The end of religion

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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."the_plan_man

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[QUOTE="the_plan_man"] True. I find atheism to be one of the more asinine trains of thought, IMO. As Einstein quoted, "Religion without science is weak, science without religion is lame."the_plan_man

You can't prove that something doesn't exist, that's not how it works. If you can't prove it exists then you know it doesn't. I can't find evidence that unicorns don't exist but because nobody has ever seen one we know that they don't exist.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religiontoast_burner

There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religionthemajormayor

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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] When people stop believing in stories made by primitive humanity who most knew nothing beyond the borders of their country. Let alone the creation of a universe so large and powerful, it makes god look like a gnat. Human-after-all

Primitive humanity was responisble for some pretty ingenious things (The Pyramids, Stonehenge, mummification) things modern man can't figure out. Yet they're so dumb to believe in such nonsensical things?

Totally missed the point.

You called them primitive, implying either stupidity or inferiority. I pointed to examples of great works, works that needed a high amount of intelligence in orderto concieve. Therefore, clearly, the phenomenon viewed and expressed though "primitive" man could not have been the result of their lack of knowledge towards the world around them.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religionfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]There are atheists who do the same. So it's nothing exclusive for religionthemajormayor

Stalin didn't like people disagreeing with him, if he were christinan he would have done the same thing to atheists.

Yeah, the idea that god does not exist has zero evidence to support it, and therefore is asinine, as are many of the supporters.the_plan_man

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] Their atheism isn't what motivated them to do it. Care to name some examples that don't involve Stalinist/Maoist dictators?toast_burner

Stalin didn't like people disagreeing with him, if he were christinan he would have done the same thing to atheists.

Aren't you confusing Atheism with Apathy?

Sounds like every religious person that has ever done something bad. Religious people were killied because they were religious, religion was banned. That's all I need really.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Yeah, the idea that god does not exist has zero evidence to support it, and therefore is asinine, as are many of the supporters.foxhound_fox

Yes their are cases where their atheism did motivate them and resulted in persecution of suppression(to say the least) of any religious thought. But yes I was thinking about the soviet rule.themajormayor

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Yes their are cases where their atheism did motivate them and resulted in persecution of suppression(to say the least) of any religious thought. But yes I was thinking about the soviet rule.

themajormayor

Stalin didn't like people disagreeing with him, if he were christinan he would have done the same thing to atheists.

Aren't you confusing Atheism with Apathy?

Sounds like every religious person that has ever done something bad. Religious people were killied because they were religious, religion was banned. That's all I need really.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Yes their are cases where their atheism did motivate them and resulted in persecution of suppression(to say the least) of any religious thought. But yes I was thinking about the soviet rule.foxhound_fox

This is not just Stalin. It began prior to his rule. And in any case, people were killed and persecuted because they were religious. And now this is "excused" because he was paranoid. You can make similar excuses for religious leader.

I agree there is a negative side to religion, but I also see a negative side to atheism that I've recently found. Many times they suspend logic just as much as theists do, and, quite bull-headedly, assert that the universe's forces act by themselves. I've always believed the agnostic is the most rational person, which is why I consider myself an agnostic Methodist, because there is just too much uncertainty in this world to acclaim whether or not a higher power orchestrated creation, or whether it acted by itself.the_plan_man

I think the word atheism is unneeded. We don't have a name for people who don't believe in Father Christmas or someone who doesn't believe in unicorns, why do we need one for people who don't believe in god?

Religion has a massive rule book (the bible).

toast_burner

Not every religion has "the bible" (as in Christian bible) your ignorance is showing.

He was an agnostic pantheist, and believed any kind of affirmative statement about these universal questions was not of best judgement.the_plan_man

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Atheism isn't a ideology. You can't be motivated by nothing, that would mean you weren't motivated.

Stalin didn't like people disagreeing with him, if he were christinan he would have done the same thing to atheists.

toast_burner

Aren't you confusing Atheism with Apathy?

Sounds like every religious person that has ever done something bad. Religious people were killied because they were religious, religion was banned. That's all I need really.

lol at the first sentence.

Anyway, the rule book of all religions (apparently) has a rule that say thou shalt not kill and many others. So you could also say the reason all religious people that don't kill people refrain from it because of their religion. Also my belief has no rules or books so it can't apply to all people. And finally religious people were persecuted because of their religion. Someone, sometime must've killed them because of their atheism. People are killing people in the name of their ethnicities and ethnicities doesn't have any sentences at all.

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Religion has a massive rule book (the bible).

alexside1

Not every religion has "the bible" (as in Christian bible) your ignorance is showing.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"]Yeah, the idea that god does not exist has zero evidence to support it, and therefore is asinine, as are many of the supporters.the_plan_man

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Aren't you confusing Atheism with Apathy?

Sounds like every religious person that has ever done something bad. Religious people were killied because they were religious, religion was banned. That's all I need really.

themajormayor

lol at the first sentence.

