Thugs try to ambush pizza man - one gets shot and dies

What if that old guy died? He doesn't have a right to defend himself?jfcundiff

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I don't know what's worse: that they decided to steal a pizza of all things, or that they died as a result of it.

GabuEx

Right, but still. "He was killed trying to steal a pizza"? That's pretty much the worst thing anyone could possibly have on their record. :P

No, it'd be more like "He was killed ambushing an innocent individual".

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

When someone is beating you, has a few of their friends about to join in, and when you retreat and they still attack, you have every right to blow their brains out.

AHUGECAT

Oh well his life is gone. Whether it's cowardly or not doesn't matter. We got rid of a criminal thug - good.

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"] What if that old guy died? He doesn't have a right to defend himself?jfcundiff

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

Ugh, stop being so black and white. You don't have to choose between letting the guy go or killing him. Seriously. And if you do shoot at him, don't kill him! You can immobilize the criminal or something and wait for the police. Just because someone steals or tries to hit you does not mean you have the right to kill him. Learn some values...

No, it'd be more like "He was killed ambushing an innocent individual".

br0kenrabbit

Under the intent of stealing the pizza.

I'm not arguing that the pizza guy's actions weren't justified, only that the idea of stealing a pizza is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you're going to steal something, why not, you know, something valuable, or at least non-perishable?

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

RiseAgainst12

It does not matter. That person is commiting a crime which is something I do not condone. I group all those things you just mentioned into the same category.

What if that old guy died? He doesn't have a right to defend himself?jfcundiff

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] no i have the right to fight back. not take a life.TheOddQuantum

Oh well his life is gone. Whether it's cowardly or not doesn't matter. We got rid of a criminal thug - good.

They could have just gone to buy a Pizza. That would take away the chance of going to jail. Or even worse, getting shot by the Pizza guy.

I'm tipping bigger next time.

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] no i have the right to fight back. not take a life.TheOddQuantum

Oh well his life is gone. Whether it's cowardly or not doesn't matter. We got rid of a criminal thug - good.

No, it wasn't stealing a pizza - he was beating a 43 year old man. If he did not want to die, he shouldn't have made that decision. You touch a stove, your hand might get burned. You assault a man (with your friends help as well), you might get your chest blown apart.

[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

RiseAgainst12

Yes. People are too black and white on this. No one dies if you shoot them in the leg. But I don't think anyone would want to continue the assault after your friend is shot.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

I don't know what's worse: that they decided to steal a pizza of all things, or that they died as a result of it.

GabuEx

Right, but still. "He was killed trying to steal a pizza"? That's pretty much the worst thing anyone could possibly have on their record. :P

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

Ugh, stop being so black and white. You don't have to choose between letting the guy go or killing him. Seriously. And if you do shoot at him, don't kill him! You can immobilize the criminal or something and wait for the police. Just because someone steals or tries to hit you does not mean you have the right to kill him. Learn some values...

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="Setsa"] If a group of people who are physically stronger than you assault you and you have no chance of outrunning them, how would you act? In the heat of the moment, the guy could have been scared and reacted in a reasonable way, using the means he had available to defend himself.Papitar

Yes. People are too black and white on this. No one dies if you shoot them in the leg. But I don't think anyone would want to continue the assault after your friend is shot.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

No, it'd be more like "He was killed ambushing an innocent individual".

GabuEx

Under the intent of stealing the pizza.

I'm not arguing that the pizza guy's actions weren't justified, only that the idea of stealing a pizza is pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If you're going to steal something, why not, you know, something valuable, or at least non-perishable?

These guys were starting at the bottom. Yeah, according to the PC news, they had a "great future." But if they would've got away with stealing this pizza and beating a man what IS next? What IS their future? My bet is that it has more to do with robbing banks than college.

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"] Oh wait when someone decides to rob my house, rape my wife, and take stuff, I will let them go ahead next time. If it is a serious situation between life or death, and my life is at stake because of some criminal and I have a weapon, I am taking that person out before they have a chance to do serious harm to me. And do not start name calling. jfcundiff

Ugh, stop being so black and white. You don't have to choose between letting the guy go or killing him. Seriously. And if you do shoot at him, don't kill him! You can immobilize the criminal or something and wait for the police. Just because someone steals or tries to hit you does not mean you have the right to kill him. Learn some values...

I lolled. You've been watching too much action movies.

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Ugh, stop being so black and white. You don't have to choose between letting the guy go or killing him. Seriously. And if you do shoot at him, don't kill him! You can immobilize the criminal or something and wait for the police. Just because someone steals or tries to hit you does not mean you have the right to kill him. Learn some values...

I lolled. You've been watching too much action movies.

I am sorry, no one desserves to die for such a pathetic reason. the pizza man should have given them the pizza and continued on.

RiseAgainst12

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] How about make it clear he had a weapon? point said weapon at perpetrators? or take a shot in a non vital area of the body. or even in the air to scare them off.jfcundiff

Yes. People are too black and white on this. No one dies if you shoot them in the leg. But I don't think anyone would want to continue the assault after your friend is shot.

True. I know someone who got stabbed in the leg and died. It hit a big bloodvein.

Anyway, if the killing is not intentional, and your action is morally correct. But if you put a bullet in his head... Ehh..

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yes. People are too black and white on this. No one dies if you shoot them in the leg. But I don't think anyone would want to continue the assault after your friend is shot.

Papitar

True. I know someone who got stabbed in the leg and died. It hit a big bloodvein.

Anyway, if the killing is not intentional, and your action is morally correct. But if you put a bullet in his head... Ehh..

You're acting like this kid was worth keeping around. If anything, his demise saved taxpayers a lot of money (from prison) and such. Just one less piece of trash to worry about know what I mean?

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yes. People are too black and white on this. No one dies if you shoot them in the leg. But I don't think anyone would want to continue the assault after your friend is shot.

Papitar

True. I know someone who got stabbed in the leg and died. It hit a big bloodvein.

Anyway, if the killing is not intentional, and your action is morally correct. But if you put a bullet in his head... Ehh..

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"] Just because I shoot someone does not always mean that he will stop and give up. If someone is hellbent on doing harm to someone, they will do anything to accomplish that goal. jfcundiff

I lolled. You've been watching too much action movies.

Sure it can happen. Especially if the target is on drugs. But I don't think many will.

Btw, I don't believe a son of a cop would be that trigger happy. Dunno where you live or how cops work there, but that stuff wouldn't fly here.

They could have just gone to buy a Pizza. That would take away the chance of going to jail. Or even worse, getting shot by the Pizza guy.

I'm tipping bigger next time.Mikey132

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"] Yes you can die if shot in the leg. AHUGECAT

True. I know someone who got stabbed in the leg and died. It hit a big bloodvein.

Anyway, if the killing is not intentional, and your action is morally correct. But if you put a bullet in his head... Ehh..

You're acting like this kid was worth keeping around. If anything, his demise saved taxpayers a lot of money (from prison) and such. Just one less piece of trash to worry about know what I mean?

You start to sound like a nazi. Who are you seriously to say who is worthy of living. Get outta here.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

I am sorry, no one desserves to die for such a pathetic reason. the pizza man should have given them the pizza and continued on.

RiseAgainst12

According to the story, the Pizza Man was retreating and still beaing beat. He had every right to defend himself by whatever means.

Legitimate defense, those "thugs" shouldn't of acted like idiots. Don't blame the pizza man, blame the "thugs" lack of better judgement.

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True. I know someone who got stabbed in the leg and died. It hit a big bloodvein.

Anyway, if the killing is not intentional, and your action is morally correct. But if you put a bullet in his head... Ehh..

Papitar

You're acting like this kid was worth keeping around. If anything, his demise saved taxpayers a lot of money (from prison) and such. Just one less piece of trash to worry about know what I mean?

You start to sound like a nazi. Who are you seriously to say who is worthy of living. Get outta here.

Um how is that sounding like a Nazi (a German political system)?

Just because I shoot someone does not always mean that he will stop and give up. If someone is hellbent on doing harm to someone, they will do anything to accomplish that goal. jfcundiff

I lolled. You've been watching too much action movies.

