this thread stings my nostrils
The Vaccine Hoax is Over
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] sorry, i'm not interested and thats your problem, not mines. Don't expect me or others to do the things you can actually do for self with a lil more effort. bnarmz
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. -snip-. list of people you may want to contact. -snip.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http:snip-.. more insight -- Doctors, (BEWARE LATIN)So your sources are a random website.... and a youtube site..... and a news site Hmmm SOUNDS LEGIT Why not show real evidence on any of your claims ? :3 then people will surely believe you Sorry news reporters don't count, nor do your friends on youtube. Or the "doctorwithin" who started a website.
and bwahaha beware latin? Sorry that anatomy is taught in comparison with latin words, it's not some scam to make sure you don't read it.
Not gonna waste my breath on it, but I didn't think it until last year. Wikileaks documents was the cherry on top of it all for me also. And the pentagon having no video footage. Please don't turn this into a 10 page argument lol.Yeah, I'm starting to think there's a direct link between being a libertarian and being paranoid/anti-intellectual. I've met some incredibly brilliantly, rational and reasonable libertarians. Unfortunately for every one of them I've encountered three dozen who are absolutely bat sh*t.[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]This helps my argument.
The 9/11 thing I mean.
MakeMeaSammitch
[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]Yeah, I'm starting to think there's a direct link between being a libertarian and being paranoid/anti-intellectual. I've met some incredibly brilliantly, rational and reasonable libertarians. Unfortunately for every one of them I've encountered three dozen who are absolutely bat sh*t.can't say I've met a smart one, but maybe the smarter ones just aren't super vocal about their views.[QUOTE="-RocBoys9489-"] Not gonna waste my breath on it, but I didn't think it until last year. Wikileaks documents was the cherry on top of it all for me also. And the pentagon having no video footage. Please don't turn this into a 10 page argument lol.worlock77
This vaccine thing is just sad.
This thread is carcinogenic.
[QUOTE="tenaka2"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] thought about it for a while now, I figure I'll wait to i reach the 1000 post mark and give myself one as a celebration. I don't know what to use but I'm sure some people around here would like to make one for me. probably be the most vile looking thing humans has ever layed it's eyes on, *shrugs*bnarmz
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
ok, thanks for the vote of confidence, haha. In my observation the only truly crazy people are the ones calling others crazy. Everyone is wired differently; everyone has their own views and experiences. You have to be insane to think that you are actually sane. I mean, whose right is it to set that standard? I never liked that game Simon Says. I guess if you stick out and possess a different mindset than the well trained populace you will be viewed in this light. I've found that many people who are entrenched in their beliefs act this way towards those that are against it. You can see this everywhere. But, opinions has never really affected my life, I just consider, toss some salt, and move on. I guess its a good thing that Im not a failure at life, at least not to the point where I lack self confidence where as I feel better about myself when comparing my life with strangers on the internet. Hopefully things will never get that bad for me. ;-PWhat the hell are you blabbering on about?
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] but you are doing the same thing. just because your sources may be more popular doesn't mean they are more accurate. I even gave an example on that (the world is flat believers). My true source is my family bloodline, do you know any of them? maybe, maybe not. but they are immunization free. that's more than enough proof for me and thats all I ever really said in this thread. Most of you guys are either confusing me with T.C. or trying way to hard making a mountain out of a molehill. bnarmz
The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?There is so much wrong with this last post it is hilarious. First off, popular beliefs don't always equal scientific evidence and theories. For instance, this anti-vaccination crowd is slowly growing into a vocal group that may continue onto its path to be the popular belief, but as we would see would not mesh with scientific evidence.
To take on the belief of strangers? How do you think people acquire knowledge at all? You think I can go and just grab a cadaver to learn everything about anatomy and physiology? Should I get access to radioactive isomers to test my knowledge on chemistry? If we had to go and learn everything from scratch then we would make no progression in the fields of well anything.
And to go off your last bit there, injecting known harmful things into the body? Not true really, but your lack of understanding of biology, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology, and chemistry show that anything you say without credible (hence the word) credible information means nothing. I know some chemistry, and can tell you that it is fine, but I can admit that I don't know as much chemistry as sayjimkabrhel here. So if he says something regarding chemistry, then I would be more inclined (not total follower), but more inclined to listen to him because his information makes sense.
I feel sad that this anti-knowledge, anti-science crowd is slowly growing.
what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
StrifeDelivery
There is so much wrong with this last post it is hilarious. First off, popular beliefs don't always equal scientific evidence and theories. For instance, this anti-vaccination crowd is slowly growing into a vocal group that may continue onto its path to be the popular belief, but as we would see would not mesh with scientific evidence.
