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#101 Lordofinternet
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[QUOTE="Ncsoftlover"]

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Banning weed worked out well.

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purpose, one is a recreational drug, the other is created with the only purpose to kill to assault, a lethal weapon.

You seem to be very cofused. Kiling is not the only purpose of guns.

I can kill with a paint ball gun? it was made to kill?
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Just my opinion.. People are generally stupid. Stupid people should not be allowed to posess something that quickly and efficiently kill someone. Putting all these shootings on some crazies isnt good enough for me and hasnt done anything to stop them. Countries with capable governments and strict gun laws dont have these problems.

Giving up the right to own guns, which have no other use besides killing, is worth seeing no more innocents dead. And if not outright banning, I cant see how anyone could argue against making gun restrictions much stricter.

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No other use than killing? Self-defense seems like a good reason to me. And yes, there is a difference between the two.

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FIRST off WAY more crimes happen with illegal guns. SECOND off These illegal guns from brazil/Mexico and small amount is stolen guns. Go do some research on it. You will clearly see people who own a gun legally the crime rate for ALL gun related crimes are below 10%
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

Just my opinion.. People are generally stupid. Stupid people should not be allowed to posess something that quickly and efficiently kill someone. Putting all these shootings on some crazies isnt good enough for me and hasnt done anything to stop them. Countries with capable governments and strict gun laws dont have these problems.

Giving up the right to own guns, which have no other use besides killing, is worth seeing no more innocents dead. And if not outright banning, I cant see how anyone could argue against making gun restrictions much stricter.

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You seem to be very confused. Guns have use besides killing.

Name one thats useful and not capable of being done with something else.

Paint ball guns are used to kill?
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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] You seem to be very confused. Guns have use besides killing.

Name one thats useful and not capable of being done with something else.

Paint ball guns are used to kill?

Yeah because im talking about paintball guns and supersoakers, not firearms...
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] Name one thats useful and not capable of being done with something else.

Paint ball guns are used to kill?

Yeah because im talking about paintball guns and supersoakers, not firearms...

BB gus are made to kill people? BB guns aren't fire arms? Paint ball guns are considered firearms by lawmakers as well. nice putting bb's and paintballs in the same line with supersoakers.
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] You seem to be very confused. Guns have use besides killing.

Name one thats useful and not capable of being done with something else.

Pistol target shooting, gun collecting, biathlon competition. Sorry, I named 3.

All three are hobbies, so nope not useful. Plus all three can be adequately done with other things.
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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"] Paint ball guns are used to kill?

Yeah because im talking about paintball guns and supersoakers, not firearms...

BB gus are made to kill people? BB guns aren't fire arms? Paint ball guns are considered firearms by lawmakers as well. nice putting bb's and paintballs in the same line with supersoakers.

Twist my words however you want. You know I'm talking about lethal firearms, not recreational firearms.
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] Yeah because im talking about paintball guns and supersoakers, not firearms...

BB gus are made to kill people? BB guns aren't fire arms? Paint ball guns are considered firearms by lawmakers as well. nice putting bb's and paintballs in the same line with supersoakers.

Twist my words however you want. You know I'm talking about lethal firearms, not recreational firearms.

it doesn't matter what you talk about because firearams like handguns are in many area considered recreational and BB guns are politcially correctly labeled the same type of "firearm" as a gun, so I am spinnning nothing, you can't argue gun laws when you don't even know what's involved in the law in the first place.
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Pistol target shooting, gun collecting, biathlon competition. Sorry, I named 3. thegerg
All three are hobbies, so nope not useful. Plus all three can be adequately done with other things.

You seem to be very confused. Pistol target shooing can't be done without a pistol. The biathlon is a sport which consists of skiing and rifle shooting, you need a rifle to do it. Gun collectors need guns in order to collect them. To say you can do those things without guns is simply incorrect. Also, simply because something is a hobby does not make it useless.

He's also assuming every gun ever made is going to kill someone one day.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Pistol target shooting, gun collecting, biathlon competition. Sorry, I named 3.

All three are hobbies, so nope not useful. Plus all three can be adequately done with other things.

You seem to be very confused. Pistol target shooing can't be done without a pistol. The biathlon is a sport which consists of skiing and rifle shooting, you need a rifle to do it. Gun collectors need guns in order to collect them. To say you can do those things without guns is simply incorrect. Also, simply because something is a hobby does not make it useless.

You can shoot targets without a gun.. You don't have to ski and shoot (which sounds really stupid) you could ski and do literally anything else, run maybe? .. You can collect literally anything, you don't need to collect guns. If these are the best uses you can think of.. Guns are used to kill..."b-but you can shoot targets too!" Cool, get a paintball gun, you dont need bullets to hit a target. Plus doing these petty things are not worth all the horrible things that come with guns.
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#114 Rattlesnake_8
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Goddamnit we both created alternate threads at the same time <.<.

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You should use guns to sort it out.. how about an old fashioned duel?
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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"] BB gus are made to kill people? BB guns aren't fire arms? Paint ball guns are considered firearms by lawmakers as well. nice putting bb's and paintballs in the same line with supersoakers.

Twist my words however you want. You know I'm talking about lethal firearms, not recreational firearms.

it doesn't matter what you talk about because firearams like handguns are in many area considered recreational and BB guns are politcially correctly labeled the same type of "firearm" as a gun, so I am spinnning nothing, you can't argue gun laws when you don't even know what's involved in the law in the first place.

You're not attacking my argument, you're attacking my language/phrasing. You are just nitpicking something you disagree with because you have nothing of value to add. You know i'm not talking about guns that fire pellets, BBs, or paintballs, or water.
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#116 DaJuicyMan
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] All three are hobbies, so nope not useful. Plus all three can be adequately done with other things.DJ419

You seem to be very confused. Pistol target shooing can't be done without a pistol. The biathlon is a sport which consists of skiing and rifle shooting, you need a rifle to do it. Gun collectors need guns in order to collect them. To say you can do those things without guns is simply incorrect. Also, simply because something is a hobby does not make it useless.

He's also assuming every gun ever made is going to kill someone one day.

I never made that assumption, ever, anywhere.
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] You seem to be very confused. Pistol target shooing can't be done without a pistol. The biathlon is a sport which consists of skiing and rifle shooting, you need a rifle to do it. Gun collectors need guns in order to collect them. To say you can do those things without guns is simply incorrect. Also, simply because something is a hobby does not make it useless.

You can shoot targets without a gun.. You don't have to ski and shoot (which sounds really stupid) you could ski and do literally anything else, run maybe? .. You can collect literally anything, you don't need to collect guns. If these are the best uses you can think of.. Guns are used to kill..."b-but you can shoot targets too!" Cool, get a paintball gun, you dont need bullets to hit a target. Plus doing these petty things are not worth all the horrible things that come with guns.

Of course you can shoot targets without a gun. However, you can't partake in pistol competitions without a pistol or a biathlon without a rifle. I was simply answering your question. Instead of arguing you should say "thank you." Anyway, those are not the "best uses" of a gun. Simply uses other than killing, which you (for some ignorant reason) did not believe existed.

It's like saying nukes have other purposes besides killing mass amounts of people, and then saying you can play fort on them, you can collect nukes, you can do nuke lifting competitions..
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] Twist my words however you want. You know I'm talking about lethal firearms, not recreational firearms.

it doesn't matter what you talk about because firearams like handguns are in many area considered recreational and BB guns are politcially correctly labeled the same type of "firearm" as a gun, so I am spinnning nothing, you can't argue gun laws when you don't even know what's involved in the law in the first place.

You're not attacking my argument, you're attacking my language/phrasing. You are just nitpicking something you disagree with because you have nothing of value to add. You know i'm not talking about guns that fire pellets, BBs, or paintballs, or water.

How am I nitpicking something that is included in the very same law you want more strict> Are you really this dumb? Why are you even alive so long? How can i nitpick the very thing you are arguing? Your wrong so you have to hide and say things.
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This "guns are only used for killing" is based on the fallacy that eventually every gun ever made will one day murder an innocent person.

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#121 Lordofinternet
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Ok, let's actually get a full opinion here instead of parts of whole points. Someone actually give me 5 good reasons why we should add gun control to guns and nothing else as dangerous. i will not overlook them, I just want someone to give a whole answer. Then things will come together.
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Look there's only so much we can do with gun control while still maintaining the constitution which no one is going to change so gun control guys, you guys. What? We can't super regulate guns without massive resistance and violations so what plan could actually be effective? Heck the most gun freak states have less killing than those that do.
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Of course you can shoot targets without a gun. However, you can't partake in pistol competitions without a pistol or a biathlon without a rifle. I was simply answering your question. Instead of arguing you should say "thank you." Anyway, those are not the "best uses" of a gun. Simply uses other than killing, which you (for some ignorant reason) did not believe existed. thegerg
It's like saying nukes have other purposes besides killing mass amounts of people, and then saying you can play fort on them, you can collect nukes, you can do nuke lifting competitions..

You certainly could do those things, but none of those things are reasonable. On the other hand, firearms have numerous reasonable and lawful uses (target shooting, self defense, hunting, etc.).

You can shoot pretend people, You can shoot bad people, You can ever shoot members of other species. Yes guns have many uses.

