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#51 Blue-Sky
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[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]I'm pretty sure you're christian.foxhound_fox
He isn't, and your definition is wrong.

I know I'm not using a standard definition, I'm not telling anyone to interpreteit this way, nor suggest anyone should. I just prefer a more black and white approach to identifying how someone would react to pro-religious/pro-secular situations.

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[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] If you really want to get technical, and not use the term atheist in such a sweeping manner, you could say that we are all born "true agnostics." But in the broadest scope possible, atheism is merely the lack of belief. It is when you start getting into concepts such as "knowing the claims and rejecting them" that you start needing greater amounts of explanation (i.e. a gnostic atheist actively knows there is no God, or has chosen a specific, or many specific definitions to reject because of there own reasons).Blue-Sky

eh, that's making things unnecessarily complicated IMO.

I consider anyone who isn't part of an established religion, an Atheist. Whether they believe in a higher power or not.

Just for the sake of simplicity. All those extra specifications is pointless and a waste of time.

Read this, and then comeback when you understand the meaning of the word.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]No I consider myself a Panendeist. foxhound_fox
To me, deism is merely a polite form of atheism.

I don't see how it is. In any case panendeism isn't deism: "belief in a god who is both panentheistic and deistic, e.g. a god who contains all of the universe, but who nevertheless transcends or has some existence separate from the universe, who does interact, but does not necessarily intervene in the universe, and that a personal relationship can be achieved with it. "
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#54 British_Azimio
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We don't need to practice a religion. We need to practice love and the knowledge that we're all brothers and sisters.
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#55 foxhound_fox
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I know I'm not using a standard definition, I'm not telling anyone to interpreteit this way, nor suggest anyone should. I just prefer a more black and white approach to identifying how someone would react to pro-religious/pro-secular situations.Blue-Sky
Religion and theism are not mutually inclusive. They never have been. Whether you "prefer" that definition or not, it is totally wrong on many levels.
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#56 tjricardo089
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How long do you think it will be until humanity stops practicing religion, if ever?

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They won't. Period.

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#57 foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]I don't see how it is. In any case panendeism isn't deism: "belief in a god who is both panentheistic and deistic, e.g. a god who contains all of the universe, but who nevertheless transcends or has some existence separate from the universe, who does interact, but does not necessarily intervene in the universe, and that a personal relationship can be achieved with it. "

I know, I was making a broad statement. Deism puts "God" exterior to the universe, and makes it not interact with it. To me, that seems like a polite way of saying "I don't believe in God, but don't want to upset those that do by saying I don't." Like the founding fathers of the US. They wanted a secular nation that was separate from any belief they had... but now most people think they were Christian and the US was founded on Christian morals.
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#58 RaptorPen
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Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]I don't see how it is. In any case panendeism isn't deism: "belief in a god who is both panentheistic and deistic, e.g. a god who contains all of the universe, but who nevertheless transcends or has some existence separate from the universe, who does interact, but does not necessarily intervene in the universe, and that a personal relationship can be achieved with it. "foxhound_fox
I know, I was making a broad statement. Deism puts "God" exterior to the universe, and makes it not interact with it. To me, that seems like a polite way of saying "I don't believe in God, but don't want to upset those that do by saying I don't." Like the founding fathers of the US. They wanted a secular nation that was separate from any belief they had... but now most people think they were Christian and the US was founded on Christian morals.

Well even though there maybe are alot of people who use it as a polite form of Atheism, the inherent idea of Deism is not Atheistic in any way IMO. Obviously since you still believe in God. Personally I've always believe in God and I considered Deism, and what brought me to consider it was my belief in God. But that's just me of course.

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#60 foxhound_fox
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Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.RaptorPen
But enough talk... have at you!
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#61 jesuschristmonk
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Religion is never going to go away.

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#62 SPYDER0416
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According to Futurama, Atheism will become the worship of Atheism and become its own religion.

So never, because its human nature, and Futurama is never wrong.

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with the world becoming more and connected i'd say it'll last another 400-500 years until its pretty much non exsistant. old habits take longer to change and parents will pass it onto their kids who pass it onto theirs. it'll take a few hundred years to come around. but it is a when question, not an if.
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#64 Joshywaa
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I hope it goes away soon

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#65 alexside1
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According to Futurama, Atheism will become the worship of Atheism and become its own religion.

So never, because its human nature, and Futurama is never wrong.

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*insert futurama religion related joke*
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According to Futurama, Atheism will become the worship of Atheism and become its own religion.

So never, because its human nature, and Futurama is never wrong.

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South Park.

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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]with the world becoming more and connected i'd say it'll last another 400-500 years until its pretty much non exsistant. old habits take longer to change and parents will pass it onto their kids who pass it onto theirs. it'll take a few hundred years to come around. but it is a when question, not an if.

Hey, mind share that crystal ball of yours?
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Let's hope it ends soon.
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Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.
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[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"]with the world becoming more and connected i'd say it'll last another 400-500 years until its pretty much non exsistant. old habits take longer to change and parents will pass it onto their kids who pass it onto theirs. it'll take a few hundred years to come around. but it is a when question, not an if.

Hey, mind share that crystal ball of yours?

OP asked our opinion thats mine
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Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.the_plan_man
actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out
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#72 PolygonBust
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How long do you think it will be until humanity stops practicing religion, if ever?

If Jesus could spread Christianity and make it as popular as he did, then I don't see why someone can't spread atheism and make it as popular as organized religion. If someone were to try and spread atheism and make it worldwide, what steps do you think they would have to take?

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I got a better question:

How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?

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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.theSteeeeels
actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out

Many modern Christians (I can at least speak for the Methodist church I attend), take a lot of that kind of text allegorical (Noah's Ark, creation, Tower of Babel, ect.) as allegorical, and not literal scientific text, and contend that it never was meant to be taken as such.
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.theSteeeeels
actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out

Your clueless.

Where does religion say that the Earth is flat? The Old Testament clearly states that God made Earth in the shape of a dome. Your other criticisms of religion "being replacced by science" are laughable. Talking snakes, a man walking on water, resurrection, etc. would be examples of divinity or supernaturality, not science.

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[QUOTE="goobertaco45"]

How long do you think it will be until humanity stops practicing religion, if ever?

If Jesus could spread Christianity and make it as popular as he did, then I don't see why someone can't spread atheism and make it as popular as organized religion. If someone were to try and spread atheism and make it worldwide, what steps do you think they would have to take?

PolygonBust

I got a better question:

How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?

When people stop believing in stories made by primitive humanity who most knew nothing beyond the borders of their country. Let alone the creation of a universe so large and powerful, it makes god look like a gnat.
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Religion answers "why" to these same questions.the_plan_man
One doesn't need a deity or a 2000 year-old book to answer them.
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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.the_plan_man
actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out

Many modern Christians (I can at least speak for the Methodist church I attend), take a lot of that kind of text allegorical (Noah's Ark, creation, Tower of Babel, ect.) as allegorical, and not literal scientific text, and contend that it never was meant to be taken as such.

Which raises the question of how long until the story of Jesus becomes allegorical.

So many stories in the bible are now seem as metaphors, eventually the whole thing will be seem as one and they wouldn't actually believe any of it. Yet they will still worship it.

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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.the_plan_man
actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out

Many modern Christians (I can at least speak for the Methodist church I attend), take a lot of that kind of text allegorical (Noah's Ark, creation, Tower of Babel, ect.) as allegorical, and not literal scientific text, and contend that it never was meant to be taken as such.

lol 'modern christians' like for 2,000 years people didnt think that? even now they still do Gods word must be good as gold if it can be taken so out of context, that people dont know whats real or not!
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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion will never go away. Science answers how to the formation of the universe; while there are still gaps, science will eventually fill these gaps with time. Religion answers "why" to these same questions.PolygonBust

actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out

Your clueless.

Where does religion say that the Earth is flat? The Old Testament clearly states that God made Earth in the shape of a dome. Your other criticisms of religion "being replacced by science" are laughable. Talking snakes, a man walking on water, resurrection, etc. would be examples of divinity or supernaturality, not science.

and when was the last time anything divine happened?

