The iron fist looms over torrent sites and pirates everywhere..

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] That still doesn't justified piracy. two wrongs don't make a right. They could easy just vote with their wallets.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] There's a difference between a slippery slope fallacy and a slippery slope argument. This sort of thing has happened before.

jaydough

However, you can't deny that there is a strong correlation between these sorts of filters and information censorship.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Slippery slope fallacy says hi.alexside1

No one is trying to argue using a diagram, nor are we claiming that this is an issue which falls into the study of geography.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]Three wrongs don't make a right either and the censorship of the internet would definitely be wrong. jaydough

keep folks.. complacent and herdable.

all i need to do is point to this ONE VIDEO to proove the effects of media vs government:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_P4lJD_OPI

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]Three wrongs don't make a right either and the censorship of the internet would definitely be wrong. jaydough

Good. I hope they stop all that pirating and stealing.

I'd laugh if it passed and sales didn't increase.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

There's really nothing they can do. It's up to the companies to convince people that they aren't greedy corporations that are willing to screw people over again and again.

Dark_Knight6

Three wrongs don't make a right either and the censorship of the internet would definitely be wrong. Who could vote with their wallets? The consumer? They already do. Companies don't seem to realize that a copy downloaded is not equivalent to a sale lost.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]when brought to their attentionOleg_Huzwog

if music labels report them

You're saying the same thing I am.

If that's what you meant then yes, I am.

The problem is that YouTube actually has a larger selection of illegally-uploaded music than most torrent sites, despite the measures in place to remove it. I don't see the "huge difference."

(For the record, I am not saying YouTube is on par with torrent sites in promoting illegal file sharing. I'm just trying to make a point about how this could be abused.)

Do you seriously try to argue me using the schematics card? It's not rock science. Your assuming they can't be resistant.alexside1

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The goverment already censor things besides the internet. Unless your supporting the notication of "anything goes", then really nothing i can say to you that you would change your mind.

alexside1

I'd laugh if it passed and sales didn't increase.

Serraph105

They won't increase. A copy downloaded =/= a sale lost.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Do you seriously try to argue me using the schematics card? It's not rock science. Your assuming they can't be resistant.alexside1

However, you can't deny that there is a strong correlation between these sorts of filters and information censorship.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Slippery slope fallacy says hi.alexside1

Rock science, also known as geology. Also, schematics:

http://machines.hyperreal.org/manufacturers/Sequential/Pro-One/schematics/pro1-schematics-b.gif

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

if music labels report themVelocitas8

You're saying the same thing I am.

If that's what you meant then yes, I am.

The problem is that YouTube actually has a larger selection of illegally-uploaded music than most torrent sites, despite the measures in place to remove it. I don't see the "huge difference."

Of course there's a huge difference. One site willingly cooperates with owners of copyrighted information. The other doesn't.

I am absolutely against giving the government this kind of power. This is a dangerous and slippery slope.

Of course there's a huge difference. One site willingly cooperates with owners of copyrighted information. The other doesn't.Oleg_Huzwog

One could argue that they permit illegal file sharing by not actively policing it (they ONLY come in if the labels take the time to report the content.)

I personally don't agree with that, and I'm not trying to put YouTube on the same level as torrent sites. I'm just pointing out that things like this are open to heavy abuse.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

You're saying the same thing I am.

Oleg_Huzwog

If that's what you meant then yes, I am.

The problem is that YouTube actually has a larger selection of illegally-uploaded music than most torrent sites, despite the measures in place to remove it. I don't see the "huge difference."

Of course there's a huge difference. One site willingly cooperates with owners of copyrighted information. The other doesn't.

How far will this go? I mean will I be able to watch gameplay videos that are not officialy sanctioned by the company but user made? Will they ban those too? Will they ban any and all clips from movies etc etc?

I've said this before, this is a free market response to overpricing. Entertainment companies are trying to sqeeze every dollar they can out of every possible revenue stream, and people are getting sick of it. The rise of torrents and/or pirating is a way of the market telling the entertainment companies that they're overpricing things and being too greedy.

right before Dexter starts too!PerfectCircles

I've said this before, this is a free market response to overpricing. Entertainment companies are trying to sqeeze every dollar they can out of every possible revenue stream, and people are getting sick of it. The rise of torrents and/or pirating is a way of the market telling the entertainment companies that they're overpricing things and being too greedy.

theone86

This is hardly the case... There will always be piracy as long as the items cost money, its just the cheaper they are the less the piracy...

Surely people will just find a way around it. MystikRex

anything is possible.

[QUOTE="MystikRex"]Surely people will just find a way around it. T_REX305

anything is possible.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

I've said this before, this is a free market response to overpricing. Entertainment companies are trying to sqeeze every dollar they can out of every possible revenue stream, and people are getting sick of it. The rise of torrents and/or pirating is a way of the market telling the entertainment companies that they're overpricing things and being too greedy.

sSubZerOo

This is hardly the case... There will always be piracy as long as the items cost money, its just the cheaper they are the less the piracy...

Well yeah, but if legislation is being passed that probably means there's more piracy than before. If they want it to go down what they should do is lower prices. I know they can't lower prices indefinitely, but I don't think they've even tried going that route.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]Of course there's a huge difference. One site willingly cooperates with owners of copyrighted information. The other doesn't.Velocitas8

One could argue that they permit illegal file sharing by not actively policing it (they ONLY come in if the labels take the time to report the content.)