Anyway, the rule book of all religions (apparently) has a rule that say thou shalt not kill and many others. So you could also say the reason all religious people that don't kill people refrain from it because of their religion. Also my belief has no rules or books so it can't apply to all people. And finally religious people were persecuted because of their religion. Someone, sometime must've killed them because of their atheism. People are killing people in the name of their ethnicities and ethnicities doesn't have any sentences at all.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]I agree there is a negative side to religion, but I also see a negative side to atheism that I've recently found. Many times they suspend logic just as much as theists do, and, quite bull-headedly, assert that the universe's forces act by themselves. I've always believed the agnostic is the most rational person, which is why I consider myself an agnostic Methodist, because there is just too much uncertainty in this world to acclaim whether or not a higher power orchestrated creation, or whether it acted by itself.foxhound_fox

This is not just Stalin. It began prior to his rule. And in any case, people were killed and persecuted because they were religious. And now this is "excused" because he was paranoid. You can make similar excuses for religious leader.themajormayor

Everyone is an atheist... self-identified "atheists" just take their atheism one step further.foxhound_fox

Note: I hate this fourm ****

That doesn't make any sense. That like saying that he/she a non-video gamer, because you don't have every video game made known to man. And we all know that's incorrect.

You ether are or you arn't.

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Religion has a massive rule book (the bible). The beliefs of atheism is just one sentence "I don't believe there is a god" No way could you interpret that into killing all religious people. Anything you do is unrelated to the fact that your an atheist.

toast_burner

lol at the first sentence.

Anyway, the rule book of all religions (apparently) has a rule that say thou shalt not kill and many others. So you could also say the reason all religious people that don't kill people refrain from it because of their religion. Also my belief has no rules or books so it can't apply to all people. And finally religious people were persecuted because of their religion. Someone, sometime must've killed them because of their atheism. People are killing people in the name of their ethnicities and ethnicities doesn't have any sentences at all.

I don't really understand what you mean with the first sentence. And the religious people who kill also kill because they hate what's different to them.

[QUOTE="Heisenderp"][QUOTE="the_plan_man"] Atheists assert "there is no god." An agnostic asserts nothing. I assert the possibility of the Christian god, and am more in-line with the Methodist's train of thought, so I am an agnostic Methodist.themajormayor

There is evidence, but no proof.

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Primitive humanity was responisble for some pretty ingenious things (The Pyramids, Stonehenge, mummification) things modern man can't figure out. Yet they're so dumb to believe in such nonsensical things?

PolygonBust

Totally missed the point.

You called them primitive, implying either stupidity or inferiority. I pointed to examples of great works, works that needed a high amount of intelligence in orderto concieve. Therefore, clearly, the phenomenon viewed and expressed though "primitive" man could not have been the result of their lack of knowledge towards the world around them.

Actually he didn't considered himself pantheist. He has been described a panentheist though.themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assertion Know the meaning of words before using them. An assertion is the positive claim. Is is physically impossible to prove that something doesn't exist, so it's absolutely ridiculous to require evidence for non-existence before not believing in something. I guess you also have to consider the possibility that a giant Yeti from an alternate universe farted to create the universe too.toast_burner

The is evidence, but no proof.

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lol at the first sentence.

Anyway, the rule book of all religions (apparently) has a rule that say thou shalt not kill and many others. So you could also say the reason all religious people that don't kill people refrain from it because of their religion. Also my belief has no rules or books so it can't apply to all people. And finally religious people were persecuted because of their religion. Someone, sometime must've killed them because of their atheism. People are killing people in the name of their ethnicities and ethnicities doesn't have any sentences at all.

themajormayor

I don't really understand what you mean with the first sentence. And the religious people who kill also kill because they hate what's different to them.

I just see it as more rational to believe SOME kind of god orchestrates the properties of nature, whether he be deistic or theistic.the_plan_man

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[QUOTE="toast_burner"]Racists don't kill because they're white or black. They kill because they hate what is different to them.

toast_burner

I don't really understand what you mean with the first sentence. And the religious people who kill also kill because they hate what's different to them.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]This is not just Stalin. It began prior to his rule. And in any case, people were killed and persecuted because they were religious. And now this is "excused" because he was paranoid. You can make similar excuses for religious leader.foxhound_fox

Well what comes right off my mind is that Hebrew was banned in the Soviet, since it was the religious language of the Jews, but not Yidish. And as far as I know the Czars didn't control the "Synagogue" in that way. So the power excuse can't be used in this case.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Heisenderp"] http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assertion Know the meaning of words before using them. An assertion is the positive claim. Is is physically impossible to prove that something doesn't exist, so it's absolutely ridiculous to require evidence for non-existence before not believing in something. I guess you also have to consider the possibility that a giant Yeti from an alternate universe farted to create the universe too.toast_burner

There is evidence, but no proof.

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I don't really understand what you mean with the first sentence. And the religious people who kill also kill because they hate what's different to them.

alexside1

Look at middle east where they kill homosexuals because the Qur'an tells them too. Christian countries like Uganda are almost just as bad.

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]I just see it as more rational to believe SOME kind of god orchestrates the properties of nature, whether he be deistic or theistic.foxhound_fox

Well what comes right off my mind is that Hebrew was banned in the Soviet, since it was the religious language of the Jews, but not Yidish. And as far as I know the Czars didn't control the "Synagogue" in that way. So the power excuse can't be used in this case.themajormayor

[QUOTE="the_plan_man"]I just see it as more rational to believe SOME kind of god orchestrates the properties of nature, whether he be deistic or theistic.foxhound_fox