The iron fist looms over torrent sites and pirates everywhere..

the US government is as of 2 days ago tossing around a bill. this bill would allow the justice department of the US of A effectively kill access to any filesharing, torrenting or piracy website regardless of country of origin if it is found necissary and has breached a copyright of any kind that is followed up on by its owner.

known (in short form) as the coic act this and i quote

And then America was China.

I buy CD's, and don't use those sites, so I wouldn't care.

First they came for the pirates, et cetera et cetera.

the US governmentionusX

First they came for the pirates, et cetera et cetera.

jaydough

Whether you an advocate for piracy or not, this is would be an enormous blow to net neutrality. It shouldn't be supported regardless of what your opinion on piracy may be.Human-after-all

Whether you an advocate for piracy or not, this is would be an enormous blow to net neutrality. It shouldn't be supported regardless of what your opinion on piracy may be.Human-after-all

Whether you an advocate for piracy or not, this is would be an enormous blow to net neutrality. It shouldn't be supported regardless of what your opinion on piracy may be.Human-after-all

Regardless, blocking foreign trackers would not be effective due to proxies (site access) and the distributed hash table aspect of the Bit Torrent protocol (peer retrieval without connecting to a tracker.)

What a waste of time..

[QUOTE="ionusX"]the US governmentGallion-Beast

[QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"][QUOTE="ionusX"]the US governmentSaturos3091

If this bill goes through, I'd really love to see the look on the CEO's face of all the big record companies and movie studios when they realize that people still won't overpay for their products

it's been pretty obvious the gov would step in sooner or later.

a stop to torrents isn't anything significant in terms of intervention,but it's just one step.both ventura and paul have been saying the internet would be after health care.

I'm against this only because there are too many possibilities about what could happen.

Something to note..people should consider that this could be enforced on sites like YouTube. Most people uploading videos there violate the law by using copyrighted music tracks without permission. One could argue that it promotes the illegal sharing of music.

Just one example of how something like this could be abused.

Again. If your going to be against this action then what else can the government take against piracy.alexside1

Again. If your going to be against this action then what else can the government take against piracy.alexside1

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Something to note..people should consider that this could be enforced on sites like YouTube. Most people uploading videos there violate the law by using copyrighted music tracks without permission. One could argue that it promotes the illegal sharing of music.

Just one example of how something like this could be abused.

Velocitas8

And YouTube takes those videos down when brought to their attention. Torrent sites don't. Huge difference.

And then America was China.

Dark_Knight6

Basically this.

First it;s "piracy sites". Then it's "adult sites", then it's "any site we do not like".

This is a dark day.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Again. If your going to be against this action then what else can the government take against piracy.Dark_Knight6

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

And then America was China.

Pixel-Pirate

Basically this.

First it;s "piracy sites". Then it's "adult sites", then it's "any site we do not like".

This is a dark day.

so says the pixel pirate, so it is written

yarr..

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Something to note..people should consider that this could be enforced on sites like YouTube. Most people uploading videos there violate the law by using copyrighted music tracks without permission. One could argue that it promotes the illegal sharing of music.

Just one example of how something like this could be abused.

Oleg_Huzwog

And YouTube takes those videos down when brought to their attention. Torrent sites don't. Huge difference.

Just about every video on youtube uses music or video footage that the poster does not own. And no, youtube does not take them down. They may take down a video thats like a full episode of a TV show, but I can find you plenty gameplay footage, videos using copyrighted images, video with copyrighted music.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

First they came for the pirates, et cetera et cetera.

alexside1

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

And then America was China.

ionusX

Basically this.

First it;s "piracy sites". Then it's "adult sites", then it's "any site we do not like".

This is a dark day.

so says the pixel pirate, so it is written

yarr..

I doubt the pirates of the web will go quietly into the night. They will simply find a way around it.

I'm not upset because this harms piracy. I'm upset because this is essentially censoring the internet. Something that totalitarian regimes do.

At first I was like O_O

But then I noticed "USA" isn't "everywhere" (at least by non-USA standards) and lol'd!

Contact your state an local government representatives. Let them know why this can't be enacted.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Again. If your going to be against this action then what else can the government take against piracy.jaydough

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Nope. They should look at big acts like Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead that have gone independent and have made so much money by treating the fans like human beings as opposed to walking bank deposit slips. Ghosts, an album from Trent Reznor that was released on the Nine Inch Nails website for free download and various phsyical mediums brought in $1,619,420 USD within the first week of being released.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Again. If your going to be against this action then what else can the government take against piracy.Dark_Knight6

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Contact your state an local government representatives. Let them know why this can't be enacted.

Buriz

"Contacting your local representatives" to tell them how to vote works about as well as yelling at the sun causes it to set.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Dark_Knight6

Nope. They should look at big acts like Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead that have gone independent and have made so much money by treating the fans like human beings as opposed to walking bank deposit slips. Ghosts, an album from Trent Reznor that was released on the Nine Inch Nails website for free download and various phsyical mediums brought in $1,619,420 USD within the first week of being released.

At first I was like O_O

But then I noticed "USA" isn't "everywhere" (at least by non-USA standards) and lol'd!

F1_2004

you do realise this would almost allow for owners of such sites in the USA (our countries with extradition laws to the us) be witch hunted.. and yes the salem kind

[QUOTE="Buriz"]

Contact your state an local government representatives. Let them know why this can't be enacted.

Pixel-Pirate

"Contacting your local representatives" to tell them how to vote works about as well as yelling at the sun causes it to set.

It worked for ACTA

And YouTube takes those videos down when brought to their attention. Torrent sites don't. Huge difference.Oleg_Huzwog

I'm afraid you're wrong. YouTube videos are only taken down if music labels report them. The only way they can find them is by searching, one by one, through every artist's track names...and that's only for the easy ones. More often than not, videos do not even have the music track name in the description or video title..which makes it impossible for them to effectively police copyright violations. One could make a legitimate argument that YouTube allows illegal music sharing, despite the (ineffective) measures in place to prevent it. As ridiculous as it sounds, I've even heard that there are sites with the specific purpose of ripping out YouTube music streams (as in creating an MP3 file for use with a music player)

You can go through and search almost any song from any artist on YouTube right now and come up with a video containing their music. The vast majority of these videos are in violation of copyright.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Again. If your going to be against this action then what else can the government take against piracy.alexside1

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Three wrongs don't make a right either and the censorship of the internet would definitely be wrong. Who could vote with their wallets? The consumer? They already do. Companies don't seem to realize that a copy downloaded is not equivalent to a sale lost.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]

At first I was like O_O

But then I noticed "USA" isn't "everywhere" (at least by non-USA standards) and lol'd!

ionusX

you do realise this would almost allow for owners of such sites in the USA (our countries with extradition laws to the us) be witch hunted.. and yes the salem kind

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"]

First they came for the pirates, et cetera et cetera.

jaydough

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Slippery slope fallacy says hi.alexside1

Made me think of a Fred Flinstone-esque scientist.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Dark_Knight6

rock sciencealexside1

THAT WOULD BE GEOLOGY SON

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Slippery slope fallacy says hi.alexside1

However, you can't deny that there is a strong correlation between these sorts of filters and information censorship.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] There's a difference between a slippery slope fallacy and a slippery slope argument. This sort of thing has happened before.

Pixel-Pirate

Made me think of a Fred Flinstone-esque scientist.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]when brought to their attentionVelocitas8

if music labels report them

You're saying the same thing I am.