I personally don't agree with that, and I'm not trying to put YouTube on the same level as torrent sites. I'm just pointing out that things like this are open to heavy abuse.

And I'm saying your fears are silly and unwarranted. As long as YouTube continues to respond to reported violations, they won't be dragged down with the torrent sites.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

I've said this before, this is a free market response to overpricing. Entertainment companies are trying to sqeeze every dollar they can out of every possible revenue stream, and people are getting sick of it. The rise of torrents and/or pirating is a way of the market telling the entertainment companies that they're overpricing things and being too greedy.

sSubZerOo

This is hardly the case... There will always be piracy as long as the items cost money, its just the cheaper they are the less the piracy...

No, that is the problem. There will always be piracy, yes. But the astonishing popularity of downloading copy-written material is in response to the greedy acts of companies.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] The government shouldn't be censoring things in the first place. Why should we be extending the censors?

jaydough

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

Eh. I'm fine with it for the most part.
I buy physical copies of all my music.

I'd be fine if certain things would be left to download though...

[QUOTE="theone86"]

I've said this before, this is a free market response to overpricing. Entertainment companies are trying to sqeeze every dollar they can out of every possible revenue stream, and people are getting sick of it. The rise of torrents and/or pirating is a way of the market telling the entertainment companies that they're overpricing things and being too greedy.

sSubZerOo

This is hardly the case... There will always be piracy as long as the items cost money, its just the cheaper they are the less the piracy...

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Because it harms companies, people, etc? Do you want kids walking in the city seeing nudy and gore at a really young age?alexside1

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

No, that is the problem. There will always be piracy, yes. But the astonishing popularity of downloading copy-written material is in response to the greedy acts of companies.

Dark_Knight6

I would suggest the popularity of downloading music owes a far greater thanks to how easy it is, rather than in response to the price of legal music.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Because it harms companies, people, etc? Do you want kids walking in the city seeing nudy and gore at a really young age?alexside1

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

And what harmful effects could seeing a person's **** have on a kid?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

Something to note..people should consider that this could be enforced on sites like YouTube. Most people uploading videos there violate the law by using copyrighted music tracks without permission. One could argue that it promotes the illegal sharing of music.

Just one example of how something like this could be abused.

Pixel-Pirate

And YouTube takes those videos down when brought to their attention. Torrent sites don't. Huge difference.

Just about every video on youtube uses music or video footage that the poster does not own. And no, youtube does not take them down. They may take down a video thats like a full episode of a TV show, but I can find you plenty gameplay footage, videos using copyrighted images, video with copyrighted music.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]No, that is the problem. There will always be piracy, yes. But the astonishing popularity of downloading copy-written material is in response to the greedy acts of companies.

Oleg_Huzwog

I would suggest the popularity of downloading music owes a far greater thanks to how easy it is, rather than in response to the price of legal music.

Seems to me it's easier to buy and download stuff legally than it is to find a pirate site, they can sometimes be a pain. Maybe it's not THAT much harder, a couple of internet searches harder, but it's still not as easy as just loggin on to I-tunes and forking over your credit card.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] Yes.

JinjonatorX

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]No, that is the problem. There will always be piracy, yes. But the astonishing popularity of downloading copy-written material is in response to the greedy acts of companies.

Oleg_Huzwog

I would suggest the popularity of downloading music owes a far greater thanks to how easy it is, rather than in response to the price of legal music.

Most people don't even know how a bit torrent client works.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] Yes.

jaydough

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

And what harmful effects could seeing a person's **** have on a kid?

And I'm saying your fears are silly and unwarranted. As long as YouTube continues to respond to reported violations, they won't be dragged down with the torrent sites.Oleg_Huzwog

I think YouTube would be okay, but not for the reasons you bring up. YouTube is obviously much too popular, and YouTube's existence actually benefits the RIAA because of its advertising value. It was just an easy-to-understand example. Honestly, YouTube could definitely be doing more to police content on the site. The reason they don't is because it would severely affect the amount of content available, and the number of hits that they get.

Another problem with this proposal is that it wouldn't even "bring down" torrent sites. It probably wouldn't even affect how much traffic they get by much. IP blocks are ineffective. It would just add another step to using a public tracker (getting a proxy.) It is a completely pointless proposal made by people who obviously do not even understand the BitTorrent protocol. You do not even NEED trackers to share something via BitTorrent. The only sites it would actually affect are private trackers, which do not allow the distributed hash table feature to be enabled (without DHT, you need a tracker to retrieve peers. Even then, there are probably ways to route only the peer retrieval through a proxy.)

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

And what harmful effects could seeing a person's **** have on a kid?

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

And what harmful effects could seeing a person's **** have on a kid?

I have studied psychology. At no point did I come across a study stating that "**** will ruin your kids". How about you start backing up your assertions?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

And YouTube takes those videos down when brought to their attention. Torrent sites don't. Huge difference.

RogueShodown

Just about every video on youtube uses music or video footage that the poster does not own. And no, youtube does not take them down. They may take down a video thats like a full episode of a TV show, but I can find you plenty gameplay footage, videos using copyrighted images, video with copyrighted music.

There are addons for this for Firefox which are completely legal and are listed inside Firefox's official webpage.

[QUOTE="JinjonatorX"][QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

Also, for god's sake, LEARN TO SPELL AND USE PROPER GRAMMAR. IT ISN'T DIFFICULT AT ALL. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE EASY. AND MY CAPS LOCK LETS YOU KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT.