[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]Yes! :) This way your immune system builds up Either Antibodies toward it, or T-Memory Cells so that when you get infected the immune system can recognize it right away and say hey I don't like you I want you dead :D I don't feel like being bothered to look into my notes right now and see which one of the two it is :P If I remember right it's the Antibodies that react :P Both B-memory cells and T-cells play a role both B-cell primarily. Jeez man, e fought so hard to fight rubella, chicken pox, diphteria and bunch of other petty diseases e lost infants to, only to have people spout crap like this. Thanks for nothing. Sounds right! :) I just finished immunity a few months ago xP It was the most interesting chapter from anatomy / microbiology so far really x3 It makes me sad to see things like this really :P Vaccines have helped quite a bit from what I've read and been shown. and I trust my doctors enough to not inject me with fecal matter xDVaccacines are supposed to make you a little sick in order to lure out a biological response you idiot. You're injecting (parts) of dead germs/virusses.
DrTrafalgarLaw
The Vaccine Hoax is Over
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[QUOTE="67gt500"]Well I dont know if vaccines are ineffective but I know this: Every year for as long as I can remember, my sister, who is a health / fitness freak gets flu vaccine for herself and her children whereas my children and I do not... And every flu season, my sister and her children each get brutally ill, multiple times over, with flu whereas myself and my children do not... go figure...hartsickdiscipl
It's not just you. I've never had a flu shot, and I've very rarely gotten the flu. I never got chicken pox, and I've never had measles. This type of stuff is observable everywhere you look, if you look.
The plural of anecdote is not data.
hmmm, it seems you may have confused me with the TC. But to help alleviate your confusion Ill tell you this. There was a time where most of the world believe the planet was flat, these flat world believers persecuted those that saw otherwise because the people in charge felt threatened by something they themselves didnt understand or knew little about, they just couldnt have their blind followers see them and their inaccurate knowledge for what it was,... wrong information. Now, today people no longer believe the world is flat because science has expanded our minds. However, we are still learning and we still have a corrupt controlling system with many blind followers helping to maintain it, still ridiculing those that have deferring views and knowledge than what they were taught. The dates may have change but the times are still the same. Ive elaborated in other threads my opinions on the cosmos and anything else I dont agree with. And yes, history is just that (His-story), our past has been illustrated by many nations, most with conflicting views on our ancient times, whos to say whats right or whats wrong? When I finally get my time machine out of the shop maybe we can speak on the past like we actually know what were talking about, until then I'm not supporting anything I have no experience in or has no real substance to grasp on to. I'm not going to derail this topic to enlighten you on those subjects but if you insist on clarity check my posting history, atm, its not that serious to me. I never force my beliefs on anyone, only agents and those comfortable with living a lie do things like that. I believe nothing but consider everything. The obvious difference between me and many others is that Im not a follower. I dont just stop at school as far as information goes. I take that knowledge and push on, expand ideas and weigh them against alternative views. Im just not naive enough to think the buck stops at these controlled learning institutions. Schools are mainly there to train your mind on how to be a productive citizen/slave. But, the world in general has only prospered because of a few radical thinkers; people that were consider failures and dreamers. Followers almost never create or originate, they are not only unwavering blind supporters, their misery pushes them into buffoonery and are often seen as disorderly instigators. I'm really not interested in wasting time on such individuals.Bnarmzonly believes things that he can prove huh? Hmm.. I wonder how far we can take this.
Does Mars exist, or is that the government saying we have other planets in the galaxy? But since you haven't visited Mars, can't prove it. So chuck out the galaxy in your information bank.
How about atoms? Believe in those little guys with all the electrons and... say what? You haven't gone and proved that yourself? Universities brainwashing you? Sorry, atoms don't exist anymore.
The Civil War was a time in American History where.. what you say? You haven't traveled back in time and seen the battles? Old people in stuffy classrooms telling you the war happened? Guess history is out of the question.
Point is champ: the few random sites you link to how bad vaccinations are which are miniscule compared to the decades of scientific research really hold no merit. You're own anecdotal life experiences, once again, holds no merit. The thing with science is that you can't really pick and choose.
You don't believe in vaccinations? Fine, you don't believe in biology, biochemistry, and the physiology of our bodies then.
You tell us to open our eyes? Open your own. Down with big pharma you say? And when we do that, we will see the rise of Big Natural Food Stores? Where we are sold goat horns that we are to grind down and smear on our butt to cure cancer? This whole natural-no-vaccinations-no-science craze is getting annoying and dangerous quite quickly.
StrifeDelivery
[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]hmmm, it seems you may have confused me with the TC. But to help alleviate your confusion Ill tell you this. There was a time where most of the world believe the planet was flat, these flat world believers persecuted those that saw otherwise because the people in charge felt threatened by something they themselves didnt understand or knew little about, they just couldnt have their blind followers see them and their inaccurate knowledge for what it was,... wrong information. Now, today people no longer believe the world is flat because science has expanded our minds. However, we are still learning and we still have a corrupt controlling system with many blind followers helping to maintain it, still ridiculing those that have deferring views and knowledge than what they were taught. The dates may have change but the times are still the same. Ive elaborated in other threads my opinions on the cosmos and anything else I dont agree with. And yes, history is just that (His-story), our past has been illustrated by many nations, most with conflicting views on our ancient times, whos to say whats right or whats wrong? When I finally get my time machine out of the shop maybe we can speak on the past like we actually know what were talking about, until then I'm not supporting anything I have no experience in or has no real substance to grasp on to. I'm not going to derail this topic to enlighten you on those subjects but if you insist on clarity check my posting history, atm, its not that serious to me. I never force my beliefs on anyone, only agents and those comfortable with living a lie do things like that. I believe nothing but consider everything. The obvious difference between me and many others is that Im not a follower. I dont just stop at school as far as information goes. I take that knowledge and push on, expand ideas and weigh them against alternative views. Im just not naive enough to think the buck stops at these controlled learning institutions. Schools are mainly there to train your mind on how to be a productive citizen/slave. But, the world in general has only prospered because of a few radical thinkers; people that were consider failures and dreamers. Followers almost never create or originate, they are not only unwavering blind supporters, their misery pushes them into buffoonery and are often seen as disorderly instigators. I'm really not interested in wasting time on such individuals.Bnarmzonly believes things that he can prove huh? Hmm.. I wonder how far we can take this.
