Christians look bad."

Did you misread my post or something? Their was no reason for you to say that stuff.

[QUOTE="jujutheking"]How are we sinking to his level if were killing a guilty person.His level is killing for no reason.foxhound_fox

I call BS.Many people throughout history kill with no feelings to who they killed.U think people who kill for there country throughout history will when day say to there self."Oh i killed a guy with kids or maybe a family"yea some might, but most don't give a crap.They feel good because they did it for there country.So u agree that he should stay a life and eat and go out in the yard.He could escape or be happy in jail.

Your wrong, get over it. This man should die. Just because it doesnt sit well with your consciense doesnt mean we should abandon logic and morality to fit the world you want.SylentButDeadly

[QUOTE="jujutheking"]How are we sinking to his level if were killing a guilty person.His level is killing for no reason.foxhound_fox

Yes, I could. Im not many police officers.

[QUOTE="Schnauzerz"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

SylentButDeadly

There was a guy who escaped from prison recently... He was in a wheelchair.

:lol: Are you joking? I just said that their was a guy in a wheelchair that escaped from prison, proving the fact that it is possible to break out of prison. Just because I said that, you go off about how im a "Typical hypocritical American Christian, probably evangelical or something. Stop making us true Christians look bad."

Did you misread my post or something? Their was no reason for you to say that stuff.

If you were really a "proud Christian" you would oppose the death penalty since the bible says that since God gave someone life, only he can decide when to take it away. Death penalty is humans making that decision, not God.

I call BS.Many people throughout history kill with no feelings to who they killed.U think people who kill for there country throughout history will when day say to there self."Oh i killed a guy with kids or maybe a family"yea some might, but most don't give a crap.They feel good because they did it for there country.So u agree that he should stay a life and eat and go out in the yard.He could escape or be happy in jail.jujutheking

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]Your wrong, get over it. This man should die. Just because it doesnt sit well with your consciense doesnt mean we should abandon logic and morality to fit the world you want.foxhound_fox

See, its a personal thing with you. Sit back and let people who arent afraid to do whats right, do the right thing.

[QUOTE="jujutheking"]How are we sinking to his level if were killing a guilty person.His level is killing for no reason.foxhound_fox

Why yes, yes I could. To me, the second you do something that horrible you lose the right to live. If he tried to hurt me or my family, I would kill him. If he was hurting someone else's kid, I would kill him. The fact is, some people--only a select few--just need to die. Crazy child-killing satan servants fall into that select few.

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="Schnauzerz"][QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]Why is he not capable? Life imprsionment? Have you ruled out the possibility of a prison escape? Sure, I might be assuming but if such people escape and then this case gets repeated, will you accept death penalty then?

And, we are not sinking to his level. The executor is killing a guilty person, who has raped and killed a 9 yr old child. That man, was killing and raping innocent children! How can this be stooping to his level?

Plus, with whose money are those life-time imprisonment guys getting fed with? Taxes? If so, then isn't it like innocent feeding the guilty? For all we know, that money can be spent for the welfare of this world.

Tauruslink

There was a guy who escaped from prison recently... He was in a wheelchair.

:lol: Are you joking? I just said that their was a guy in a wheelchair that escaped from prison, proving the fact that it is possible to break out of prison. Just because I said that, you go off about how im a "Typical hypocritical American Christian, probably evangelical or something. Stop making us true Christians look bad."

Did you misread my post or something? Their was no reason for you to say that stuff.

If you were really a "proud Christian" you would oppose the death penalty since the bible says that since God gave someone life, only he can decide when to take it away. Death penalty is humans making that decision, not God.

Exactley, only He can decide. He says that you must kill murderers like this. Se decide it, so I do it.

See, its a personal thing with you. Sit back and let people who arent afraid to do whats right, do the right thing.SylentButDeadly

[QUOTE="SylentButDeadly"]See, its a personal thing with you. Sit back and let people who arent afraid to do whats right, do the right thing.foxhound_fox

One of the ways it can be justified is prison escape. You did present us with an idea, that the person should be in steel cell, under surveillance etc. . However, you are assuming that every country in this world has such prisons. This is not the case, such prisons are extremely expensive to build. Come check in countries such as Pakistan and India. Will you accept death penalty here, especially considering the numerous prison escapes that take place in such countries?

Your argument that appeal cost is more, is not valid. It is a legal procedure, it's cost vary from country to country and may change.

I would like to ask, that do you agree with Zaeryn?

His post:

Current Chuch Canon, as mandated by JP II, states that the death penalty is morally wrong because it serves no purpose other than revenge.

In the Dark Ages, Thomas Aquinas stated that it is only necessary when the society is DIRECTLY threatened by the criminals existance. He'll be rotting in super max with no parole chance, so he wont pose a threat.

Arent we at least more civilized than a DARK AGES philosopher? Apparently not according to the posters in this thread.

I love the guy who claims he is a PROUD christian. Pride, my friend, is the most deadly of the Se7en deadly sins.

Current Chuch Canon, as mandated by JP II, states that the death penalty is morally wrong because it serves no purpose other than revenge.