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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Of course you can shoot targets without a gun. However, you can't partake in pistol competitions without a pistol or a biathlon without a rifle. I was simply answering your question. Instead of arguing you should say "thank you." Anyway, those are not the "best uses" of a gun. Simply uses other than killing, which you (for some ignorant reason) did not believe existed. thegerg
It's like saying nukes have other purposes besides killing mass amounts of people, and then saying you can play fort on them, you can collect nukes, you can do nuke lifting competitions..

You certainly could do those things, but none of those things are reasonable. On the other hand, firearms have numerous reasonable and lawful uses (target shooting, self defense, hunting, etc.).

And what i'm saying is I view both the nuke activities and the pistol activities as one in the same, things you certainly can do, but they just aren't necessary.

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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] It's like saying nukes have other purposes besides killing mass amounts of people, and then saying you can play fort on them, you can collect nukes, you can do nuke lifting competitions.. mattisgod01

You certainly could do those things, but none of those things are reasonable. On the other hand, firearms have numerous reasonable and lawful uses (target shooting, self defense, hunting, etc.).

You can shoot pretend people, You can shoot bad people, You can ever shoot members of other species. Yes guns have many uses.

Haha.

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#127 coolbeans90
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We ALREADY, basically, have a thread on this. Why the fick has this not been locked?

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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"]Ok, let's actually get a full opinion here instead of parts of whole points. Someone actually give me 5 good reasons why we should add gun control to guns and nothing else as dangerous. i will not overlook them, I just want someone to give a whole answer. Then things will come together.

If all these innocent people dying isn't enough to "convince" you, then why bother? What is as dangerous as guns, legal, and doesn't serve a useful function?
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[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] You certainly could do those things, but none of those things are reasonable. On the other hand, firearms have numerous reasonable and lawful uses (target shooting, self defense, hunting, etc.).thegerg

You can shoot pretend people, You can shoot bad people, You can ever shoot members of other species. Yes guns have many uses.

You can also shoot things that aren't people, fake people, or animals.

I can nuke a cardboard box but where does the rest of the explosion and radiotion go? That town full of innocent peo- WHY ARE WE COMPARING NUKES TO BULLETS?
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[QUOTE="mattisgod01"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] You certainly could do those things, but none of those things are reasonable. On the other hand, firearms have numerous reasonable and lawful uses (target shooting, self defense, hunting, etc.).thegerg

You can shoot pretend people, You can shoot bad people, You can ever shoot members of other species. Yes guns have many uses.

You can also shoot things that aren't people, fake people, or animals.

Why do you need bullets? Why not paintball guns?
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] You certainly could do those things, but none of those things are reasonable. On the other hand, firearms have numerous reasonable and lawful uses (target shooting, self defense, hunting, etc.).thegerg

And what i'm saying is I view both the nuke activities and the pistol activities as one in the same, things you certainly can do, but they just aren't necessary.

Mattisgod ^^^ +1

I really don't see how me shooting a rabid coyote, a turkey for dinner, or a steel target is the same as "nuke activities", but OK.

Lol dude that came off bad!, I'm not trying to say having a nuke is like having a gun, I just used the first analogy that came to my mind: something that is used to kill that has no other necessary or particularly useful purpose to exist.
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"]Ok, let's actually get a full opinion here instead of parts of whole points. Someone actually give me 5 good reasons why we should add gun control to guns and nothing else as dangerous. i will not overlook them, I just want someone to give a whole answer. Then things will come together.

If all these innocent people dying isn't enough to "convince" you, then why bother? What is as dangerous as guns, legal, and doesn't serve a useful function?

Innocent people dying is not enough to prove anything when much more people are injured and killed by other things not guns. Not your comment on useful function? that might be true, but there is hunting, and there are whole organizations for that, and law enforcement, and military, unless hunting is made illegal and police and military are reduced to sticks which ain't happening, what point do you actually have? If cop saw someone being stabbed to death at a distance, I bet he would use a gun to stop him/her. Getting rid of it for the public is also dumb because of corruption and all kinds of blackmail one with a gun can do. Also your last question: Bombs Alchohol, has no useful purpose whatsoever. BB guns Swords Blade above 7 inches. It's not just guns.
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] You can also shoot things that aren't people, fake people, or animals.

Why do you need bullets? Why not paintball guns?

Because paintballs would be far less accurate than bullets and not as effective against most threats.

There it is. Because paintballs don't damage things the way you want to as much as bullets do,you're willing to make that trade-off and accept the possibility of things like what happened in Connecticut today. I couldn't disagree with you any more.
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[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"] I really don't see how me shooting a rabid coyote, a turkey for dinner, or a steel target is the same as "nuke activities", but OK.

Lol dude that came off bad!, I'm not trying to say having a nuke is like having a gun, I just used the first analogy that came to my mind: something that is used to kill that has no other necessary or particularly useful purpose to exist.