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

They could have just gone to buy a Pizza. That would take away the chance of going to jail. Or even worse, getting shot by the Pizza guy.

I'm tipping bigger next time.TheOddQuantum

The man did not shoot the teenagers because they (attempted to) steal the pizza.

that's what happens... well done pizza man

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

I lolled. You've been watching too much action movies.

Papitar

Sure it can happen. Especially if the target is on drugs. But I don't think many will.

Btw, I don't believe a son of a cop would be that trigger happy. Dunno where you live or how cops work there, but that stuff wouldn't fly here.

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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

They could have just gone to buy a Pizza. That would take away the chance of going to jail. Or even worse, getting shot by the Pizza guy.

I'm tipping bigger next time.AHUGECAT

The man did not shoot the teenagers because they (attempted to) steal the pizza.

I don't know what's worse: that they decided to steal a pizza of all things, or that they died as a result of it.

GabuEx

this thread is getting silly, time for me to leave.RiseAgainst12

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

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[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

They could have just gone to buy a Pizza. That would take away the chance of going to jail. Or even worse, getting shot by the Pizza guy.

I'm tipping bigger next time.AHUGECAT

The man did not shoot the teenagers because they (attempted to) steal the pizza.

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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"] My dad is a cop and deals with this stuff all the time. You can think it does not happen. I could care less. jfcundiff

Sure it can happen. Especially if the target is on drugs. But I don't think many will.

Btw, I don't believe a son of a cop would be that trigger happy. Dunno where you live or how cops work there, but that stuff wouldn't fly here.

Oh, so you're compairing criminal gangs with a bunch off random idiots trying to beat um someone and take his pizza? Also, I don't think the topic was about someone breaking in to your house... Anyone, you're father sounds pretty smart, but you're still too trigger happy.

:lol: i dont know what is more funny, the fact that he was carrying his gun in a fanny pack or that he still delivered the pizza after.

"Outta my way, boys. Somebody needs their pizza!"*BANG*

[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="Papitar"]

Sure it can happen. Especially if the target is on drugs. But I don't think many will.

Btw, I don't believe a son of a cop would be that trigger happy. Dunno where you live or how cops work there, but that stuff wouldn't fly here.

Oh, so you're compairing criminal gangs with a bunch off random idiots trying to beat um someone and take his pizza? Also, I don't think the topic was about someone breaking in to your house... Anyone, you're father sounds pretty smart, but you're still too trigger happy.

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]this thread is getting silly, time for me to leave.AHUGECAT

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

this was one of the comments and i agree with what this guy said A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away....attributed to Davy Crockett. That being said we as loyal citizens of this country shouldn't have to relay on the government to protect us. We as citizens have a right to not only defend our selves but our country. Armed citizens are the founding fathers of this country. John Q Public shed first blood for this great country. Mr Millers life was hanging in the balance and he like our forefathers before him, he stood his ground and defended his life. I'm certain he wishes there was some other way but in the end he had to make a choice. I personally believe he made the only choice he could at that moment in time.XD4NTESINF3RNOX

Ok. I'm leaving this thread. lol.

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]this thread is getting silly, time for me to leave.RiseAgainst12

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

How was he not responsible?

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]this thread is getting silly, time for me to leave.RiseAgainst12

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

lulz. My favorite is still the dude in NYC that was getting mugged by three guys. They didn't realize he was a black belt in some martial arts and the guy killed one and seriously injured the other all while having a knife in his abdomen.

[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"]this was one of the comments and i agree with what this guy said A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away....attributed to Davy Crockett. That being said we as loyal citizens of this country shouldn't have to relay on the government to protect us. We as citizens have a right to not only defend our selves but our country. Armed citizens are the founding fathers of this country. John Q Public shed first blood for this great country. Mr Millers life was hanging in the balance and he like our forefathers before him, he stood his ground and defended his life. I'm certain he wishes there was some other way but in the end he had to make a choice. I personally believe he made the only choice he could at that moment in time.Papitar

Ok. I'm leaving this thread. lol.

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]this thread is getting silly, time for me to leave.RiseAgainst12

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

What if that old guy died? He doesn't have a right to defend himself?jfcundiff

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....