In the Dark Ages, Thomas Aquinas stated that it is only necessary when the society is DIRECTLY threatened by the criminals existance. He'll be rotting in super max with no parole chance, so he wont pose a threat.

Arent we at least more civilized than a DARK AGES philosopher? Apparently not according to the posters in this thread.

I love the guy who claims he is a PROUD christian. Pride, my friend, is the most deadly of the Se7en sins.

Schnauzerz

Finally someone with some sense. Your wasting your breath though. These guys cant get it through their thick skulls that two wrongs do not make a right.

Cripple him, and then jail him. Jail is one of the worst places for a pedophile. But for a crippled one? Oh no :)Vfanek

They should do that thing from medieval times where they disembowel him and hang em i think Lief_Ericson

If they do that, then whos to say they wont do it again? To a man who did a lesser crime? How long before this turns into a common occurence and whos to say the citizenry, creatures slightly above other animals, will know when to say (or be able to say) "no more".

It seems like you guys have let your emotions get the better of you.

\

ok he either gets death penalty...or he goes to life in prison...and some inmate kills him later on.......IMO they should send him to life in prison....and get idk...10-15 inmates to do what they please to the guy. ReaperV7

Current Chuch Canon, as mandated by JP II, states that the death penalty is morally wrong because it serves no purpose other than revenge.

In the Dark Ages, Thomas Aquinas stated that it is only necessary when the society is DIRECTLY threatened by the criminals existance. He'll be rotting in super max with no parole chance, so he wont pose a threat.

Arent we at least more civilized than a DARK AGES philosopher? Apparently not according to the posters in this thread.

I love the guy who claims he is a PROUD christian. Pride, my friend, is the most deadly of the Se7en deadly sins.

Schnauzerz

Revenge?

Revenge:to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, esp. in a resentful or vindictive spirit

Knowing how the prsioner will be treated by the inmates, and life-time imprisonment it self will serve the purpose of revenge.

Death is to easy

i would torture him to the brink of death but not let him die. for the rest of his life.

death is to easy

solidgamer

Let me ask you death Penalty supporters one thing, do you also believe in the sanctity of life? Film-Guy

So, I ask you: If a guy is a serial killer and murders 10 people. We donot issue the death penalty, and imprison him for life. Now he manages to escape the prison and murders 10 more people. In the end, which path was safegurading life more?

The only practical purpose the Death Penalty has is apparently giving psychological relief to the victims family, though I doubt it will relieve much.

Economically speaking, morally speaking, and socially speaking, it is an affront on all levels. It serves no purpose other than a fleeting sense of vengeance.

Jail time actually has purposes other than punishment, though I admit its one of them, mainly segregation of the criminal from society.

The death penalty is a cheap form of revenge proponed by hot tempered individuals who let their emotions get the better of them.

In the Dark Ages, many people despised the death penalty. Its time we get with the times.

My points will fall on deaf and stubborn ears Im afraid

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]Let me ask you death Penalty supporters one thing, do you also believe in the sanctity of life? MFaraz_Hayat

So, I ask you: If a guy is a serial killer and murders 10 people. We donot issue the death penalty, and imprison him for life. Now he manages to escape the prison and murders 10 more people. In the end, which path was safegurading life more?

You keep asuming that everyone who goes to prison escapes.

The only practical purpose the Death Penalty has is apparently giving psychological relief to the victims family, though I doubt it will relieve much.

Economically speaking, morally speaking, and socially speaking, it is an affront on all levels. It serves no purpose other than a fleeting sense of vengeance.

Jail time actually has purposes other than punishment, though I admit its one of them, mainly segregation of the criminal from society.

The death penalty is a cheap form of revenge proponed by hot tempered individuals who let their emotions get the better of them.

In the Dark Ages, many people despised the death penalty. Its time we get with the times.

My points will fall on deaf and stubborn ears Im afraid

Schnauzerz

i posted it before, I post it again:

Revenge?

Revenge:to exact punishment or expiation for a wrong on behalf of, esp. in a resentful or vindictive spirit

Knowing how the prsioner will be treated by the inmates, and life-time imprisonment it self will serve the purpose of revenge.

[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]Let me ask you death Penalty supporters one thing, do you also believe in the sanctity of life? MFaraz_Hayat

So, I ask you: If a guy is a serial killer and murders 10 people. We donot issue the death penalty, and imprison him for life. Now he manages to escape the prison and murders 10 more people. In the end, which path was safegurading life more?

I asked you a question first, or can you not think of an answer? If you believe in sanctity of life and the death penalty then thats a little hypocritical.

[QUOTE="Schnauzerz"]

The only practical purpose the Death Penalty has is apparently giving psychological relief to the victims family, though I doubt it will relieve much.

Economically speaking, morally speaking, and socially speaking, it is an affront on all levels. It serves no purpose other than a fleeting sense of vengeance.

Jail time actually has purposes other than punishment, though I admit its one of them, mainly segregation of the criminal from society.

The death penalty is a cheap form of revenge proponed by hot tempered individuals who let their emotions get the better of them.

In the Dark Ages, many people despised the death penalty. Its time we get with the times.

My points will fall on deaf and stubborn ears Im afraid

MFaraz_Hayat

i posted it before, I post it again: