Thugs try to ambush pizza man - one gets shot and dies

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#101 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

fanboy-buster

He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.

Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.RiseAgainst12

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.

Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

It was either defend himself or keep getting his ass kicked.
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#103 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.RiseAgainst12

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.

Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

How?

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#104 fidosim
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Owned. With four guys assaulting one guy, i'm not surprised he used the gun. Shame the kid died but they were really being stupid.
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#105 fanboy-buster
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.RiseAgainst12

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.

Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?
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#106 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Why is it OK for 4 teenagers to jump a 43 year old man trying to feed his family but it's not OK for him to defend himself?

pis3rch

He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.

How was he not responsible? Do you really think that while running, he should have stopped, turned, pointed the gun carefully at the attacker's lower leg, and fired, all while being beaten? He fired two shots while running away to defend himself and scare off the other attackers.

yes i believe he should have, or shot the floor to show them he had a weapon. not blind fire it. what if the bullet hit a passer by? or someone lieing in there bed?

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#107 Setsa
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

I am sorry, no one desserves to die for such a pathetic reason. the pizza man should have given them the pizza and continued on.

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"The young man began to hit him, and Miller spotted two other men coming toward him out of a nearby woods. Miller began to run away, pursued by the young man, who was hitting him. As he ran, he drew his pistol and fired, hitting him in the upper torso. The shots caused the two other men to run off." :|

Solid evidence that the old man was at fault and that his incompetence with a firearm is the reason for this tragedy! I mean, who can't draw a gun and steadily aim it at an arm or foot while wrestling with a person who is physically stronger and trying to run for his life? Jeez, I do it all the time in Halo, why can't he?
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#108 AAllxxjjnn
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The pizza man had the right to defend himself, yes, but to kill someone? No.
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#109 Heydanbud92
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Owned. With four guys assaulting one guy, i'm not surprised he used the gun. Shame the kid died but they were really being stupid.fidosim

exactly. how low can they get? without shame...

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#110 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.fanboy-buster
Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?

Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.
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#111 Tezcatlipoca666
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[QUOTE="jfcundiff"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] They didn't get there asses handed to them. one was murdered in cold blood by a cowardly old man in fact.Papitar

What if that old guy died? He doesn't have a right to defend himself?

Defending yourself does not equal killing someone you retard....

He did not shoot the guy in the head or anything, he acted in self-defense. If I was being attacked WHILE RETREATING, by SEVERAL people I would also have defended myself with a firearm (if I had one).

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#112 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

RiseAgainst12

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?

Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.

And that's why the Pizza man is still alive.

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#113 pis3rch
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.RiseAgainst12

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.

Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

I will say it again for the third time. He was being ASSAULTED, so he used a weapon that he had a right to carry to defend himself. If he had stopped running to aim, he would have been beaten even more severely in the time it took to line up a non-lethal shot. He decided to fire the shots in the hope that it would scare off the attackers.
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#114 deactivated-5d25ae64ef918
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"] THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.fanboy-buster

Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?

Your avatar/sig is awesome :X. Do you cut off the top of fanboy's skulls? Anyway, the kid didn't deserve it, but no one should be surprised, that guy must've been pretty afraid with four people beating him.
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#115 Heydanbud92
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[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.RiseAgainst12

How was he not responsible? Do you really think that while running, he should have stopped, turned, pointed the gun carefully at the attacker's lower leg, and fired, all while being beaten? He fired two shots while running away to defend himself and scare off the other attackers.

yes i believe he should have, or shot the floor to show them he had a weapon. not blind fire it. what if the bullet hit a passer by? or someone lieing in there bed?

it didn't though. it hit it's target.

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#116 eXdout
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Go pizza guy! But I bet if he used his powers to curve the bullet into a non-lethal path into the attackers leg... Oh wait, this is real life and in a split second decision to protect yourself, you don't have time to consider this. What if he missed, trying to aim at his attackers leg? Sure, stealing a pizza isn't worth dying over, I think we all agree about that, but if you assault a man, he has every right to defend himself. If they were honor roll students, who are generally good thinkers, then why did they not ask themselves this: Why take that risk in the first place? This is a prime example of why we need concealed weapon licences are needed. /end mini rant =)
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#117 XD4NTESINF3RNOX
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

RiseAgainst12

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?

Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.

hahaha and i would be laughing all the way seeing your a$$ get kicked by the thugs

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#118 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

THe killing wasn't intentional, he was running and he shot from the hip backwards...and the shot went straight through the "thug's" chest.fanboy-buster
Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

How?

The fact you don't see how blind firing a Gun isn't Irresponsible worrys me.
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#119 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

RiseAgainst12

How?

The fact you don't see how blind firing a Gun isn't Irresponsible worrys me.

He wasn't blind firing a gun - if I remember correctly he hit his target.

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#120 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="fanboy-buster"] And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?XD4NTESINF3RNOX

Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.

hahaha and i would be laughing all the way seeing your a$$ get kicked by the thugs

Atleast i wouldn't have a death on my hands.
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#121 fanboy-buster
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

RiseAgainst12

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?

Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.

But you are still young, be in the old man's shoes. You are doing your job while you see a teen approaching to you. He catches up with you and start beating you. You start to run. THEN you see more of his friends arriving, you get panicked. You have a gun. What do you do?

I... I wouldn't shoot the teen, I would've shot the sky in order to scare them. If that doesn't scare them I would shoot while running.

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#122 Dante2710
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[QUOTE="Bloodbath_87"] That's a terrible example. Someone breaking into your house and raping your wife is much different than what happened here.

you only see silly arguments like this on the internet, you do not know what that person`s incentives are, if your willing to gamble your life thinking he is just a mild robber or whatever, be my guest, but i wont, if i feel like my life is threatened, i will take you out with whatever means possible. the fact that people are defending these thugs regardless of how mild they could have been its an absolute joke, and prob nobody here has ever been assaulted and doesnt know what it feels to be put in such a position where you do not know whats going to happen.
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#123 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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It is sad the young man had to die, but since the pizza guy acted in self-defense, the law will be on his side, regardless if the dead man's family sues him or not.
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#124 hughami
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I am sorry, no one desserves to die for such a pathetic reason. the pizza man should have given them the pizza and continued on.

RiseAgainst12

umm..........the tool was attacking someone or no reason...........so i say good for the pizza man not letting a bunch of fayguts take advantage of him.

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#125 Papitar
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Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

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#126 Setsa
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[QUOTE="pis3rch"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] He can defend himself all he likes, i just don't agree with him pulling a gun and killing someone. if you are gonna carry a gun to defend yourself be responsible with it, otherwise don't carry one.RiseAgainst12

How was he not responsible? Do you really think that while running, he should have stopped, turned, pointed the gun carefully at the attacker's lower leg, and fired, all while being beaten? He fired two shots while running away to defend himself and scare off the other attackers.

yes i believe he should have, or shot the floor to show them he had a weapon. not blind fire it. what if the bullet hit a passer by? or someone lieing in there bed?

Don't be so black and white about the situation, this isn't boxing we're talking about between the thugs and the pizza man, it isn't hard to grab someone's arm and restrain it, hence why turning around while outnumbered and outmuscled would be an idiotic idea most likely resulting in the pizza man being disarmed and beaten to death for pulling a gun on the thugs, or, even worse, the two wrestling over the gun and shooting innocent bystanders. The man had a direct shot at an attacker, and he took it. It's better that the thug died than a bystander.
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#127 fanboy-buster
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[QUOTE="fanboy-buster"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Exactly he acted Irresponsibly with it.

OICWUTUDIDTHAR

And the thugs weren't? And seriously, would you take your time aiming a shot while you are running from 4 teenagers (beating you) and you are an old man?

Your avatar/sig is awesome :X. Do you cut off the top of fanboy's skulls?

Yeap, then I eat their brains! Thanks :P

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glad I don't live in America. having guns in such excess is just insane!
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#129 Bloodbath_87
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[QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

The warning shot was the one that went into the guy's chest. It worked pretty well at getting the other guys to leave him alone.
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#130 AHUGECAT
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Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

Papitar

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

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#131 RiseAgainst12
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

How?

The fact you don't see how blind firing a Gun isn't Irresponsible worrys me.

He wasn't blind firing a gun - if I remember correctly he hit his target.

so he had eyes on the back of his head? your just getting silly now. goodbye.
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#132 Setsa
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.

Can I mug you?
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#133 Tactica1supris3
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There's no reason for the public to try and pass judgment on the kids or the pizza man. There could be an infinite number of reasons why he carries a gun, which is why the law/constitution is on his side. There could be an infinite number of reasons why these teens felt they should set up such a robbery. I promise you these "thugs" didn't weigh the risk that heavily, or else they wouldn't have attempted to in the first place-the kids apparently aren't criminals. I can also promise you the pizza man had no intentions to kill one of the kids or thought he'd ever have to use his weapon on one-nothing suggest it. **** happens, no amount of arguing or augmenting of laws/gun control/etc could stop something like this from ever happening again.
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#134 Bloodbath_87
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

I beat you to that joke.
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#135 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] The fact you don't see how blind firing a Gun isn't Irresponsible worrys me.RiseAgainst12

He wasn't blind firing a gun - if I remember correctly he hit his target.

so he had eyes on the back of his head? your just getting silly now. goodbye.

As I said he hit the person who was assaulting him, therefore it was a responsible shot. Now if he shot at the kid but missed and hit a neighbor then that would have been irresponsible.

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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.Setsa
Can I mug you?

You can try.
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#137 pis3rch
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Suppose he had fired a warning shot into the ground or air. If one of the two kids who began approaching after the initial attack had had a gun, the man would probably have been shot. With a 5 or 6 shot pistol, he couldn't afford to shoot warning shots if there was a possibility that the attackers had weapons also. He didn't know what he was facing, he just understood that if he didn't do something he could end up seriously hurt or dead.
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#138 CBR600-RR
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[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"]

I am sorry, no one desserves to die for such a pathetic reason. the pizza man should have given them the pizza and continued on.

br0kenrabbit

According to the story, the Pizza Man was retreating and still beaing beat. He had every right to defend himself by whatever means.