Does Mars exist, or is that the government saying we have other planets in the galaxy? But since you haven't visited Mars, can't prove it. So chuck out the galaxy in your information bank.
How about atoms? Believe in those little guys with all the electrons and... say what? You haven't gone and proved that yourself? Universities brainwashing you? Sorry, atoms don't exist anymore.
The Civil War was a time in American History where.. what you say? You haven't traveled back in time and seen the battles? Old people in stuffy classrooms telling you the war happened? Guess history is out of the question.
Point is champ: the few random sites you link to how bad vaccinations are which are miniscule compared to the decades of scientific research really hold no merit. You're own anecdotal life experiences, once again, holds no merit. The thing with science is that you can't really pick and choose.
You don't believe in vaccinations? Fine, you don't believe in biology, biochemistry, and the physiology of our bodies then.
You tell us to open our eyes? Open your own. Down with big pharma you say? And when we do that, we will see the rise of Big Natural Food Stores? Where we are sold goat horns that we are to grind down and smear on our butt to cure cancer? This whole natural-no-vaccinations-no-science craze is getting annoying and dangerous quite quickly.
bnarmz
tl;dr version:
Screw this system and the man, I'm doing my own thing regardless of how outlandish it is.
There is one point that I will have to argue: schools are not in the business in making drones. If we succeed in making drones, we're failing as higher learning institutions. If you look at the philosophy of any college or institution, it will mostly likely include the words "critical thinking". That doesn't mean taking information and doing the opposite of what it suggests. It means that you take the information you learn and make new connections and generate new ideas.
You are giving you ideas. You are spouting conspiracy theories, which is just a different form of following hive mind without expanding into your own ideas.
Pat yourself on the back as much as you like, but you aren't creating anything new. You're just being different for the sake of being different.
how, is it idiocy? I'm living proof that it isn't needed. Vaccines are known to make people sick before they even take them, that's idiocy if you ask me.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] With idiocy like this we are going to have a resurgence of things like Polio.. DrTrafalgarLaw
Vaccines are supposed to make you a little sick in order to lure out a biological/immune response you idiot. You're injecting (parts) of dead germs/virusses. I hope that your kind does not procreate, spouting crap like this.
I think you're overlooking the most idiotic part of that statement - vaccines make people sick before they take them.
[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]hmmm, it seems you may have confused me with the TC. But to help alleviate your confusion Ill tell you this. There was a time where most of the world believe the planet was flat, these flat world believers persecuted those that saw otherwise because the people in charge felt threatened by something they themselves didnt understand or knew little about, they just couldnt have their blind followers see them and their inaccurate knowledge for what it was,... wrong information. Now, today people no longer believe the world is flat because science has expanded our minds. However, we are still learning and we still have a corrupt controlling system with many blind followers helping to maintain it, still ridiculing those that have deferring views and knowledge than what they were taught. The dates may have change but the times are still the same. Ive elaborated in other threads my opinions on the cosmos and anything else I dont agree with. And yes, history is just that (His-story), our past has been illustrated by many nations, most with conflicting views on our ancient times, whos to say whats right or whats wrong? When I finally get my time machine out of the shop maybe we can speak on the past like we actually know what were talking about, until then I'm not supporting anything I have no experience in or has no real substance to grasp on to. I'm not going to derail this topic to enlighten you on those subjects but if you insist on clarity check my posting history, atm, its not that serious to me. I never force my beliefs on anyone, only agents and those comfortable with living a lie do things like that. I believe nothing but consider everything. The obvious difference between me and many others is that Im not a follower. I dont just stop at school as far as information goes. I take that knowledge and push on, expand ideas and weigh them against alternative views. Im just not naive enough to think the buck stops at these controlled learning institutions. Schools are mainly there to train your mind on how to be a productive citizen/slave. But, the world in general has only prospered because of a few radical thinkers; people that were consider failures and dreamers. Followers almost never create or originate, they are not only unwavering blind supporters, their misery pushes them into buffoonery and are often seen as disorderly instigators. I'm really not interested in wasting time on such individuals.Bnarmzonly believes things that he can prove huh? Hmm.. I wonder how far we can take this.
Does Mars exist, or is that the government saying we have other planets in the galaxy? But since you haven't visited Mars, can't prove it. So chuck out the galaxy in your information bank.
How about atoms? Believe in those little guys with all the electrons and... say what? You haven't gone and proved that yourself? Universities brainwashing you? Sorry, atoms don't exist anymore.
The Civil War was a time in American History where.. what you say? You haven't traveled back in time and seen the battles? Old people in stuffy classrooms telling you the war happened? Guess history is out of the question.
Point is champ: the few random sites you link to how bad vaccinations are which are miniscule compared to the decades of scientific research really hold no merit. You're own anecdotal life experiences, once again, holds no merit. The thing with science is that you can't really pick and choose.
You don't believe in vaccinations? Fine, you don't believe in biology, biochemistry, and the physiology of our bodies then.