But It has been explained that they do have other purposes. Even if they didn't, so what? Even if guns only existed to kill should they be outlawed? What about mousetraps? Rat poison? Slaughterhouses?

Yeah but the issue is humans are superior so rat traps and ant poison are ok, but guns are a know since they have no practical purpose but to kill other humans or injure them in self-defense. Or robot A.I. invasion.
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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"]Ok, let's actually get a full opinion here instead of parts of whole points. Someone actually give me 5 good reasons why we should add gun control to guns and nothing else as dangerous. i will not overlook them, I just want someone to give a whole answer. Then things will come together.DaJuicyMan
What is as dangerous as guns, legal, and doesn't serve a useful function?

Swimming pools, lets ban them. There are plenty of other better ways to exercise and have fun.

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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"] Why do you need bullets? Why not paintball guns?

Because paintballs would be far less accurate than bullets and not as effective against most threats.

There it is. Because paintballs don't damage things the way you want to as much as bullets do,you're willing to make that trade-off and accept the possibility of things like what happened in Connecticut today. I couldn't disagree with you any more.

\\BB guns is a better argument than paint ball to be honest.
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There it is. Because paintballs don't damage things the way you want to as much as bullets do,you're willing to make that trade-off and accept the possibility of things like what happened in Connecticut today. I couldn't disagree with you any more.DaJuicyMan

You can't stop people from killing each other.

The shooter purchased his weapons legally in states that have some of the toughest gun laws in the country. What more is there to do? You can't punish those who obey the law because of people who break it.

It seems to me that you won't ever realize that.

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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"]Ok, let's actually get a full opinion here instead of parts of whole points. Someone actually give me 5 good reasons why we should add gun control to guns and nothing else as dangerous. i will not overlook them, I just want someone to give a whole answer. Then things will come together.DJ419

What is as dangerous as guns, legal, and doesn't serve a useful function?

Swimming pools, lets ban them. There are plenty of other better ways to exercise and have fun.

Football, the whole point is to hurt people in your way. you can relax stress free and do sports instead.
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[QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"]There it is. Because paintballs don't damage things the way you want to as much as bullets do,you're willing to make that trade-off and accept the possibility of things like what happened in Connecticut today. I couldn't disagree with you any more.airshocker

You can't stop people from killing each other.

The shooter purchased his weapons legally in states that have some of the toughest gun laws in the country. What more is there to do? You can't punish those who obey the law because of people who break it.

It seems to me that you won't ever realize that.

No, they were his moms apparently. He didn't buy them.
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No, they were his moms apparently. He didn't buy them.Lordofinternet

Then gun control is a moot point and shouldn't even have been brought up.

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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"][QUOTE="DaJuicyMan"][QUOTE="Lordofinternet"]Ok, let's actually get a full opinion here instead of parts of whole points. Someone actually give me 5 good reasons why we should add gun control to guns and nothing else as dangerous. i will not overlook them, I just want someone to give a whole answer. Then things will come together.

If all these innocent people dying isn't enough to "convince" you, then why bother? What is as dangerous as guns, legal, and doesn't serve a useful function?

Innocent people dying is not enough to prove anything when much more people are injured and killed by other things not guns. Not your comment on useful function? that might be true, but there is hunting, and there are whole organizations for that, and law enforcement, and military, unless hunting is made illegal and police and military are reduced to sticks which ain't happening, what point do you actually have? If cop saw someone being stabbed to death at a distance, I bet he would use a gun to stop him/her. Getting rid of it for the public is also dumb because of corruption and all kinds of blackmail one with a gun can do. Also your last question: Bombs Alchohol, has no useful purpose whatsoever. BB guns Swords Blade above 7 inches. It's not just guns.

1. You don't need a gun to hunt. 2. I never said I was against cops/military using guns 3. People would argue alcohol has other uses but I don't care enough to argue that 4. Bombs, swords, big blades ... yup all things that are not necessary (Though I didn't know bombs were legal, but that doesn't really matter so I'll trust you) Sharing blame with other unnecessary illegal things doesn't lift the burden from guns that shoot bullets. Your very last sentence seems to imply you agree guns don't have necessary other purposes besides killing?
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#148 Lordofinternet
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[QUOTE="Lordofinternet"]No, they were his moms apparently. He didn't buy them.airshocker

Then gun control is a moot point and shouldn't even have been brought up.

It's even more useless people want to ban assaults and shotguns because people go out and kill people in public with those. But everyone and his santa is arguing gun control for christmass.
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It's even more useless people want to ban assaults and shotguns because people go out and kill people in public with those. But everyone and his santa is arguing gun control for christmass.Lordofinternet

Expect this everytime a tragedy happens.

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Guns should only be owned by government appointed soldiers.