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How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?PolygonBust
When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"] actually, no they dont because when science fills the gaps it will contradict the things these religions say (it already has in some cases) e.g., the world being flat, talking snakes, a man walking on water, being resurrected, parting the oceans etc. people still choose to believe right now, but when eventually more and more (like there isnt enough already) will become known and it will die out

Many modern Christians (I can at least speak for the Methodist church I attend), take a lot of that kind of text allegorical (Noah's Ark, creation, Tower of Babel, ect.) as allegorical, and not literal scientific text, and contend that it never was meant to be taken as such.

lol 'modern christians' like for 2,000 years people didnt think that? even now they still do Gods word must be good as gold if it can be taken so out of context, that people dont know whats real or not!

Even many earlier Christians saw some stories as allegorical text, and not literal scientific text. One does not need to take all scientific elements literally to take them seriously. (i.e. "7" is a number of divinity, so that is why it is symbolic, while many of us who believe in the gap theory believe it represented much longer increments of time).
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[QUOTE="PolygonBust"]How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?foxhound_fox
When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.

If that were the case then tell them to stop barking the god damn wrong tree.
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion answers "why" to these same questions.foxhound_fox
One doesn't need a deity or a 2000 year-old book to answer them.

Either the forces of nature act by themselves, or some sort of deity orchestrates them. Also, I thought you described yourself as an "agnostic theist." :?
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Many modern Christians (I can at least speak for the Methodist church I attend), take a lot of that kind of text allegorical (Noah's Ark, creation, Tower of Babel, ect.) as allegorical, and not literal scientific text, and contend that it never was meant to be taken as such.

lol 'modern christians' like for 2,000 years people didnt think that? even now they still do Gods word must be good as gold if it can be taken so out of context, that people dont know whats real or not!

Even many earlier Christians saw some stories as allegorical text, and not literal scientific text. One does not need to take all scientific elements literally to take them seriously. (i.e. "7" is a number of divinity, so that is why it is symbolic, while many of us who believe in the gap theory believe it represented much longer increments of time).

fantastic! "and god created the world in 7 days" people believe that later people start thinking 'wait, that makes no sense... i know! its a METEEFOR!" like someone else said, how long until jesus turns into a methaphor? then God? molding things to fit your preconceieved ideals. plain idiotic
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#85 PolygonBust
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[QUOTE="PolygonBust"]

[QUOTE="goobertaco45"]

How long do you think it will be until humanity stops practicing religion, if ever?

If Jesus could spread Christianity and make it as popular as he did, then I don't see why someone can't spread atheism and make it as popular as organized religion. If someone were to try and spread atheism and make it worldwide, what steps do you think they would have to take?

Human-after-all

I got a better question:

How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?

When people stop believing in stories made by primitive humanity who most knew nothing beyond the borders of their country. Let alone the creation of a universe so large and powerful, it makes god look like a gnat.

Primitive humanity was responisble for some pretty ingenious things (The Pyramids, Stonehenge, mummification) things modern man can't figure out. Yet they're so dumb to believe in such nonsensical things?

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[QUOTE="PolygonBust"]How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?foxhound_fox
When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.

There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religion
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The Old Testament clearly states that God made Earth in the shape of a dome.

PolygonBust

You know that a dome have a flat part right? And the earth being describe as a circle even though there a Jewish word for sphere right?

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[QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] lol 'modern christians' like for 2,000 years people didnt think that? even now they still do Gods word must be good as gold if it can be taken so out of context, that people dont know whats real or not!

Even many earlier Christians saw some stories as allegorical text, and not literal scientific text. One does not need to take all scientific elements literally to take them seriously. (i.e. "7" is a number of divinity, so that is why it is symbolic, while many of us who believe in the gap theory believe it represented much longer increments of time).

fantastic! "and god created the world in 7 days" people believe that later people start thinking 'wait, that makes no sense... i know! its a METEEFOR!" like someone else said, how long until jesus turns into a methaphor? then God? molding things to fit your preconceieved ideals. plain idiotic

I don't see that happening, but maybe that's just me.
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Religion is never going to go away.

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#90 the_plan_man
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="PolygonBust"]How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?themajormayor
When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.

There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religion

True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."
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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="PolygonBust"]

I got a better question:

How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?

PolygonBust

When people stop believing in stories made by primitive humanity who most knew nothing beyond the borders of their country. Let alone the creation of a universe so large and powerful, it makes god look like a gnat.

Primitive humanity was responisble for some pretty ingenious things (The Pyramids, Stonehenge, mummification) things modern man can't figure out. Yet they're so dumb to believe in such nonsensical things?

And I bet they did it all without the help of god. Oh and we have figured them out for the most part. Believe me I am not taking away from civilizations that built impressive structures, I am more baffled by the fact that people 2000+ years later would still believe in their tall tales.
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#92 PolygonBust
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[QUOTE="PolygonBust"]How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?foxhound_fox
When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.

LOL.

Don't you atheists ever get tired of this rhetoric? That a disbeleif in a God or gods automatically makes you any wiser or more of a "free thinker" than theists? Some of the best thinkers, philosophers, and scientists throughout history have held a belief in God (or gods); so your point is moot.

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#93 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.the_plan_man
There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religion

True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."

To not believe in something that has zero evidence supporting it is "asinine"? What ever you say, mate.

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#94 eboyishere
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I never understood why people get so crazy over people NOT being atheist, it's like it bothers people that they have spiritual beliefs :?

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#95 theSteeeeels
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="theSteeeeels"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Even many earlier Christians saw some stories as allegorical text, and not literal scientific text. One does not need to take all scientific elements literally to take them seriously. (i.e. "7" is a number of divinity, so that is why it is symbolic, while many of us who believe in the gap theory believe it represented much longer increments of time).

fantastic! "and god created the world in 7 days" people believe that later people start thinking 'wait, that makes no sense... i know! its a METEEFOR!" like someone else said, how long until jesus turns into a methaphor? then God? molding things to fit your preconceieved ideals. plain idiotic

I don't see that happening, but maybe that's just me.

it already has happened. if yo dont think for 2,000 years, and even to this day, people take the bible literally, then you are stupid. because they do. did you know there are 40,000 different sectors of christianity. 40,000 different beliefs of the one book. what a ridiculous scheme.
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#96 foxhound_fox
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Either the forces of nature act by themselves, or some sort of deity orchestrates them. Also, I thought you described yourself as an "agnostic theist." :?

I've made some personal discoveries very recently that have me much more cemented in atheism. I spent years searching religions for the answers and found them without it. I've always been against organized religion, and am fine if people want to believe something orchestrates the universe... but it's not for me. The shear beauty of the universe was enough for me to find the answers I needed to find. All of the evidence, to me, suggests that the universe is completely natural, and it's laws are all that is required for it to function and create the awe-inspiring magnificence of nature. There is definitely a negative side to religion, because it is a creation of humanity, it should be susceptible to criticism and those who commit injustices in the name of it (whether that is their primary motivation or not). It over-complicates things, and to me at least, is completely unnecessary for me to life my life to it's fullest.
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#97 the_plan_man
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religiontoast_burner

True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."

To not believe in something that has zero evidence supporting it is "asinine". What ever you say, mate.

Yeah, the idea that god does not exist has zero evidence to support it, and therefore is asinine, as are many of the supporters.
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#98 Heisenderp
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Religion answers "why" to these same questions.the_plan_man
One doesn't need a deity or a 2000 year-old book to answer them.

Either the forces of nature act by themselves, or some sort of deity orchestrates them. Also, I thought you described yourself as an "agnostic theist." :?

Yay for false dichotomy!
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#99 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] When those of belief cease their oppression and suppression of free thought and discovery.

There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religion

True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."

I agree with that quote. The discoveries by science so far only strengthens my faith and my faith strengthens my curiosity of the universe and its mysteries.
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#100 Heisenderp
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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."the_plan_man

To not believe in something that has zero evidence supporting it is "asinine". What ever you say, mate.

Yeah, the idea that god does not exist has zero evidence to support it, and therefore is asinine, as are many of the supporters.

Retardation level: unfathomable.