To take on the belief of strangers? How do you think people acquire knowledge at all? You think I can go and just grab a cadaver to learn everything about anatomy and physiology? Should I get access to radioactive isomers to test my knowledge on chemistry? If we had to go and learn everything from scratch then we would make no progression in the fields of well anything.
And to go off your last bit there, injecting known harmful things into the body? Not true really, but your lack of understanding of biology, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology, and chemistry show that anything you say without credible (hence the word) credible information means nothing. I know some chemistry, and can tell you that it is fine, but I can admit that I don't know as much chemistry as sayjimkabrhel here. So if he says something regarding chemistry, then I would be more inclined (not total follower), but more inclined to listen to him because his information makes sense.
I feel sad that this anti-knowledge, anti-science crowd is slowly growing.
T.C Doesn't care :P His family history is best forget science? :P Even if it is proven right
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
bnarmz
This is exactly what I am talking about when making claims. Here you are, stating that hundreds and thousands of professionals are going against popular belief. Where is the proof to back up said assertion? Show us those professionals that have taken the time to refute, through scientific study, that vaccines do more harm than good. You made this claim, now you have to provide the proof.
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]"I'm not going to think for myself unless the media tells me it's ok" "I'm going to believe everything I read.....unless there is logic and facts to it then it is just propaganda!"Unless you post the secret documents and they are without reproach, I'm going to trust decades of research and medical literature.
weedfacekilla
There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. -snip-. list of people you may want to contact. -snip.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http:snip-.. more insight -- Doctors, (BEWARE LATIN)[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
This is really rich. You tell people that they can find some of the scientific studies of which you are referring to yet complain about people wanting you to do research about how well vaccines work and what not.
You will not read what people have posted and then you tell them that they need to do the research to back up your claim. Sorry, it just does not work like that. If you make a claim, you have to provide the evidence. Don't expect someone else to prove that you are right, that is your responsibility in a debate just as the other party(s) have to back up their claims. You have yet to provide any evidence backing you your claims and expect people to take your word for it, sorry, it's not going to happen.
If your parents sued the local school board so they didn't have to have you immunized, there will be a case number, date of the case and such detailing the outcome that you can post so it can be read. It will include the school system and yours and your parents name in the case. Being that they sued, their name is part of the public record and there is no reason why you cannot post it.
TrainerCeleste
So your sources are a random website.... and a youtube site..... and a news site Hmmm SOUNDS LEGIT Why not show real evidence on any of your claims ? :3 then people will surely believe you Sorry news reporters don't count, nor do your friends on youtube. Or the "doctorwithin" who started a website.
and bwahaha beware latin? Sorry that anatomy is taught in comparison with latin words, it's not some scam to make sure you don't read it.
you guys still going with this? Those are not my sources; those are just randomly picked sites to start off your own research. If youre too lazy or just dont want to do the rest, fine, dont expect me to assist you with your handicap. Ive offered a list of people who havent been vaccinated (you can possibly contact and/or research). I also offered a vid of someone (a professional) who used to work in the field, if you dont believe the credentials of the many other professionals going against these vaccines, cool, thats a problem youll have to deal with, not me. And I offered a recent vid with CNN. I guess they are no longer considered a good source of current events anymore for some people, huh? I can agree with that to a stint, but the vid was to show that the research is still ongoing. It literally took me minutes to post those links, I didnt even look for anything else because I dont have to.xD. The simple fact that my fam was able to do without injections is all the proof I need. Believe what you want, Im not here to judge or persuade. The fam and I are well off, theres no need for me to be taking this serious, I mean, why should I? To be fair, I do see the concerns of some people here, but I can assure you that there is nothing to be worried about on my end. Im not going to give you or anyone else cotties, lol.ok, thanks for the vote of confidence, haha. In my observation the only truly crazy people are the ones calling others crazy. Everyone is wired differently; everyone has their own views and experiences. You have to be insane to think that you are actually sane. I mean, whose right is it to set that standard? I never liked that game Simon Says. I guess if you stick out and possess a different mindset than the well trained populace you will be viewed in this light. I've found that many people who are entrenched in their beliefs act this way towards those that are against it. You can see this everywhere. But, opinions has never really affected my life, I just consider, toss some salt, and move on. I guess its a good thing that Im not a failure at life, at least not to the point where I lack self confidence where as I feel better about myself when comparing my life with strangers on the internet. Hopefully things will never get that bad for me. ;-P[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
SPYDER0416
What the hell are you blabbering on about?
haha, stop fronting, you know exactly what it is.what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
StrifeDelivery
There is so much wrong with this last post it is hilarious. First off, popular beliefs don't always equal scientific evidence and theories. For instance, this anti-vaccination crowd is slowly growing into a vocal group that may continue onto its path to be the popular belief, but as we would see would not mesh with scientific evidence.