You tell us to open our eyes? Open your own. Down with big pharma you say? And when we do that, we will see the rise of Big Natural Food Stores? Where we are sold goat horns that we are to grind down and smear on our butt to cure cancer? This whole natural-no-vaccinations-no-science craze is getting annoying and dangerous quite quickly.
bnarmz
I sincerely hope your kids are graced with the same dumb luck as you when it comes to diseases. Otherwise, they are fvcked and boy do I feel sorry for them.
sorry, i'm not interested and thats your problem, not mines. Don't expect me or others to do the things you can actually do for self with a lil more effort.[QUOTE="bnarmz"]
[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="harashawn"]Hey, there's totally a magic fairy trappen in a jar in the pantry; but it's locked and I don't feel like getting the key so if you want me to prove it's there you have to do it yourself.WhiteKnight77
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/unvaccinated/parents-of-unvaccinated-children/ ... list of people you may want to contact. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM... more insight -- Doctors, they are so used to the psychological control over their mindless patients, it's about keeping you as uninformed and subservient to their 'Guidance' there appears to be some 'freemason' control principle embedded in their whole education process, they absolutely can't stand it when people are educated and question their views. For example, many people don't know that they have an absolute right to ALL their medical records. WHY? because these family doctors, the hospitals and the entire system are set up to hide this fact from you. Impressed yet. This whole setup has been stinking from the get go. (beware, wherever there be latin... ) Doctors will even tell you that it is NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD exactly what viruses really are. If we don't really know what viruses really are, what the hell are we injecting in our bodies? It's a money making crap shoot and/or a neurochemical assault. But Ill retract the latter because this is obviously not the place for such chat, Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything.
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]
[QUOTE="bnarmz"]how, is it idiocy? I'm living proof that it isn't needed. Vaccines are known to make people sick before they even take them, that's idiocy if you ask me. worlock77
Vaccines are supposed to make you a little sick in order to lure out a biological/immune response you idiot. You're injecting (parts) of dead germs/virusses. I hope that your kind does not procreate, spouting crap like this.
I think you're overlooking the most idiotic part of that statement - vaccines make people sick before they take them.
Yeah, I called him on that previously and he still hasn't responded to it, nor the other requests.
how, is it idiocy? I'm living proof that it isn't needed. Vaccines are known to make people sick before they even take them, that's idiocy if you ask me.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] With idiocy like this we are going to have a resurgence of things like Polio.. DrTrafalgarLaw
Vaccines are supposed to make you a little sick in order to lure out a biological/immune response you idiot. You're injecting (parts) of dead germs/virusses. I hope that your kind does not procreate, spouting crap like this. This was a rushed post; it should have said Vaccines are known to make people sick after they take them. I saw this error yesterday but didnt bother to correct it because all my other posts clearly explain what I mean. I actually thought people were wise enough to see this, but seeing that some people can only find this little hiccup to jump on, I figure I respond to it. When I do have kids rest assure they will be fine and prosperous, I just hope the world isnt filled with more blind followers, cowards and haters. They are like parasites unknowingly destroying humanity and the planet with their destructive ways, procrastination and fear induced mind sets. The world can use more vigilance and healthy people.
[quote="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"]sorry, i'm not interested and thats your problem, not mines. Don't expect me or others to do the things you can actually do for self with a lil more effort. bnarmz
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/unvaccinated/parents-of-unvaccinated-children/ ... list of people you may want to contact. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM... more insight -- Doctors, they are so used to the psychological control over their mindless patients, it's about keeping you as uninformed and subservient to their 'Guidance' there appears to be some 'freemason' control principle embedded in their whole education process, they absolutely can't stand it when people are educated and question their views. For example, many people don't know that they have an absolute right to ALL their medical records. WHY? because these family doctors, the hospitals and the entire system are set up to hide this fact from you. Impressed yet. This whole setup has been stinking from the get go. (beware, wherever there be latin... ) Doctors will even tell you that it is NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD exactly what viruses really are. If we don't really know what viruses really are, what the hell are we injecting in our bodies? It's a money making crap shoot and/or a neurochemical assault. But Ill retract the latter because this is obviously not the place for such chat, Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything.Are these not the reports based on the study that was previously related about where the scientist/doctor was debunked? That study was retracted as it was untrue. Also, you really need to learn how to link to something instead of requiring someone to copy and paste something.
hmmm, it seems you may have confused me with the TC. But to help alleviate your confusion Ill tell you this. There was a time where most of the world believe the planet was flat, these flat world believers persecuted those that saw otherwise because the people in charge felt threatened by something they themselves didnt understand or knew little about, they just couldnt have their blind followers see them and their inaccurate knowledge for what it was,... wrong information. Now, today people no longer believe the world is flat because science has expanded our minds. However, we are still learning and we still have a corrupt controlling system with many blind followers helping to maintain it, still ridiculing those that have deferring views and knowledge than what they were taught. The dates may have change but the times are still the same. Ive elaborated in other threads my opinions on the cosmos and anything else I dont agree with. And yes, history is just that (His-story), our past has been illustrated by many nations, most with conflicting views on our ancient times, whos to say whats right or whats wrong? When I finally get my time machine out of the shop maybe we can speak on the past like we actually know what were talking about, until then I'm not supporting anything I have no experience in or has no real substance to grasp on to. I'm not going to derail this topic to enlighten you on those subjects but if you insist on clarity check my posting history, atm, its not that serious to me. I never force my beliefs on anyone, only agents and those comfortable with living a lie do things like that. I believe nothing but consider everything. The obvious difference between me and many others is that Im not a follower. I dont just stop at school as far as information goes. I take that knowledge and push on, expand ideas and weigh them against alternative views. Im just not naive enough to think the buck stops at these controlled learning institutions. Schools are mainly there to train your mind on how to be a productive citizen/slave. But, the world in general has only prospered because of a few radical thinkers; people that were consider failures and dreamers. Followers almost never create or originate, they are not only unwavering blind supporters, their misery pushes them into buffoonery and are often seen as disorderly instigators. I'm really not interested in wasting time on such individuals.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]
Bnarmzonly believes things that he can prove huh? Hmm.. I wonder how far we can take this.
Does Mars exist, or is that the government saying we have other planets in the galaxy? But since you haven't visited Mars, can't prove it. So chuck out the galaxy in your information bank.
