The iron fist looms over torrent sites and pirates everywhere..

Say hello to government mandated censorship.

Oh and torrent trackers already have ways around this...

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Because it harms companies, people, etc? Do you want kids walking in the city seeing nudy and gore at a really young age?alexside1

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

Any of which are proven? Is it shown that seeing nudity or violence at a young age=murderer/rapist?

Also I couldn't tell before. Were you suggesting that the government should censor the internet like they do TV or radio?

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] And you ignored my reasoning.

And what harmful effects could seeing a person's **** have on a kid?

jaydough

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Ever study psychology? I say it's BS unitll you back up your assertions with evidence.alexside1

Umm....What?

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Ever study psychology? I say it's BS unitll you back up your assertions with evidence.alexside1

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Ever study psychology? I say it's BS unitll you back up your assertions with evidence.alexside1

I'll make sure to write a book on psychology and when I get to the subject I will cite GS's censorship as proof.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]No, that is the problem. There will always be piracy, yes. But the astonishing popularity of downloading copy-written material is in response to the greedy acts of companies.

Oleg_Huzwog

I would suggest the popularity of downloading music owes a far greater thanks to how easy it is, rather than in response to the price of legal music.

The price of digital media is based on an outmoded form of the industry, from way back when the chain from creator to buyer was necessarily much longer and costlier. I'd say at least 70% of final costing is made redundant due to technological advance.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] Yes.

Pixel-Pirate

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

Any of which are proven? Is it shown that seeing nudity or violence at a young age=murderer/rapist?

Also I couldn't tell before. Were you suggesting that the government should censor the internet like they do TV or radio?

I said "can" effect, not will effect.

What else can they do? Do you want them to turn a blind eye on priacy? It hurts comanies. If consuterms find a company greed than they can simply not buy there products.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] The burden of proof is on you. You're the one who's making the claim.

Teenaged

I'll make sure to write a book on psychology and when I get to the subject I will cite GS's censorship as proof.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

Any of which are proven? Is it shown that seeing nudity or violence at a young age=murderer/rapist?

Also I couldn't tell before. Were you suggesting that the government should censor the internet like they do TV or radio?

I said "can" effect, not will effect.

What else can they do? Do you want them to turn a blind eye on priacy? It hurts comanies. If consuterms find a company greed than they can simply not buy there products.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The evidence of censoring on this website shows it harms in somewhat shape of form.alexside1

I'll make sure to write a book on psychology and when I get to the subject I will cite GS's censorship as proof.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

Any of which are proven? Is it shown that seeing nudity or violence at a young age=murderer/rapist?

Also I couldn't tell before. Were you suggesting that the government should censor the internet like they do TV or radio?

I said "can" effect, not will effect.

What else can they do? Do you want them to turn a blind eye on priacy? It hurts comanies. If consuterms find a company greed than they can simply not buy there products.

This is an outrage! It might become harder to steal.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The evidence of censoring on this website shows it harms in somewhat shape of form.alexside1

I'll make sure to write a book on psychology and when I get to the subject I will cite GS's censorship as proof.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

Any of which are proven? Is it shown that seeing nudity or violence at a young age=murderer/rapist?

Also I couldn't tell before. Were you suggesting that the government should censor the internet like they do TV or radio?

I said "can" effect, not will effect.

What else can they do? Do you want them to turn a blind eye on priacy? It hurts comanies. If consuterms find a company greed than they can simply not buy there products.

....Censoring the internet like radio and TV has nothing to do with piracy.

Say hello to government mandated censorship.

Oh and torrent trackers already have ways around this...

htekemerald

not really rather than trying to silence the torrent site.. their going to simply cut YOU off at a level out of your control.

your aware of what an ISP is i assume.

yes torrenters can simply open a new proxy but they will simply just block you again. your claiming it wont affect people because rather than 24/7 access you will have small windows here and there and the torrent app would almost need the source code of a conficker or zeus strain virus (look it up) in order to upload/download anything.

there just isnt a way of running a torrent site to the america's to the america's and have it 1) be consistent and 2) be cost effective. even pirates and hackers have rules they need to live by.. there are only so many domain proxies and only so many ways of routing a flow of data. and with ipv6 universal adoption getting nearer and nearer with every passing month its going to get more and more complicated.

if anything his bill (assuming it passes) would get more streamlined and almost become its own web security system. people (im assuming they'd be gov't employee's) would watch torrent sites for stuff they cant have, notify the department and you'd be blocked again with 8-12 hours.

This is nothing more than a political grab for power, using pirating as an excuse. It is also being funded by media conglomerates and the MPAA.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

I'm literally speechless after you said that.Ignoring all the harmfull effects that can happen to a person.

alexside1

Any of which are proven? Is it shown that seeing nudity or violence at a young age=murderer/rapist?

Also I couldn't tell before. Were you suggesting that the government should censor the internet like they do TV or radio?

I said "can" effect, not will effect.

What else can they do? Do you want them to turn a blind eye on priacy? It hurts comanies. If consuterms find a company greed than they can simply not buy there products.

How does it hurt companies? You cannot prove that a copy downloaded is a sale lost. And consumers aren't buying their products now. Hence the decrease in sales.

