The end of religion

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Actually he didn't considered himself pantheist. He has been described a panentheist though.foxhound_fox

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist."

So as I said he did not consider himself pantheist and there are others who refer to him as panentheist.

And as far as I know Panentheism doesn't necessarily means belief in a personal God. In any case I think we'll never know his true religious belief since he was very vague about it and often what he said was contradictive.

guys guys guys

come on

stop arguing

god obviously doesn't exist

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Racists don't kill because they're white or black. They kill because they hate what is different to them.

toast_burner

I don't really understand what you mean with the first sentence. And the religious people who kill also kill because they hate what's different to them.

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I don't really understand what you mean with the first sentence. And the religious people who kill also kill because they hate what's different to them.

themajormayor

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]But in religions such as christianity or Islam, their holy books actually command them to kill. Racists don't have some preset book of rules telling them why to be racist, christians do.

toast_burner

Your sidestepping this. Lot of people claim that they follow the bible and don't go on a murderous killing spree. So ethier your statement that the holy books command them to kill is wrong, that they didn't follow instructions, or they don't reach the same conclusion way as you do.

guys guys guys

come on

stop arguing

god obviously doesn't exist

Joshywaa

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[QUOTE="alexside1"] So why don't we every religious people going on a killing spree then?alexside1

Your sidestepping this. Lot of people claim that they follow the bible and don't go on a murderous killing spree. So ethier your statement that the holy books command them to kill is wrong, that they didn't follow instructions, or they don't reach the same conclusion way as you do.

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Look at middle east where they kill homosexuals because the Qur'an tells them too. toast_burner

I speak for myself when I say this, but I can not bring myself to believe that the universe just exist by itself. I can't describe it in detail. I just view it as dividing by zero.alexside1

Religion will never stop existing, as long as there are poor people who have no outlet of help.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Well what comes right off my mind is that Hebrew was banned in the Soviet, since it was the religious language of the Jews, but not Yidish. And as far as I know the Czars didn't control the "Synagogue" in that way. So the power excuse can't be used in this case.foxhound_fox

This was from the top of my head. I can easily read on wikipedia and find more basis for my statmenet. In any case why are you ignoring this. Why would they ban Hebrew and not Yidish? Anyway some quotes:

"State atheism inAlbaniawas taken to an extreme ... when religions ... were banned altogether."

"The Communist Party [of China] has said that religious belief and membership are incompatible. Party membership is a necessity for many high level careers and posts."

"...after theBay of Pigs Invasion,Cubabegan arresting many believers and shutting down religious schools."

Just a few examples.

And I don't understand you last sentence.

I speak for myself when I say this, but I can not bring myself to believe that the universe just exist by itself. I can't describe it in detail. I just view it as dividing by zero.foxhound_fox

I'm sorry, but it's something I can't force myself to bring words to this. It just strikes me as divided by zero error. Logical error. That's the best I can describe my mind on this. I do not think it's something that science will one day will discover it. It's something we can only discover whatever he exist or not. That's why I'm fine with people not believing in the existence of god.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] So you don't believe in Extra-terrestrial life then? Cause there is no proof behind it whatsoever. themajormayor

With god there is no evidence so until I see some, the likeliness that he exists is pretty much zero.

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themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]But in religions such as christianity or Islam, their holy books actually command them to kill. Racists don't have some preset book of rules telling them why to be racist, christians do.

toast_burner

Does it really says it's ok to kill atheists?

Also just cause Islam is based of Christianity doesn't mean they are the same thing or that one can be judged based on the other. And the Torah is part of the Bible btw. Just saying.

Anyway I don't follow the Bible so it's not my job to interpret it and defend it. It also says to kill anyone who works on Shabat and I don't think that's happened in a couple of millenia. So there are many Jews, Christians and Muslims who don't follow this literally and still are very religious. It's up to them to defend their views not mine. Since we were talking about religion in general I can't discuss when you bring up just this one example. And btw Christianity rever much of what's in the Old Testament.

End of religion is never going to come. People always need a false hope to believe in.

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I never said it was the halfway point.

Maybe but that's not the word he used to describe himself. And when did you cover the personal part? As I said Panentheism doesn't neccesarily imply a personal God AFAIK.

How is that a false analogy? I think it's a good analogy. Just, because you didn't play that certain game that doesn't make you a non-video gamer. You can't not be a and not a at the same time. An atheist doesn't believe in any god AT ALL. None of this less than one crap. alexside1

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Well as I said though this means also that those who doesn't kill are refraining to do so because there books are telling them not to. And then my belief for example which isn't based on any books has nothing to do with this. Also I don't know many incidents where any killings actually can be justified by the bible. themajormayor

Does it really says it's ok to kill atheists?

Also just cause Islam is based of Christianity doesn't mean they are the same thing or that one can be judged based on the other. And the Torah is part of the Bible btw. Just saying.