To take on the belief of strangers? How do you think people acquire knowledge at all? You think I can go and just grab a cadaver to learn everything about anatomy and physiology? Should I get access to radioactive isomers to test my knowledge on chemistry? If we had to go and learn everything from scratch then we would make no progression in the fields of well anything.
And to go off your last bit there, injecting known harmful things into the body? Not true really, but your lack of understanding of biology, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology, and chemistry show that anything you say without credible (hence the word) credible information means nothing. I know some chemistry, and can tell you that it is fine, but I can admit that I don't know as much chemistry as sayjimkabrhel here. So if he says something regarding chemistry, then I would be more inclined (not total follower), but more inclined to listen to him because his information makes sense.
I feel sad that this anti-knowledge, anti-science crowd is slowly growing.
Dont feel sad, Im not feeling sad or upset because people dont want to expand their own knowledge. Just as long as I have all the understanding I need (when it comes to putting contaminants into my body), thats all that matters to me. Im not letting anyone inject a virus and poisons into my body when my body is already capable. No one in my fam gets sick. But it seems like sicknesses is a normal occurrences in the general populace these days, wonder why. If I was you, maybe I would be concern too. But obviously Im not so the concern is not there. I say No thanks to vaccines, Ive been doing great without them, and if you cant appreciate that fact and be happy for someone that can avoid sicknesses than you may have other issues too that are in need of treatment. Just to add: Theres a lady in my office right now infecting people with her cold, she claims she got it Saturday right after her flu shot. So what happens? Now my assistant is coming down with her bug and possibly 3 other people here as well. But guess what? Im not feeling the least bit under the weather at all. My immune system is strong I dont even think twice about walking around with sanitizers and wiping off everything I touch, Im not that weak. Im thinking it has a lot to do with a healthy non-tampered with immune system, and also my diet. This topic has been very timely in some ways.[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body? TrainerCeleste
There is so much wrong with this last post it is hilarious. First off, popular beliefs don't always equal scientific evidence and theories. For instance, this anti-vaccination crowd is slowly growing into a vocal group that may continue onto its path to be the popular belief, but as we would see would not mesh with scientific evidence.
To take on the belief of strangers? How do you think people acquire knowledge at all? You think I can go and just grab a cadaver to learn everything about anatomy and physiology? Should I get access to radioactive isomers to test my knowledge on chemistry? If we had to go and learn everything from scratch then we would make no progression in the fields of well anything.
And to go off your last bit there, injecting known harmful things into the body? Not true really, but your lack of understanding of biology, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology, and chemistry show that anything you say without credible (hence the word) credible information means nothing. I know some chemistry, and can tell you that it is fine, but I can admit that I don't know as much chemistry as sayjimkabrhel here. So if he says something regarding chemistry, then I would be more inclined (not total follower), but more inclined to listen to him because his information makes sense.
I feel sad that this anti-knowledge, anti-science crowd is slowly growing.
T.C Doesn't care :P His family history is best forget science? :P Even if it is proven right Wow, fools still confusing me with the TC, I guess I should also feel proud that this sought of ineptitude doesnt exist in my fam either. lol
ok, thanks for the vote of confidence, haha. In my observation the only truly crazy people are the ones calling others crazy. Everyone is wired differently; everyone has their own views and experiences. You have to be insane to think that you are actually sane. I mean, whose right is it to set that standard? I never liked that game Simon Says. I guess if you stick out and possess a different mindset than the well trained populace you will be viewed in this light. I've found that many people who are entrenched in their beliefs act this way towards those that are against it. You can see this everywhere. But, opinions has never really affected my life, I just consider, toss some salt, and move on. I guess its a good thing that Im not a failure at life, at least not to the point where I lack self confidence where as I feel better about myself when comparing my life with strangers on the internet. Hopefully things will never get that bad for me. ;-P[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]
Don't be like that OT appreciates the odd crazy person that adds some spice.
SPYDER0416
What the hell are you blabbering on about?
He has been going on these strange/odd rants all thread.what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body?[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
The information I posted from from peer reviewed journals based on scientific information from hundreds, if not thousands of scientists. Are you really suggesting that means less than your family history?
WhiteKnight77
This is exactly what I am talking about when making claims. Here you are, stating that hundreds and thousands of professionals are going against popular belief. Where is the proof to back up said assertion? Show us those professionals that have taken the time to refute, through scientific study, that vaccines do more harm than good. You made this claim, now you have to provide the proof.
If you are expecting a government seal of approval with every statement, vid and documentationthan you will never believe what others say outside of it, just what your flawed corrupt governments train you to believe. I only lead a horse to water, I dont make it drink. Charge up you own BS detector and hit the field, learn to discern and separate the wheat from the chaff. Ill even help you. But, first I would like you to copy and paste my claims because in my mind youre got me confused with someone else. I can and already did elaborate on everything I said.
[QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body? bnarmz
There is so much wrong with this last post it is hilarious. First off, popular beliefs don't always equal scientific evidence and theories. For instance, this anti-vaccination crowd is slowly growing into a vocal group that may continue onto its path to be the popular belief, but as we would see would not mesh with scientific evidence.
To take on the belief of strangers? How do you think people acquire knowledge at all? You think I can go and just grab a cadaver to learn everything about anatomy and physiology? Should I get access to radioactive isomers to test my knowledge on chemistry? If we had to go and learn everything from scratch then we would make no progression in the fields of well anything.
And to go off your last bit there, injecting known harmful things into the body? Not true really, but your lack of understanding of biology, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology, and chemistry show that anything you say without credible (hence the word) credible information means nothing. I know some chemistry, and can tell you that it is fine, but I can admit that I don't know as much chemistry as sayjimkabrhel here. So if he says something regarding chemistry, then I would be more inclined (not total follower), but more inclined to listen to him because his information makes sense.
I feel sad that this anti-knowledge, anti-science crowd is slowly growing.
Dont feel sad, Im not feeling sad or upset because people dont want to expand their own knowledge. Just as long as I have all the understanding I need (when it comes to putting contaminants into my body), thats all that matters to me. Im not letting anyone inject a virus and poisons into my body when my body is already capable. No one in my fam gets sick. But it seems like sicknesses is a normal occurrences in the general populace these days, wonder why. If I was you, maybe I would be concern too. But obviously Im not so the concern is not there. I say No thanks to vaccines, Ive been doing great without them, and if you cant appreciate that fact and be happy for someone that can avoid sicknesses than you may have other issues too that are in need of treatment. Just to add: Theres a lady in my office right now infecting people with her cold, she claims she got it Saturday right after her flu shot. So what happens? Now my assistant is coming down with her bug and possibly 3 other people here as well. But guess what? Im not feeling the least bit under the weather at all. My immune system is strong I dont even think twice about walking around with sanitizers and wiping off everything I touch, Im not that weak. Im thinking it has a lot to do with a healthy non-tampered with immune system, and also my diet. This topic has been very timely in some ways.Your first sentence in this post is complete hypocrisy. You are refusing to see things from anyone else point of view, or see evidence that contradicts your own. As with many posters on OT, when you are challenged, you resort to insults, rather than actually engaging ideas that might expand YOUR knowledge.
[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] ok, thanks for the vote of confidence, haha. In my observation the only truly crazy people are the ones calling others crazy. Everyone is wired differently; everyone has their own views and experiences. You have to be insane to think that you are actually sane. I mean, whose right is it to set that standard? I never liked that game Simon Says. I guess if you stick out and possess a different mindset than the well trained populace you will be viewed in this light. I've found that many people who are entrenched in their beliefs act this way towards those that are against it. You can see this everywhere. But, opinions has never really affected my life, I just consider, toss some salt, and move on. I guess its a good thing that Im not a failure at life, at least not to the point where I lack self confidence where as I feel better about myself when comparing my life with strangers on the internet. Hopefully things will never get that bad for me. ;-P dave123321
What the hell are you blabbering on about?
He has been going on these strange/odd rants all thread. but, I'm not the one ranting, lol. Ive been very respectful and even offer to clear up any confusion. It's nothing for me to leave this thread. I don't take it serious, not like others here.Dont feel sad, Im not feeling sad or upset because people dont want to expand their own knowledge. Just as long as I have all the understanding I need (when it comes to putting contaminants into my body), thats all that matters to me. Im not letting anyone inject a virus and poisons into my body when my body is already capable. No one in my fam gets sick. But it seems like sicknesses is a normal occurrences in the general populace these days, wonder why. If I was you, maybe I would be concern too. But obviously Im not so the concern is not there. I say No thanks to vaccines, Ive been doing great without them, and if you cant appreciate that fact and be happy for someone that can avoid sicknesses than you may have other issues too that are in need of treatment. Just to add: Theres a lady in my office right now infecting people with her cold, she claims she got it Saturday right after her flu shot. So what happens? Now my assistant is coming down with her bug and possibly 3 other people here as well. But guess what? Im not feeling the least bit under the weather at all. My immune system is strong I dont even think twice about walking around with sanitizers and wiping off everything I touch, Im not that weak. Im thinking it has a lot to do with a healthy non-tampered with immune system, and also my diet. This topic has been very timely in some ways.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="StrifeDelivery"]
There is so much wrong with this last post it is hilarious. First off, popular beliefs don't always equal scientific evidence and theories. For instance, this anti-vaccination crowd is slowly growing into a vocal group that may continue onto its path to be the popular belief, but as we would see would not mesh with scientific evidence.
