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So they can't shut down sites with foreign addresses like .ru or .ca (which is pretty important considering that virtually all piracy sites are located outside the US). And blocking a website isn't going to stop me from routing around the block with a proxy or SSH tunnel. I don't see this bill stopping piracy at all. The only thing it will do is set a precedent for government censorship of the internet.gameguy6700Your assuming that all piratiers are tech savvy and that everyone know proxies.
I am pretty pro liberty for the individual and very against the government in general. I am quite sure that comes through in most of my posts. I don't really care what the government tries to do as all I know is they will fail hard on this. They can try and enforce it all they want but it will never work and it will just be another train wreck like the war on drugs.testfactor888
The artists can be pissed to see the government doing nothing about it. I don't believe they see it as freedom, they see it as stealing. Drugs, however, are not taken from anybody.
[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]So they can't shut down sites with foreign addresses like .ru or .ca (which is pretty important considering that virtually all piracy sites are located outside the US). And blocking a website isn't going to stop me from routing around the block with a proxy or SSH tunnel. I don't see this bill stopping piracy at all. The only thing it will do is set a precedent for government censorship of the internet.alexside1Your assuming that all piratiers are tech savvy and that everyone know proxies. You don't have to be tech savvy. You just have to know how to google up how to do it. People write guides on how to hack and do these sorts of things. Where there is a will there's a way and if all it will take is likely a simple google search to learn what to do alot of people will do that.
[QUOTE="testfactor888"]I am pretty pro liberty for the individual and very against the government in general. I am quite sure that comes through in most of my posts. I don't really care what the government tries to do as all I know is they will fail hard on this. They can try and enforce it all they want but it will never work and it will just be another train wreck like the war on drugs.bloodling
The artists can be pissed to see the government doing nothing about it. I don't believe they see it as freedom, they see it as stealing. Drugs, however, are not taken from anybody.
To be honest I don't really care about the artists. I am selfish like that. I use the media for my own entertainment and after that I really don't care. I am going to bed though but I think I made which side of the argument I am pretty clear. No point in continuing to go back and forth on that. Some people disagree with me while others likely agree with me. That is how the world works. Night blood :)[QUOTE="alexside1"] Your assuming that all piratiers are tech savvy and that everyone know proxies.testfactor888You don't have to be tech savvy. You just have to know how to google up how to do it. People write guides on how to hack and do these sorts of things. Where there is a will there's a way and if all it will take is likely a simple google search to learn what to do alot of people will do that. Assuming that the webstie won't be taking down, Assuming that it will be easy for everyone, and assuming that the government won't force Google to filter their search..... right.....
"I'm selfish like that"
Well that cetainly explain everything about your stance.
To be honest I don't really care about the artists. I am selfish like that. I use the media for my own entertainment and after that I really don't care. I am going to bed though but I think I made which side of the argument I am pretty clear. No point in continuing to go back and forth on that. Some people disagree with me while others likely agree with me. That is how the world works. Night blood :)testfactor888
I don't really care about the artists, but I don't really care about pirating rights either :P
[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]So they can't shut down sites with foreign addresses like .ru or .ca (which is pretty important considering that virtually all piracy sites are located outside the US). And blocking a website isn't going to stop me from routing around the block with a proxy or SSH tunnel. I don't see this bill stopping piracy at all. The only thing it will do is set a precedent for government censorship of the internet.testfactor888Your assuming that all piratiers are tech savvy and that everyone know proxies. You don't have to be tech savvy. You just have to know how to google up how to do it. People write guides on how to hack and do these sorts of things. Where there is a will there's a way and if all it will take is likely a simple google search to learn what to do alot of people will do that. No, I'm assuming most piracy sites will just switch to a domain name that's based in a country that doesn't give a flying **** about international copyright laws like Russia or China. The ones that won't switch will most likely be smaller sites whose user bases are mostly comprised of people tech savvy enough to know what a proxy is.
Yup, especially when you look at other countries with similar policies... This is going to greatly hurt the music industry (especially the underground who rely on filesharing rather than sales to get their albums out).[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="Gallion-Beast"] l think you need to reconsider your definition of everywhere. Sucks to be in America if this goes through. Piracy or not the government deciding what sites you can and cannot access isn't a good thing.Dark_Knight6
If this bill goes through, I'd really love to see the look on the CEO's face of all the big record companies and movie studios when they realize that people still won't overpay for their products
Exactly this. It's like they expect to get a big increase in movie/music/game sales when really nothing will change for them.[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"][QUOTE="Saturos3091"] Yup, especially when you look at other countries with similar policies... This is going to greatly hurt the music industry (especially the underground who rely on filesharing rather than sales to get their albums out).blues35301
If this bill goes through, I'd really love to see the look on the CEO's face of all the big record companies and movie studios when they realize that people still won't overpay for their products
Exactly this. It's like they expect to get a big increase in movie/music/game sales when really nothing will change for them. If they do pass it im going to make a big "I TOLD YOU SO THEY ARE JUST GREEDY BASTARDS" thread on these forums, if what you exactly said comes true. But then again both sides of the argument are just theories and one or the other could come true.the US government is as of 2 days ago tossing around a bill. this bill would allow the justice department of the US of A effectively kill access to any filesharing, torrenting or piracy website regardless of country of origin if it is found necissary and has breached a copyright of any kind that is followed up on by its owner.