Anyway I don't follow the Bible so it's not my job to interpret it and defend it. It also says to kill anyone who works on Shabat and I don't think that's happened in a couple of millenia. So there are many Jews, Christians and Muslims who don't follow this literally and still are very religious. It's up to them to defend their views not mine. Since we were talking about religion in general I can't discuss when you bring up just this one example. And btw Christianity rever much of what's in the Old Testament.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The bible says it's ok to kill homosexuals and atheists. It also says it's ok to rape women and force thm to marry you. In some Islamic countries these laws are actually enforced. (BTW Islam is based off christianity, sortof like how the bible is based off the torah)

NEWMAHAY

Does it really says it's ok to kill atheists?

Also just cause Islam is based of Christianity doesn't mean they are the same thing or that one can be judged based on the other. And the Torah is part of the Bible btw. Just saying.

Anyway I don't follow the Bible so it's not my job to interpret it and defend it. It also says to kill anyone who works on Shabat and I don't think that's happened in a couple of millenia. So there are many Jews, Christians and Muslims who don't follow this literally and still are very religious. It's up to them to defend their views not mine. Since we were talking about religion in general I can't discuss when you bring up just this one example. And btw Christianity rever much of what's in the Old Testament.

Orthodoxy will never die :D

How long do you think it will be until humanity stops practicing religion, if ever?

If Jesus could spread Christianity and make it as popular as he did, then I don't see why someone can't spread atheism and make it as popular as organized religion. If someone were to try and spread atheism and make it worldwide, what steps do you think they would have to take?

goobertaco45

some wild speculation...

Most likely never, but people will probably stop practicing Christianity and the worship of Jesus perhaps when the Age of Pisces is finished, as Jesus will be given the title as the great deceiver of the world that will be defeated by the new solar deity that will replace Jesus when the Age of Aquarius is in place.

:twisted:

Do you when it comes to religion?themajormayor

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Look at middle east where they kill homosexuals because the Qur'an tells them too. foxhound_fox

I speak for myself when I say this, but I can not bring myself to believe that the universe just exist by itself. I can't describe it in detail. I just view it as dividing by zero.alexside1

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Do you when it comes to religion?foxhound_fox

But I won't continue here until you come up with some serious examples where someone was motivated by their atheism (and not a God complex) to suppress the freedom of thought, belief and speech.

"Various motives have been proposed for the monarchs' decision to fund the Inquisition such as increasing political authority, weakening opposition, suppressingconversos, profiting from confiscation of the property of convicted heretics, reducing social tensions and protecting the kingdom from the danger of afifth column."

Why don't you come up with the same for religion? And how is this not a way of surpressing freedom of thought and belief because of Atheism? Let's just take the first most simple example which was the banning of Hebrew.

Also, why are you deferring the question to me when it was posed to you first? Usually in a debate, the one who is given a question answers it before asking one of their opponent.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="PolygonBust"]How long until butthurt atheists stop b****ing about religion?foxhound_fox

did you guys know that it mohels used to use their mouth to suck blood from the wound during a circumcision?

gross

did you guys know that it mohels used to use their mouth to suck blood from the wound during a circumcision?

gross

Joshywaa

A very unorthodox jeiwsh practice mind you :?

He's outside the known universe(s), and faith is all we have of him.the_plan_man

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]He's outside the known universe(s), and faith is all we have of him.foxhound_fox

Religions such as Atheism and Christianity will always be here as long we dont understand everything about the universe.

Religions such as Atheism and Christianity will always be here as long we dont understand everything about the universe.

slipknot0129

Oh da can o worms.

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

did you guys know that it mohels used to use their mouth to suck blood from the wound during a circumcision?

gross

Philokalia

A very unorthodox jeiwsh practice mind you :?

i get it

Religion may never go away, until one day something can actually prove or disprove religion for the masses. Personally I don't consider myself religious nor athiest. I just don't really apply any of it to my life and just keep going. But I'm not one to judge on what's right or wrong. So personally I don't see religion leaving anytime soon. Cause for some people religion helps them through challenges in life.

Despite the fact I am Christian, I honestly don't see religion as a major force within the next 1,000-2,000 years.

Imagine a world without religion. It would be amazing.

Imagine a world without religion. It would be amazing.

Vaultboy-101

Oh I could imagine a world without italright :| Amazing it would be not.

Imagine a world without religion. It would be amazing.

Vaultboy-101

Its becoming less and less popular.

I don't care what anyone else says, this generation is definitely more open minded than the previous ones.

RandomWinner

Until there is 100% proof that god does not exist. until then religion will continue.

Until there is 100% proof that god does not exist. until then religion will continue.

Nolan16

Despite the fact I am Christian, I honestly don't see religion as a major force within the next 1,000-2,000 years.

WiiCubeM1

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]

Until there is 100% proof that god does not exist. until then religion will continue.

GrayF0X786

People will always believe different things.

When Christ comes back.