How about atoms? Believe in those little guys with all the electrons and... say what? You haven't gone and proved that yourself? Universities brainwashing you? Sorry, atoms don't exist anymore.
The Civil War was a time in American History where.. what you say? You haven't traveled back in time and seen the battles? Old people in stuffy classrooms telling you the war happened? Guess history is out of the question.
Point is champ: the few random sites you link to how bad vaccinations are which are miniscule compared to the decades of scientific research really hold no merit. You're own anecdotal life experiences, once again, holds no merit. The thing with science is that you can't really pick and choose.
You don't believe in vaccinations? Fine, you don't believe in biology, biochemistry, and the physiology of our bodies then.
You tell us to open our eyes? Open your own. Down with big pharma you say? And when we do that, we will see the rise of Big Natural Food Stores? Where we are sold goat horns that we are to grind down and smear on our butt to cure cancer? This whole natural-no-vaccinations-no-science craze is getting annoying and dangerous quite quickly.
jimkabrhel
tl;dr version:
Screw this system and the man, I'm doing my own thing regardless of how outlandish it is.
There is one point that I will have to argue: schools are not in the business in making drones. If we succeed in making drones, we're failing as higher learning institutions. If you look at the philosophy of any college or institution, it will mostly likely include the words "critical thinking". That doesn't mean taking information and doing the opposite of what it suggests. It means that you take the information you learn and make new connections and generate new ideas.
You are giving you ideas. You are spouting conspiracy theories, which is just a different form of following hive mind without expanding into your own ideas.
Pat yourself on the back as much as you like, but you aren't creating anything new. You're just being different for the sake of being different.
haha, you just discribe yourself. if I never seen any bass ackward stuff this is it.There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/unvaccinated/parents-of-unvaccinated-children/ ... list of people you may want to contact. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM... more insight -- Doctors, they are so used to the psychological control over their mindless patients, it's about keeping you as uninformed and subservient to their 'Guidance' there appears to be some 'freemason' control principle embedded in their whole education process, they absolutely can't stand it when people are educated and question their views. For example, many people don't know that they have an absolute right to ALL their medical records. WHY? because these family doctors, the hospitals and the entire system are set up to hide this fact from you. Impressed yet. This whole setup has been stinking from the get go. (beware, wherever there be latin... ) Doctors will even tell you that it is NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD exactly what viruses really are. If we don't really know what viruses really are, what the hell are we injecting in our bodies? It's a money making crap shoot and/or a neurochemical assault. But Ill retract the latter because this is obviously not the place for such chat, Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything. bnarmz
You doctor will be open and informative on everything regarding your health. All you have to do is actually engage him in such dialog. Actually I'm sure why I'm even respoding to your posts, they're so full of sh*t it damn near gives me a headache just reading them. But I will say this: there's a difference between being skeptical and questiong things and being so "open minded" that your brains fall out.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] sorry, i'm not interested and thats your problem, not mines. Don't expect me or others to do the things you can actually do for self with a lil more effort. bnarmz
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/unvaccinated/parents-of-unvaccinated-children/ ... list of people you may want to contact. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM... more insight -- Doctors, they are so used to the psychological control over their mindless patients, it's about keeping you as uninformed and subservient to their 'Guidance' there appears to be some 'freemason' control principle embedded in their whole education process, they absolutely can't stand it when people are educated and question their views. For example, many people don't know that they have an absolute right to ALL their medical records. WHY? because these family doctors, the hospitals and the entire system are set up to hide this fact from you. Impressed yet. This whole setup has been stinking from the get go. (beware, wherever there be latin... ) Doctors will even tell you that it is NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD exactly what viruses really are. If we don't really know what viruses really are, what the hell are we injecting in our bodies? It's a money making crap shoot and/or a neurochemical assault. But Ill retract the latter because this is obviously not the place for such chat, Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything.You still aren't providing any primary scientific literature to support your point, and you are now exposing your bias in terms of the media, when in fact you are citing sources from the "lame stream media" including CBS and Youtube.
So which is it? Are you against mainstream media, or are you for mainstream media only when it supports your point.
As to the specifics of the CBS article, it is one scientist making suggestion based on something she is actively looking for, which has it's own bias in connection with the scientific method. The article linked within the CBS article isn't accessible. Scientists, much like forum posters, sometime will say things just to get attention.
No direct connection between vaccines and autism has been found. The source of autism is currently unknown, chemically and biologically speaking.
hmmm, it seems you may have confused me with the TC. But to help alleviate your confusion Ill tell you this. There was a time where most of the world believe the planet was flat, these flat world believers persecuted those that saw otherwise because the people in charge felt threatened by something they themselves didnt understand or knew little about, they just couldnt have their blind followers see them and their inaccurate knowledge for what it was,... wrong information. Now, today people no longer believe the world is flat because science has expanded our minds. However, we are still learning and we still have a corrupt controlling system with many blind followers helping to maintain it, still ridiculing those that have deferring views and knowledge than what they were taught. The dates may have change but the times are still the same. Ive elaborated in other threads my opinions on the cosmos and anything else I dont agree with. And yes, history is just that (His-story), our past has been illustrated by many nations, most with conflicting views on our ancient times, whos to say whats right or whats wrong? When I finally get my time machine out of the shop maybe we can speak on the past like we actually know what were talking about, until then I'm not supporting anything I have no experience in or has no real substance to grasp on to. I'm not going to derail this topic to enlighten you on those subjects but if you insist on clarity check my posting history, atm, its not that serious to me. I never force my beliefs on anyone, only agents and those comfortable with living a lie do things like that. I believe nothing but consider everything. The obvious difference between me and many others is that Im not a follower. I dont just stop at school as far as information goes. I take that knowledge and push on, expand ideas and weigh them against alternative views. Im just not naive enough to think the buck stops at these controlled learning institutions. Schools are mainly there to train your mind on how to be a productive citizen/slave. But, the world in general has only prospered because of a few radical thinkers; people that were consider failures and dreamers. Followers almost never create or originate, they are not only unwavering blind supporters, their misery pushes them into buffoonery and are often seen as disorderly instigators. I'm really not interested in wasting time on such individuals.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]
Bnarmzonly believes things that he can prove huh? Hmm.. I wonder how far we can take this.