ionusX
Best news I've heard in a while...I buy all of my games & music, so should everyone else.
[QUOTE="ionusX"]
the US government is as of 2 days ago tossing around a bill. this bill would allow the justice department of the US of A effectively kill access to any filesharing, torrenting or piracy website regardless of country of origin if it is found necissary and has breached a copyright of any kind that is followed up on by its owner.
topsemag55
Best news I've heard in a while...I buy all of my games & music, so should everyone else.
Everyone should pay for it, sure. But giving the government the power to start censoring what Americans can access on the internet is giving it far too much power.
[QUOTE="ionusX"]
the US government is as of 2 days ago tossing around a bill. this bill would allow the justice department of the US of A effectively kill access to any filesharing, torrenting or piracy website regardless of country of origin if it is found necissary and has breached a copyright of any kind that is followed up on by its owner.
Best news I've heard in a while...I buy all of my games & music, so should everyone else.
I do too. However, this bill transcends mere copyright considerations.I'm convinced that The Pirate Bay is an unsinkable ship but we'll see I suppose...
I'm 99% sure it won't sink.
[quote="topsemag55"]Best news I've heard in a while...I buy all of my games & music, so should everyone else.I do too. However, this bill transcends mere copyright considerations.mattbbpl
It depresses me whenever I hear about a software developer mulling over whether or not to cease support for a platform (doesn't matter which one either).
I also buy DLCs and expansions, to show appreciation for continued support of a good game...I look at it this way - if they continue to make new content, then patches also follow.
[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][quote="topsemag55"]Best news I've heard in a while...I buy all of my games & music, so should everyone else.
I do too. However, this bill transcends mere copyright considerations.It depresses me whenever I hear about a software developer mulling over whether or not to cease support for a platform (doesn't matter which one either).
I also buy DLCs and expansions, to show appreciation for continued support of a good game...I look at it this way - if they continue to make new content, then patches also follow.
Trust me, I know - I create software for a living. I just don't think this is the right way. I think, in fact, that it is extremely easy to misuse and abuse.I do too. However, this bill transcends mere copyright considerations.[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][quote="topsemag55"]Best news I've heard in a while...I buy all of my games & music, so should everyone else.
topsemag55
It depresses me whenever I hear about a software developer mulling over whether or not to cease support for a platform (doesn't matter which one either).
I also buy DLCs and expansions, to show appreciation for continued support of a good game...I look at it this way - if they continue to make new content, then patches also follow.
I don't mind if it's new content. I have a problem when they sell things that were cut from the game for a price, which happens quite often. For example, Resident Evil 5's multiplayer. The download for which, was smaller than one MB.
Trust me, I know - I create software for a living. I just don't think this is the right way. I think, in fact, that it is extremely easy to misuse and abuse.mattbbpl
I forgot to mention I have the same attitude towards utilities. A well-coded utility is as enjoyable as any uber-game, and I always support the developer, even if you have to repurchase a License Code for a new version.
Conversely, if a developer doesn't support an application, I email them to close my account, and I uninstall the software (by that point it becomes more unworkable and tiresome to use).
Sometimes I wonder how a developer stays in business when they don't update their software for new browsers and operating systems...heck, I've caught their Tech Support off-guard by notifying them of OS Service Packs before they even knew about them.:P:lol:
It might be heavy-handed, but copyrights & trademarks must be protected somehow.
This is dooms month for pirates. >.< Time to show that the people of the internet have voice.
This just isn't right. I don't want it to be like China. If that happens, I'm throwing my computer in the free way.
[QUOTE="hotfiree"]Im surprised people dont get ready for this stuff while the internet is free, like have things setup and ready to go if they filter it.bloodling
"OK, I stole everything, I'm ready!"
:lol:
No I mean setup new sharing programmes and that stuff.exactly. a lot of rare songs aren't on itunes. Hell a non-album Muse single called "Dead Star" which is hugely popular isn't even available on the U.S. itunes store which is absurd. It's got a music video and everything lol.I use sites like that to get b-sides and rarestuff. How else will I get them?
vaultboy_ninja
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