To take on the belief of strangers? How do you think people acquire knowledge at all? You think I can go and just grab a cadaver to learn everything about anatomy and physiology? Should I get access to radioactive isomers to test my knowledge on chemistry? If we had to go and learn everything from scratch then we would make no progression in the fields of well anything.
And to go off your last bit there, injecting known harmful things into the body? Not true really, but your lack of understanding of biology, biochemistry, anatomy/physiology, and chemistry show that anything you say without credible (hence the word) credible information means nothing. I know some chemistry, and can tell you that it is fine, but I can admit that I don't know as much chemistry as sayjimkabrhel here. So if he says something regarding chemistry, then I would be more inclined (not total follower), but more inclined to listen to him because his information makes sense.
I feel sad that this anti-knowledge, anti-science crowd is slowly growing.
jimkabrhel
Your first sentence in this post is complete hypocrisy. You are refusing to see things from anyone else point of view, or see evidence that contradicts your own. As with many posters on OT, when you are challenged, you resort to insults, rather than actually engaging ideas that might expand YOUR knowledge.
please point out where i insulted someone.Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything. bnarmz
As an adult and an educator, I am insulted that you lump every government official and teacher in together as part of the system that you feel can be completely discounted intellectually and scientifically.
[QUOTE="bnarmz"]Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything. jimkabrhel
As an adult and an educator, I am insulted that you lump every government official and teacher in together as part of the system that you feel can be completely discounted intellectually and scientifically.
Fair enough. In your case, Ill make the exception because you were actually being a bit more courteous in your post. However, just because youre in a position to teach others doesnt mean whats being taught isnt subject to change. Furthermore, there are many teachers who arent really equip to be teaching at all. My grandmother was a vice principle and the stories she told me concerning the lack of good teachers confirms what I see in the daily news. The school system is failing many kids, but this is not to say you are one of those teachers failing the kids and our future, I dont know about your educating prowess. I stand by that post of mines and Im sure you know why.[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="bnarmz"]Ill wait for the maturity level to go up a few notches before proceeding with such extreme ideologies. The lame stream media and education department has done a great job in limiting the minds of many. However, there are other forums on the net for those that are interested in alternative views and open minded discussions, theres a time and place for everything. bnarmz
As an adult and an educator, I am insulted that you lump every government official and teacher in together as part of the system that you feel can be completely discounted intellectually and scientifically.
Fair enough. In your case, Ill make the exception because you were actually being a bit more courteous in your post. However, just because youre in a position to teach others doesnt mean whats being taught isnt subject to change. Furthermore, there are many teachers who arent really equip to be teaching at all. My grandmother was a vice principle and the stories she told me concerning the lack of good teachers confirms what I see in the daily news. The school system is failing many kids, but this is not to say you are one of those teachers failing the kids and our future, I dont know about your educating prowess. I stand by that post of mines and Im sure you know why.You need to stop making generalizations. In my aperiences as a student and a teacher, there are far more good teachers than bad teachers. And again, you are being hypocritical. You decry the "lame stream" media, but you refer to it ("daily news") when it supports your point or your beliefs.
Fair enough. In your case, Ill make the exception because you were actually being a bit more courteous in your post. However, just because youre in a position to teach others doesnt mean whats being taught isnt subject to change. Furthermore, there are many teachers who arent really equip to be teaching at all. My grandmother was a vice principle and the stories she told me concerning the lack of good teachers confirms what I see in the daily news. The school system is failing many kids, but this is not to say you are one of those teachers failing the kids and our future, I dont know about your educating prowess. I stand by that post of mines and Im sure you know why.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
As an adult and an educator, I am insulted that you lump every government official and teacher in together as part of the system that you feel can be completely discounted intellectually and scientifically.
jimkabrhel
You need to stop making generalizations. In my aperiences as a student and a teacher, there are far more good teachers than bad teachers. And again, you are being hypocritical. You decry the "lame stream" media, but you refer to it ("daily news") when it supports your point or your beliefs.