Does Mars exist, or is that the government saying we have other planets in the galaxy? But since you haven't visited Mars, can't prove it. So chuck out the galaxy in your information bank.
How about atoms? Believe in those little guys with all the electrons and... say what? You haven't gone and proved that yourself? Universities brainwashing you? Sorry, atoms don't exist anymore.
The Civil War was a time in American History where.. what you say? You haven't traveled back in time and seen the battles? Old people in stuffy classrooms telling you the war happened? Guess history is out of the question.
Point is champ: the few random sites you link to how bad vaccinations are which are miniscule compared to the decades of scientific research really hold no merit. You're own anecdotal life experiences, once again, holds no merit. The thing with science is that you can't really pick and choose.
You don't believe in vaccinations? Fine, you don't believe in biology, biochemistry, and the physiology of our bodies then.
You tell us to open our eyes? Open your own. Down with big pharma you say? And when we do that, we will see the rise of Big Natural Food Stores? Where we are sold goat horns that we are to grind down and smear on our butt to cure cancer? This whole natural-no-vaccinations-no-science craze is getting annoying and dangerous quite quickly.
Lucky_Krystal
I sincerely hope your kids are graced with the same dumb luck as you when it comes to diseases. Otherwise, they are fvcked and boy do I feel sorry for them.
Going on generation 4 and still strong. Don't be so envious,Read through two of those links, and they all still sound like speculation and anecdotal evidence not back up by facts. I mean look at this:
So it became obvious that a list might be helpful to see how common such a phenomenon might be. Yes, yes I know of course this list is anecdotal and does not attempt to masquerade itself as a controlled randomized study. I didnt get a million dollar kickback from a major drug company in order to make it. But I mean, what if this list is an accurate reflection of a very significant determinant in the childs health vaccines. And its really as widespread and as clear as this list suggests. Who would tell us? The FDA? CDC? NIH? Your pediatrician?Thedoctorwithin
Also bnarmz, I don't envy you one bit to be honest :lol:
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] how, is it idiocy? I'm living proof that it isn't needed. Vaccines are known to make people sick before they even take them, that's idiocy if you ask me. bnarmz
Vaccines are supposed to make you a little sick in order to lure out a biological/immune response you idiot. You're injecting (parts) of dead germs/virusses. I hope that your kind does not procreate, spouting crap like this. This was a rushed post; it should have said Vaccines are known to make people sick after they take them. I saw this error yesterday but didnt bother to correct it because all my other posts clearly explain what I mean. I actually thought people were wise enough to see this, but seeing that some people can only find this little hiccup to jump on, I figure I respond to it.
That could almost be believable if not for the the way the statement is worded - "Before they even take them". It's hard to believe that's a mere typo, as "after they even take them" wouldn't make a lick of sense.
There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/unvaccinated/parents-of-unvaccinated-children/ ... list of people you may want to contact. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM... more insight -- Doctors, they are so used to the psychological control over their mindless patients, it's about keeping you as uninformed and subservient to their 'Guidance' there appears to be some 'freemason' control principle embedded in their whole education process, they absolutely can't stand it when people are educated and question their views. For example, many people don't know that they have an absolute right to ALL their medical records. WHY? because these family doctors, the hospitals and the entire system are set up to hide this fact from you. Impressed yet. This whole setup has been stinking from the get go. (beware, wherever there be latin... ) Doctors will even tell you that it is NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD exactly what viruses really are. If we don't really know what viruses really are, what the hell are we injecting in our bodies? It's a money making crap shoot and/or a neurochemical assault. But Ill retract the latter because this is obviously not the place for such chat, Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
jimkabrhel
You still aren't providing any primary scientific literature to support your point, and you are now exposing your bias in terms of the media, when in fact you are citing sources from the "lame stream media" including CBS and Youtube.
So which is it? Are you against mainstream media, or are you for mainstream media only when it supports your point.
As to the specifics of the CBS article, it is one scientist making suggestion based on something she is actively looking for, which has it's own bias in connection with the scientific method. The article linked within the CBS article isn't accessible. Scientists, much like forum posters, sometime will say things just to get attention.
No direct connection between vaccines and autism has been found. The source of autism is currently unknown, chemically and biologically speaking.
I have no concerns with what you put in your body, just mines. I give out a source as a starting point but you seem to expect me to do all your reserch, that's not going to happen. As I said before I'm living proof and it's hilarious to know that there are people here going to the extremes to not believe me. Even when I say it's perfectly fine if you don't believe me. I'll continue to prosper like my previous generations. And I guess people will continue to be upset for that very reason, wow, smh.There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/unvaccinated/parents-of-unvaccinated-children/ ... list of people you may want to contact. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20049118-10391695.html.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VbeP8qOnM... more insight -- Doctors, they are so used to the psychological control over their mindless patients, it's about keeping you as uninformed and subservient to their 'Guidance' there appears to be some 'freemason' control principle embedded in their whole education process, they absolutely can't stand it when people are educated and question their views. For example, many people don't know that they have an absolute right to ALL their medical records. WHY? because these family doctors, the hospitals and the entire system are set up to hide this fact from you. Impressed yet. This whole setup has been stinking from the get go. (beware, wherever there be latin... ) Doctors will even tell you that it is NOT TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD exactly what viruses really are. If we don't really know what viruses really are, what the hell are we injecting in our bodies? It's a money making crap shoot and/or a neurochemical assault. But Ill retract the latter because this is obviously not the place for such chat, Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][quote="WhiteKnight77"]
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
WhiteKnight77
Are these not the reports based on the study that was previously related about where the scientist/doctor was debunked? That study was retracted as it was untrue. Also, you really need to learn how to link to something instead of requiring someone to copy and paste something.