Bu-but.. they wanted the PIZZA! :cry:

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#139 Papitar
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[QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

AHUGECAT

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

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#140 hughami
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] The fact you don't see how blind firing a Gun isn't Irresponsible worrys me.RiseAgainst12

He wasn't blind firing a gun - if I remember correctly he hit his target.

so he had eyes on the back of his head? your just getting silly now. goodbye.

if the guy wasnt armed those dbags wouldda killed him. self defense is a good thing, i feel sorry for the family but not that little ****, he got what he deserved. his mom and dad obviously didnt know that he wasnt such a great kid after all. my own mom tried to call the cops on me for ganja, would of sucked but at least i understand that my parents wont be sympathetic towards being an idiot lol. you cant go mug someone its wrong, and you should be weary that you could get killed. that dude and his little *** friends were being stupid and **** happened, big deal.
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#141 Heydanbud92
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[QUOTE="XD4NTESINF3RNOX"]

[QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.RiseAgainst12

hahaha and i would be laughing all the way seeing your a$$ get kicked by the thugs

Atleast i wouldn't have a death on my hands.

the thug has death on his own hands as well as his friends

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#142 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

Papitar

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

So basically he fires a gun in the air, then Sturgill Jr. pulls out his gun, and shoots the Pizza man right?

Guns give people the right to defend themselves.

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#143 FFCYAN
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Guns are not the answer. I personally would not own one considering I'm well capable of handling people without one. Things can and will go wrong and when guns get thrown in the mix, people get hurt or die. The pizza man has a right to defend himself but he could have had a non-lethal deterrant instead. Could have spared a life of a young man who did a stupid thing.

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#144 Heydanbud92
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

Papitar

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

there was no playing involved. nice try.

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#145 hughami
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Papitar"]

Yeh. I'm back. OT didin't have any other threads worth posting in.

Anyway. Has anyone heard of a warning shot? Apparently not. You can do it while you run you know.

Papitar

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

guns dont kill people, people kill people. trust me, if guns were banned crime will go up. back in england where i was born, guns were banned and crime jumped hella high cuz thugs realized that they wouldnt have to worry too much about resistance from people ;) . ive been shooting guns for 8 years since i was 7, its fun :D ! but i wouldnt go kill someone with it unless in self defense and i wouldnt go to war either. guns are just tools, they arent evil the people killing with them without reason are evil.
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#146 Heydanbud92
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Guns are not the answer. I personally would not own one considering I'm well capable of handling people without one. Things can and will go wrong and when guns get thrown in the mix, people get hurt or die. The pizza man has a right to defend himself but he could have had a non-lethal deterrant instead. Could have spared a life of a young man who did a stupid thing.

FFCYAN

they were in this case. and he was an old man, you expect him to be a black belt in ninjitsu?

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#147 Setsa
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[QUOTE="Setsa"][QUOTE="RiseAgainst12"] Honestly i wouldn't pull a gun at all.RiseAgainst12
Can I mug you?

You can try.

Don't worry, I'll bring others and outnumber you. That way, it doesn't matter who is physically stronger :P Better hope my intention is only to take your material goods :o
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I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

Papitar

You presume having a gun gives you power. Do you live in America, you must never feel safe?

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#149 Papitar
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[QUOTE="Papitar"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

Yeah he gave him a warning shot - right in the chest. It warned his 3 other "friends" to stay the heck away.

AHUGECAT

I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

So basically he fires a gun in the air, then Sturgill Jr. pulls out his gun, and shoots the Pizza man right?

Guns give people the right to defend themselves.

Haha. So if you don't have a gun, you don't have the right to defend yourself...? =)

Stop using the word defend. That's not defending. It's killing you're talking about.

And if they'd have a pistol they would have used it/showed it earlier.

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#150 AHUGECAT
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[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Papitar"]

I did mean that you could shoot in the air/ground. Even that is too hard apparently. Anyway, these threads never go anywhere. As I said earlier, best OT topic atm. Kinda sad.

Why are you all so damn triggerhappy? Guns give people way too much power to be played around with like that.

Papitar

So basically he fires a gun in the air, then Sturgill Jr. pulls out his gun, and shoots the Pizza man right?

Guns give people the right to defend themselves.

Haha. So if you don't have a gun, you don't have the right to defend yourself...? =)

Stop using the word defend. That's not defending. It's killing you're talking about.

And if they'd have a pistol they would have used it/showed it earlier.

A gun is just a better way to defend yourself. And ever heard of "self-defense"? That is legal murder. Killing is not illegal, that is why the man is not going to jail - what he did was OK.

And no, they wouldn't have. They probably thought 4 on 1 was enough, and would only need a pistol if the man has a gun as well.