For the sake of humanity I hope you are right about there be more good teachers than bad ones. Unfortunately the results can't be more obvious. I'm not the only one witnessing this and the news really has no other choice but to comment on it. They have to give reasons for the declines and the sudden school closings. Maybe it's a regional thing.[QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] There is so much info on this stuff it's not hard at all to find it. these following 3 links only took me about 5min, I'm sure I can find more on it and I'm sure you can too.. -snip-. list of people you may want to contact. -snip.... some recent news on Autism and Vaccines http:snip-.. more insight -- Doctors, (BEWARE LATIN)bnarmz
So your sources are a random website.... and a youtube site..... and a news site Hmmm SOUNDS LEGIT Why not show real evidence on any of your claims ? :3 then people will surely believe you Sorry news reporters don't count, nor do your friends on youtube. Or the "doctorwithin" who started a website.
and bwahaha beware latin? Sorry that anatomy is taught in comparison with latin words, it's not some scam to make sure you don't read it.
you guys still going with this? Those are not my sources; those are just randomly picked sites to start off your own research. If youre too lazy or just dont want to do the rest, fine, dont expect me to assist you with your handicap. Ive offered a list of people who havent been vaccinated (you can possibly contact and/or research). I also offered a vid of someone (a professional) who used to work in the field, if you dont believe the credentials of the many other professionals going against these vaccines, cool, thats a problem youll have to deal with, not me. And I offered a recent vid with CNN. I guess they are no longer considered a good source of current events anymore for some people, huh? I can agree with that to a stint, but the vid was to show that the research is still ongoing. It literally took me minutes to post those links, I didnt even look for anything else because I dont have to.xD. The simple fact that my fam was able to do without injections is all the proof I need. Believe what you want, Im not here to judge or persuade. The fam and I are well off, theres no need for me to be taking this serious, I mean, why should I? To be fair, I do see the concerns of some people here, but I can assure you that there is nothing to be worried about on my end. Im not going to give you or anyone else cotties, lol. My handicap? I'm studying in the medical area, and talk to people who have studied in it for years. yet when you try and prove a point you have "just randomly picked sites to start MY RESEARCH?" I study in it, and am there first hand where are you? Behind the computer? Looking at crazy sites? Ok my handicap :lol:EDIT:
But fair enough you have your views :P I have mine we can agree on that. I just hope your family immunity stays good :)
[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="TrainerCeleste"]you guys still going with this? Those are not my sources; those are just randomly picked sites to start off your own research. If youre too lazy or just dont want to do the rest, fine, dont expect me to assist you with your handicap. Ive offered a list of people who havent been vaccinated (you can possibly contact and/or research). I also offered a vid of someone (a professional) who used to work in the field, if you dont believe the credentials of the many other professionals going against these vaccines, cool, thats a problem youll have to deal with, not me. And I offered a recent vid with CNN. I guess they are no longer considered a good source of current events anymore for some people, huh? I can agree with that to a stint, but the vid was to show that the research is still ongoing. It literally took me minutes to post those links, I didnt even look for anything else because I dont have to.xD. The simple fact that my fam was able to do without injections is all the proof I need. Believe what you want, Im not here to judge or persuade. The fam and I are well off, theres no need for me to be taking this serious, I mean, why should I? To be fair, I do see the concerns of some people here, but I can assure you that there is nothing to be worried about on my end. Im not going to give you or anyone else cotties, lol. My handicap? I'm studying in the medical area, and talk to people who have studied in it for years. yet when you try and prove a point you have "just randomly picked sites to start MY RESEARCH?" I study in it, and am there first hand where are you? Behind the computer? Looking at crazy sites? Ok my handicap :lol: there goes that word "crazy" again, lol. very telling you are. So you think those that already have knowledge in the field and furthur that knowledge to find flaws in what they were taught is being crazy? ok. I do understand what blackballing is too, btw. So what is it you wanted me to confirm? copy and paste it.
So your sources are a random website.... and a youtube site..... and a news site Hmmm SOUNDS LEGIT Why not show real evidence on any of your claims ? :3 then people will surely believe you Sorry news reporters don't count, nor do your friends on youtube. Or the "doctorwithin" who started a website.
and bwahaha beware latin? Sorry that anatomy is taught in comparison with latin words, it's not some scam to make sure you don't read it.
TrainerCeleste
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] Fair enough. In your case, Ill make the exception because you were actually being a bit more courteous in your post. However, just because youre in a position to teach others doesnt mean whats being taught isnt subject to change. Furthermore, there are many teachers who arent really equip to be teaching at all. My grandmother was a vice principle and the stories she told me concerning the lack of good teachers confirms what I see in the daily news. The school system is failing many kids, but this is not to say you are one of those teachers failing the kids and our future, I dont know about your educating prowess. I stand by that post of mines and Im sure you know why. bnarmz
You need to stop making generalizations. In my aperiences as a student and a teacher, there are far more good teachers than bad teachers. And again, you are being hypocritical. You decry the "lame stream" media, but you refer to it ("daily news") when it supports your point or your beliefs.