there are many reports many studies, I don't know if it's the same. And, I've yet to learn how to link sites, spell check, make paragraphs on this site, and my post almost always come out in walls of text (even when i originally made paragraphs). There is a glitch or problem with this site, but I don't think it's a hugh one, I'm still able to get by while being limited.I have no concerns with what you put in your body, just mines. I give out a source as a starting point but you seem to expect me to do all your reserch, that's not going to happen. As I said before I'm living proof and it's hilarious to know that there are people here going to the extremes to not believe me. Even when I say it's perfectly fine if you don't believe me. I'll continue to prosper like my previous generations. And I guess people will continue to be upset for that very reason, wow, smh. bnarmz
We can accept that you have been healthy, but when you make claims, you have to support said claims with clear cut results, not from someone who states it is anecdotical evidence to begin with as all you are doing is providing the same. You have to provide the proof from a reputible source with reputable data. I already told you that you cannot disavow others proof (and not read it) if you are not going to provide proof otherwise.
there are many reports many studies, I don't know if it's the same. And, I've yet to learn how to link sites, spell check, make paragraphs on this site, and my post almost always come out in walls of text (even when i originally made paragraphs). There is a glitch or problem with this site, but I don't think it's a hugh one, I'm still able to get by while being limited.bnarmz
If there are so many reports, then you need to read them before posting them to support your position. To post a URL, just use [*url=http://www.websitenamehere.com]Website page name[/*url] without the stars to post a link.
This was a rushed post; it should have said Vaccines are known to make people sick after they take them. I saw this error yesterday but didnt bother to correct it because all my other posts clearly explain what I mean. I actually thought people were wise enough to see this, but seeing that some people can only find this little hiccup to jump on, I figure I respond to it.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]
Vaccines are supposed to make you a little sick in order to lure out a biological/immune response you idiot. You're injecting (parts) of dead germs/virusses. I hope that your kind does not procreate, spouting crap like this.worlock77
That could almost be believable if not for the the way the statement is worded - "Before they even take them". It's hard to believe that's a mere typo, as "after they even take them" wouldn't make a lick of sense.
well, i see tnow that you are only believing what you want. You are the one with problems if you can't see that as a simple error, and to continue to harp on it when in fact that error clearly contradicts my position.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] This was a rushed post; it should have said Vaccines are known to make people sick after they take them. I saw this error yesterday but didnt bother to correct it because all my other posts clearly explain what I mean. I actually thought people were wise enough to see this, but seeing that some people can only find this little hiccup to jump on, I figure I respond to it. bnarmz
That could almost be believable if not for the the way the statement is worded - "Before they even take them". It's hard to believe that's a mere typo, as "after they even take them" wouldn't make a lick of sense.
well, i see tnow that you are only believing what you want. You are the one with problems if you can't see that as a simple error, and to continue to harp on it when in fact that error clearly contradicts my position.I don't believe it was a simple error at all. The phrasing of your entire statement, not just one word, belies your claim of it being an error. I believe you made a damn stupid statement and are now trying to backpeddle out of it.
[QUOTE="worlock77"]
You doctor will be open and informative on everything regarding your health. All you have to do is actually engage him in such dialog. Actually I'm sure why I'm even respoding to your posts, they're so full of sh*t it damn near gives me a headache just reading them. But I will say this: there's a difference between being skeptical and questiong things and being so "open minded" that your brains fall out.
meconate
What bnarmz has successfully done is made these claims, patted himself on the back, but failed to prove any of what he's informing/warning us of is actually true... why? Because conspiracy theorists have no professional idea of what they're actually talking about, yet somehow they know more about fire than a fireman, more about science than a scientist, and bnarmz here knows more about vaccines, medicine etc than a doctor.
But yeah, so long as a YouTube video with scary music provides their insecure and paranoid needs, then they must be right.
Ok, let me be clear here. What am I informing you of? someone wanted links to something concerning vaccines so I threw them a bone, i never told anyone what to do or believe. All I did was state my experience and people now want me to find links for my experience?, lol.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] This was a rushed post; it should have said Vaccines are known to make people sick after they take them. I saw this error yesterday but didnt bother to correct it because all my other posts clearly explain what I mean. I actually thought people were wise enough to see this, but seeing that some people can only find this little hiccup to jump on, I figure I respond to it. bnarmz
That could almost be believable if not for the the way the statement is worded - "Before they even take them". It's hard to believe that's a mere typo, as "after they even take them" wouldn't make a lick of sense.
well, i see tnow that you are only believing what you want. You are the one with problems if you can't see that as a simple error, and to continue to harp on it when in fact that error clearly contradicts my position.The major difference between you and everyone else in this thread is that you are not making an educated judgement on the topic. You are basing your opinion on vaccines to your health (and perhaps a few others). Any statistician would tell you that is not a good sampling.
[QUOTE="bnarmz"]
I have no concerns with what you put in your body, just mines. I give out a source as a starting point but you seem to expect me to do all your reserch, that's not going to happen. As I said before I'm living proof and it's hilarious to know that there are people here going to the extremes to not believe me. Even when I say it's perfectly fine if you don't believe me. I'll continue to prosper like my previous generations. And I guess people will continue to be upset for that very reason, wow, smh. WhiteKnight77
We can accept that you have been healthy, but when you make claims, you have to support said claims with clear cut results, not from someone who states it is anecdotical evidence to begin with as all you are doing is providing the same. You have to provide the proof from a reputible source with reputable data. I already told you that you cannot disavow others proof (and not read it) if you are not going to provide proof otherwise.
Where did I do this? are you confusing me with TC?[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"]
I have no concerns with what you put in your body, just mines. I give out a source as a starting point but you seem to expect me to do all your reserch, that's not going to happen. As I said before I'm living proof and it's hilarious to know that there are people here going to the extremes to not believe me. Even when I say it's perfectly fine if you don't believe me. I'll continue to prosper like my previous generations. And I guess people will continue to be upset for that very reason, wow, smh. bnarmz
We can accept that you have been healthy, but when you make claims, you have to support said claims with clear cut results, not from someone who states it is anecdotical evidence to begin with as all you are doing is providing the same. You have to provide the proof from a reputible source with reputable data. I already told you that you cannot disavow others proof (and not read it) if you are not going to provide proof otherwise.
Where did I do this? are you confusing me with TC?He's talking about you. TC hasn't been in the thread for awhile and you took the torch.
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"]
I have no concerns with what you put in your body, just mines. I give out a source as a starting point but you seem to expect me to do all your reserch, that's not going to happen. As I said before I'm living proof and it's hilarious to know that there are people here going to the extremes to not believe me. Even when I say it's perfectly fine if you don't believe me. I'll continue to prosper like my previous generations. And I guess people will continue to be upset for that very reason, wow, smh. bnarmz
We can accept that you have been healthy, but when you make claims, you have to support said claims with clear cut results, not from someone who states it is anecdotical evidence to begin with as all you are doing is providing the same. You have to provide the proof from a reputible source with reputable data. I already told you that you cannot disavow others proof (and not read it) if you are not going to provide proof otherwise.
Where did I do this? are you confusing me with TC?You're kidding right? First post on page 14 you posted a link to a site where the writer of the article you posted to support you claim stated upfront that it was merely anecdotal.
well, i see tnow that you are only believing what you want. You are the one with problems if you can't see that as a simple error, and to continue to harp on it when in fact that error clearly contradicts my position.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
That could almost be believable if not for the the way the statement is worded - "Before they even take them". It's hard to believe that's a mere typo, as "after they even take them" wouldn't make a lick of sense.
jimkabrhel
The major difference between you and everyone else in this thread is that you are not making an educated judgement on the topic. You are basing your opinion on vaccines to your health (and perhaps a few others). Any statistician would tell you that is not a good sampling.
but you are doing the same thing. just because your sources may be more popular doesn't mean they are more accurate. I even gave an example on that (the world is flat believers). My true source is my family bloodline, do you know any of them? maybe, maybe not. but they are immunization free. that's more than enough proof for me and thats all I ever really said in this thread. Most of you guys are either confusing me with T.C. or trying way to hard making a mountain out of a molehill.[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] well, i see tnow that you are only believing what you want. You are the one with problems if you can't see that as a simple error, and to continue to harp on it when in fact that error clearly contradicts my position.bnarmz
The major difference between you and everyone else in this thread is that you are not making an educated judgement on the topic. You are basing your opinion on vaccines to your health (and perhaps a few others). Any statistician would tell you that is not a good sampling.
but you are doing the same thing. just because your sources may be more popular doesn't mean they are more accurate. I even gave an example on that (the world is flat believers). My true source is my family bloodline, do you know any of them? maybe, maybe not. but they are immunization free. that's more than enough proof for me and thats all I ever really said in this thread. Most of you guys are either confusing me with T.C. or trying way to hard making a mountain out of a molehill.The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
Where did I do this? are you confusing me with TC?[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
We can accept that you have been healthy, but when you make claims, you have to support said claims with clear cut results, not from someone who states it is anecdotical evidence to begin with as all you are doing is providing the same. You have to provide the proof from a reputible source with reputable data. I already told you that you cannot disavow others proof (and not read it) if you are not going to provide proof otherwise.
worlock77
You're kidding right? First post on page 14 you posted a link to a site where the writer of the article you posted to support you claim stated upfront that it was merely anecdotal.
and those were the only links and they were directed to another user. Anyone can make claims, and there are experts in these fields with defering opinions on the matter. If the control system is challenged it will deal with those who challenge it, surely you know this. It's not the first time professionals were deemed crazy or unfit because they didn't go with the status quo. and I'm not in the biz of authenticating evidence for anyone. You guys can do that for yourself. I don't need the proof, i'm living proof. And I can live with that.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] Where did I do this? are you confusing me with TC?bnarmz
You're kidding right? First post on page 14 you posted a link to a site where the writer of the article you posted to support you claim stated upfront that it was merely anecdotal.
and those were the only links and they were directed to another user. Anyone can make claims, and there are experts in these fields with defering opinions on the matter. If the control system is challenged it will deal with those who challenge it, surely you know this. It's not the first time professionals were deemed crazy or unfit because they didn't go with the status quo. and I'm not in the biz of authenticating evidence for anyone. You guys can do that for yourself. I don't need the proof, i'm living proof. And I can live with that.In other words, you are going to immediately dismiss any scientific evidence that is presented, because it comes from governmental and academic source, which you irrationally distrust. You have created for yourself a system that prevents you from seeing outside your ignorant bubble, and thus, you feel yourself always right and immune to criticism.
but you are doing the same thing. just because your sources may be more popular doesn't mean they are more accurate. I even gave an example on that (the world is flat believers). My true source is my family bloodline, do you know any of them? maybe, maybe not. but they are immunization free. that's more than enough proof for me and thats all I ever really said in this thread. Most of you guys are either confusing me with T.C. or trying way to hard making a mountain out of a molehill.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
The major difference between you and everyone else in this thread is that you are not making an educated judgement on the topic. You are basing your opinion on vaccines to your health (and perhaps a few others). Any statistician would tell you that is not a good sampling.
jimkabrhel
The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?
and those were the only links and they were directed to another user. Anyone can make claims, and there are experts in these fields with defering opinions on the matter. If the control system is challenged it will deal with those who challenge it, surely you know this. It's not the first time professionals were deemed crazy or unfit because they didn't go with the status quo. and I'm not in the biz of authenticating evidence for anyone. You guys can do that for yourself. I don't need the proof, i'm living proof. And I can live with that.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
You're kidding right? First post on page 14 you posted a link to a site where the writer of the article you posted to support you claim stated upfront that it was merely anecdotal.
jimkabrhel
In other words, you are going to immediately dismiss any scientific evidence that is presented, because it comes from governmental and academic source, which you irrationally distrust. You have created for yourself a system that prevents you from seeing outside your ignorant bubble, and thus, you feel yourself always right and immune to criticism.