This is an outrage! It might become harder to steal.

aransom

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I'd laugh if it passed and sales didn't increase.

Dark_Knight6

They won't increase. A copy downloaded =/= a sale lost.

not necissarily..

if i offer a tool for a price.. but then tell you that you can get the same tool somewhere else for free which do you pick as a consumer?

having to go somewhere else and NOT pay for what is essentially the same thing. or stay here and pay for it anyway.

if anything it would drive the community away of "potential" buyers.

why do you think mcdonald's takes competitor coupons.. why go somewhere else and pay for a sandwhich when you can get the same sandwich here for less.

it drives potential or incoming customers away to their store.

yes a copy torrented doesnt equal a copy sold but the two have an effect on one another.

by your logic the buisness practices of walmart doesnt effect the buisness practices and buisness in general of K-mart.

And then America was China.

Dark_Knight6

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] The burden of proof is on you. You're the one who's making the claim.

jaydough

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

If I offer something you don't really need for an obnoxious price and someone offers it for free, you're going to take the free one. That does not mean that if the free one isn't available, you would buy from me.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

And then America was China.

StopThePresses

Even youtube and BBC are blocked.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]

I'd laugh if it passed and sales didn't increase.

ionusX

They won't increase. A copy downloaded =/= a sale lost.

not necissarily..

if i offer a tool for a price.. but then tell you that you can get the same tool somewhere else for free which do you pick as a consumer?

having to go somewhere else and NOT pay for what is essentially the same thing. or stay here and pay for it anyway.

if anything it would drive the community away of "potential" buyers.

why do you think mcdonald's takes competitor coupons.. why go somewhere else and pay for a sandwhich when you can get the same sandwich here for less.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The evidence of censoring on this website shows it harms in somewhat shape of form.alexside1

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

You're just not doing a very good job.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The evidence of censoring on this website shows it harms in somewhat shape of form.alexside1

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

And then America was China.

StopThePresses

No, the one where the government censores things that they do not like.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] And no one has been able to really explain why the censors are on this site effectively.

jaydough

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

You're just not doing a very good job.

If I offer something you don't really need for an obnoxious price and someone offers it for free, you're going to take the free one. That does not mean that if the free one isn't available, you would buy from me.

Dark_Knight6

yes but it makes it more likely i would if i wanted it.

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

And then America was China.

Dark_Knight6

No, the one where the government censores things that they do not like.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

alexside1

You're just not doing a very good job.

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] The evidence of censoring on this website shows it harms in somewhat shape of form.alexside1

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]the US governmentGallion-Beast

[QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

[QUOTE="StopThePresses"] The country where copyright law is practically meaningless? :lol:StopThePresses

No, the one where the government censores things that they do not like.

Those are some nice semantics you've got there.

yes torrenters can simply open a new proxy but they will simply just block you again.ionusX

No. Do you understand how the BitTorrent protocol works? Trackers can be cut out entirely. They are, technically, a completely unnecessary part of the equation. All they do is make things easier. Again.. IP blocks aren't going to do anything.

Torrent traffic would NOT need to be routed through a proxy in the event of a block. Only the connection with the tracker itself would need to be through the proxy (accessing the site.) The actual file transfer traffic that takes place in the BitTorrent client is between PEERS..and the only way to block that is to completely cut everyone off from the internet.

I don't think you understand how proxies work either. From the outside, ISPs can't even tell where you're browsing. All they can see is that you're connected to an IP that belongs to a proxy provider..nothing more.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="jaydough"] And no one has been able to really explain why the censors are on this site effectively.

JinjonatorX

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

I will say that Pirates of the Caribbean taught me that it was right to be a pirate. and I quote

""Perhaps on the rare occasion that the right course demands an act of piracy.piracy itself can be the right course."

stop giving me your mixed messages Hollywood :cry:

This was always inevitable...even if it doesn't get passed right now.StopThePresses

I guess Prince was right.

[QUOTE="JinjonatorX"][QUOTE="alexside1"]

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

alexside1

I can sympathise since English isnt my native language but come on...

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] These sort of things change my mind all the time.

You're just not doing a very good job.

jaydough

[QUOTE="JinjonatorX"][QUOTE="alexside1"]

You know what? Forget it. Apparntly arguing at the internet is unterlly futile, because no one rarrly changes there mind. I have a hard time communicate though the interntet in general. Typing down on my thoughts is very hard for me. An accuret Speech to text is unbelievably expensive. I spend 15-30 minuties proofreading my posts and my arguments. And you know what? Pointless.

alexside1

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I have lots of experiences to seriously doubt that.alexside1

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I have lots of experiences to seriously doubt that.alexside1

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I have lots of experiences to seriously doubt that.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="JinjonatorX"] You spend 15-30 minutes proofreading your argument? Haha, oh wow. There's so many things wrong with that, not the least of which is the fact that it takes less than 15 minutes between each of your posts (which makes what you said blatantly and, moreover, confusingly wrong; why would you lie about something dumb like that?). Teenaged

I can sympathise since English isnt my native language but come on...

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="jaydough"] You're doubting my personal account on my own personal opinions? I used to be a creationist until someone on the internet made me realize the concept was stupid.

jaydough

[QUOTE="jaydough"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Like I said. What are the odds of someone changing their mind?alexside1