For the sake of humanity I hope you are right about there be more good teachers than bad ones. Unfortunately the results can't be more obvious. I'm not the only one witnessing this and the news really has no other choice but to comment on it. They have to give reasons for the declines and the sudden school closings. Maybe it's a regional thing.I will agree that the education system in this country needs a big overhaul, but the reason isn't an abundance of bad teachers. It's an overabundance of administrators, useless quotas and standards to meet, vouchers, private schools that have no oversight.
At the college level, costs are becoming out of controls, and colleges are doing nothing to deal with it. At the administrative level, the focus isn't on the student, is putting a good face on the institution, getting donations and athletics.
For the sake of humanity I hope you are right about there be more good teachers than bad ones. Unfortunately the results can't be more obvious. I'm not the only one witnessing this and the news really has no other choice but to comment on it. They have to give reasons for the declines and the sudden school closings. Maybe it's a regional thing.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
You need to stop making generalizations. In my aperiences as a student and a teacher, there are far more good teachers than bad teachers. And again, you are being hypocritical. You decry the "lame stream" media, but you refer to it ("daily news") when it supports your point or your beliefs.
jimkabrhel
I will agree that the education system in this country needs a big overhaul, but the reason isn't an abundance of bad teachers. It's an overabundance of administrators, useless quotas and standards to meet, vouchers, private schools that have no oversight.
At the college level, costs are becoming out of controls, and colleges are doing nothing to deal with it. At the administrative level, the focus isn't on the student, is putting a good face on the institution, getting donations and athletics.
agree, and thanks for your contributions to this thread, I do consider much of what you say.Such a misleading post. I haven't had a flu vaccine in over 15 years, and no flu. Also, It's common knowledge that you do not get vaccinated for the current strain of flu, in 2012 you'd be vaccinated for 2010's or 2009's flu. Due to the large number of cases, and chances for mutations within the flu, it's unlikely old vaccinations will help with new strains of flu. Look it up ;)Proof vaccinations are a hoax and the OP is right.
wis3boi
[QUOTE="wis3boi"]Such a misleading post. I haven't had a flu vaccine in over 15 years, and no flu. Also, It's common knowledge that you do not get vaccinated for the current strain of flu, in 2012 you'd be vaccinated for 2010's or 2009's flu. Due to the large number of cases, and chances for mutations within the flu, it's unlikely old vaccinations will help with new strains of flu. Look it up ;)Proof vaccinations are a hoax and the OP is right.
Nibroc420
The vaccination you get is for the strain of the flu that is predicted to be the most prevelant.
bnarmz,
I recommend you watch this video, and let me know what you think: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/vaccines/view/ I've found it quite interesting.
Such a misleading post. I haven't had a flu vaccine in over 15 years, and no flu. Also, It's common knowledge that you do not get vaccinated for the current strain of flu, in 2012 you'd be vaccinated for 2010's or 2009's flu. Due to the large number of cases, and chances for mutations within the flu, it's unlikely old vaccinations will help with new strains of flu. Look it up ;)[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]
Proof vaccinations are a hoax and the OP is right.
Guybrush_3
The vaccination you get is for the strain of the flu that is predicted to be the most prevelant.
Incorrect. You're vaccinated for the flu that was most prevalent LAST YEAR. Due to the several different flu mutations, and the speed at which it adapts, it's usually close, however you'll never get vaccinated for the same strain of flu virus that is current. Your vaccinations are always a few years behind the flu mutations.[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Such a misleading post. I haven't had a flu vaccine in over 15 years, and no flu. Also, It's common knowledge that you do not get vaccinated for the current strain of flu, in 2012 you'd be vaccinated for 2010's or 2009's flu. Due to the large number of cases, and chances for mutations within the flu, it's unlikely old vaccinations will help with new strains of flu. Look it up ;)Nibroc420
The vaccination you get is for the strain of the flu that is predicted to be the most prevelant.
Incorrect. You're vaccinated for the flu that was most prevalent LAST YEAR. Due to the several different flu mutations, and the speed at which it adapts, it's usually close, however you'll never get vaccinated for the same strain of flu virus that is current. Your vaccinations are always a few years behind the flu mutations.I believe every year they attempt to account for the newer strains/mutations that may occur. On that note, I don't use flu-vaccinations unless they are free, normally they will have trouble preparing your body for the flu (in my opinion), and unless it's a larger issue (H1N1, etc) I'm not worried about the yearly flu because I'm in generally good health (those 30,000 some people that die every year from it are normally children and older adults in poor healthy or weak immune systems).