I don't know if you're talking to me or talking to the mirror. Meh, hey believe what you want. I'll be fine.[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] but you are doing the same thing. just because your sources may be more popular doesn't mean they are more accurate. I even gave an example on that (the world is flat believers). My true source is my family bloodline, do you know any of them? maybe, maybe not. but they are immunization free. that's more than enough proof for me and thats all I ever really said in this thread. Most of you guys are either confusing me with T.C. or trying way to hard making a mountain out of a molehill. bnarmz
The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?My uncle's never been in a car accident and he drives drunk all the time. My family history proves that driving while drunk isn't a dangerous thing to do.
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] and those were the only links and they were directed to another user. Anyone can make claims, and there are experts in these fields with defering opinions on the matter. If the control system is challenged it will deal with those who challenge it, surely you know this. It's not the first time professionals were deemed crazy or unfit because they didn't go with the status quo. and I'm not in the biz of authenticating evidence for anyone. You guys can do that for yourself. I don't need the proof, i'm living proof. And I can live with that. bnarmz
In other words, you are going to immediately dismiss any scientific evidence that is presented, because it comes from governmental and academic source, which you irrationally distrust. You have created for yourself a system that prevents you from seeing outside your ignorant bubble, and thus, you feel yourself always right and immune to criticism.
I don't know if you're talking to me or talking to the mirror. Meh, hey believe what you want. I'll be fine.You'd be a very interesting student to have in my chemistry course. You probably wouldn't believe a word I said, though most of it comes from most accepted chemistry textbooks.
You need a sig and avatar bnarmzdave123321thought about it for a while now, I figure I'll wait to i reach the 1000 post mark and give myself one as a celebration. I don't know what to use but I'm sure some people around here would like to make one for me. probably be the most vile looking thing humans has ever layed it's eyes on, *shrugs*
[QUOTE="dave123321"]You need a sig and avatar bnarmzbnarmzthought about it for a while now, I figure I'll wait to i reach the 1000 post mark and give myself one as a celebration. I don't know what to use but I'm sure some people around here would like to make one for me. probably be the most vile looking thing humans has ever layed it's eyes on, *shrugs*
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
thought about it for a while now, I figure I'll wait to i reach the 1000 post mark and give myself one as a celebration. I don't know what to use but I'm sure some people around here would like to make one for me. probably be the most vile looking thing humans has ever layed it's eyes on, *shrugs*[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="dave123321"]You need a sig and avatar bnarmztenaka2
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
Yeah, it makes me feel better knowing at least I'm notthat crazy and sad.
I have something to compare my life to, and feel better about!
But than I remember someone like Brad Pitt is a person that exists who is rich and famous and attractive and I feel sad again knowing I'm only feeling better compared to some sadder, possibly trolling, crazy person on the internet.
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[QUOTE="bnarmz"] thought about it for a while now, I figure I'll wait to i reach the 1000 post mark and give myself one as a celebration. I don't know what to use but I'm sure some people around here would like to make one for me. probably be the most vile looking thing humans has ever layed it's eyes on, *shrugs*SPYDER0416
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
Yeah, it makes me feel better knowing at least I'm notthat crazy and sad.
I have something to compare my life to, and feel better about!
But than I remember someone like Brad Pitt is a person that exists who is rich and famous and attractive and I feel sad again knowing I'm only feeling better compared to some sadder, possibly trolling, crazy person on the internet.
Would Brad Pitt have achieved the same if the was in your body?thought about it for a while now, I figure I'll wait to i reach the 1000 post mark and give myself one as a celebration. I don't know what to use but I'm sure some people around here would like to make one for me. probably be the most vile looking thing humans has ever layed it's eyes on, *shrugs*[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="dave123321"]You need a sig and avatar bnarmztenaka2
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
ok, thanks for the vote of confidence, haha. In my observation the only truly crazy people are the ones calling others crazy. Everyone is wired differently; everyone has their own views and experiences. You have to be insane to think that you are actually sane. I mean, whose right is it to set that standard? I never liked that game Simon Says. I guess if you stick out and possess a different mindset than the well trained populace you will be viewed in this light. I've found that many people who are entrenched in their beliefs act this way towards those that are against it. You can see this everywhere. But, opinions has never really affected my life, I just consider, toss some salt, and move on. I guess its a good thing that Im not a failure at life, at least not to the point where I lack self confidence where as I feel better about myself when comparing my life with strangers on the internet. Hopefully things will never get that bad for me. ;-P
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]"I'm not going to think for myself unless the media tells me it's ok"Unless you post the secret documents and they are without reproach, I'm going to trust decades of research and medical literature.
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I'm sure it was geniuses like you, rather than the vaccines, who eliminated the smallpox.
Now go crawl somewhere else you illiterate.
[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]This helps my argument.[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] I believe 9/11 is a load of horse crap and am a bit skeptical on bin laden's death still, but other than that, I don't think the moon landing was fake, vaccines are awful, chemtrails are real, or aliens built the pyramids :P-RocBoys9489-
The 9/11 thing I mean.
Not gonna waste my breath on it, but I didn't think it until last year. Wikileaks documents was the cherry on top of it all for me also. And the pentagon having no video footage. Please don't turn this into a 10 page argument lol.Yeah, I'm starting to think there's a direct link between being a libertarian and being paranoid/anti-intellectual.Please Log In to post.
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