[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Such a misleading post. I haven't had a flu vaccine in over 15 years, and no flu. Also, It's common knowledge that you do not get vaccinated for the current strain of flu, in 2012 you'd be vaccinated for 2010's or 2009's flu. Due to the large number of cases, and chances for mutations within the flu, it's unlikely old vaccinations will help with new strains of flu. Look it up ;)Nibroc420
The vaccination you get is for the strain of the flu that is predicted to be the most prevelant.
Incorrect. You're vaccinated for the flu that was most prevalent LAST YEAR. Due to the several different flu mutations, and the speed at which it adapts, it's usually close, however you'll never get vaccinated for the same strain of flu virus that is current. Your vaccinations are always a few years behind the flu mutations.I've been taught that they are made to be the best educated guess as to what strain may pop up through studying how they mutate each year actually. Injecting Last years strain would be absolutely pointless :P
At least that's what the books I've read published recently have informed me of, but I don't exactly make them :P I can only belive the sources I read for class xD
But at this point I belive that we all know (if your doctors don't find a new one soon probably :lol: ) injected an old strain would be absoultely pointless :P Seeing as it's just a guess each year though, I generaly don't go for them, rather fight it myself really :P
[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"][QUOTE="bnarmz"] what about the hundreds and thousands of professionals going against popular beliefs? And why would I go against my families history of good health to take on the beliefs of strangers? especially when they are injecting known harmful things into my body? bnarmz
This is exactly what I am talking about when making claims. Here you are, stating that hundreds and thousands of professionals are going against popular belief. Where is the proof to back up said assertion? Show us those professionals that have taken the time to refute, through scientific study, that vaccines do more harm than good. You made this claim, now you have to provide the proof.
If you are expecting a government seal of approval with every statement, vid and documentationthan you will never believe what others say outside of it, just what your flawed corrupt governments train you to believe. I only lead a horse to water, I dont make it drink. Charge up you own BS detector and hit the field, learn to discern and separate the wheat from the chaff. Ill even help you. But, first I would like you to copy and paste my claims because in my mind youre got me confused with someone else. I can and already did elaborate on everything I said.That is your claim right there. Who are these professionals that you are claiming to be going against popular belief. No, I do not have you mixed up with anyone else, after all, I did quote you. I have been around long enough to know better and can smell the BS you are trying to spread. I suggest you go to someplace like Papua New Guinea or Sicily or Zimbabwe or some other exotic local. Let's see how welll your immunity system holds up.
If you are expecting a government seal of approval with every statement, vid and documentationthan you will never believe what others say outside of it, just what your flawed corrupt governments train you to believe. I only lead a horse to water, I dont make it drink. Charge up you own BS detector and hit the field, learn to discern and separate the wheat from the chaff. Ill even help you. But, first I would like you to copy and paste my claims because in my mind youre got me confused with someone else. I can and already did elaborate on everything I said.[QUOTE="bnarmz"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]
This is exactly what I am talking about when making claims. Here you are, stating that hundreds and thousands of professionals are going against popular belief. Where is the proof to back up said assertion? Show us those professionals that have taken the time to refute, through scientific study, that vaccines do more harm than good. You made this claim, now you have to provide the proof.
WhiteKnight77
That is your claim right there. Who are these professionals that you are claiming to be going against popular belief. No, I do not have you mixed up with anyone else, after all, I did quote you. I have been around long enough to know better and can smell the BS you are trying to spread. I suggest you go to someplace like Papua New Guinea or Sicily or Zimbabwe or some other exotic local. Let's see how welll your immunity system holds up.
You lost me there at Sicily. Hardly an exotic locale, or are you assuming that Western Europe is lax with vaccination? :PIncorrect. You're vaccinated for the flu that was most prevalent LAST YEAR. Due to the several different flu mutations, and the speed at which it adapts, it's usually close, however you'll never get vaccinated for the same strain of flu virus that is current. Your vaccinations are always a few years behind the flu mutations.Nibroc420
From the CDC's website
Seasonal flu vaccines protect against the three influenza viruses (trivalent) that research indicates will be most common during the upcoming season. The viruses in the vaccine can change each year based on international surveillance and scientists estimations about which types and strains of viruses will circulate in a given year.
also to your statement on it being unlikely to help
In recent years the match between the vaccine viruses and those identified during the flu season has usually been good. In 18 of the last 22 U.S. influenza seasons the viruses in the influenza vaccine have been well matched to the predominant circulating viruses. Since 1990, there has only been one season (1997-98) when there was very low cross-reaction between the viruses in the seasonal vaccine and the predominant circulating virus, and three seasons (1992-93, 2003-04, and 2007-08) when there was low cross-reaction.
While they do have to decide which strains to use a few months in advance, they do more than just taking the most common strain from last year. I looked it up, you obviously didn't.
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