United States of America: The Christian Nation

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] 2 centuries is enough for something to be plural. ;)BabbsTheTitan

I assure you, it did not take 200 years for America to secularise. . .the Establishment Clause came a bit before then.

Should we then declare ourselves a Christian nation because of the majority? Again I say, we are the melting pot of the world, not a stew with a few spices thrown in.

[QUOTE="jointed"] Your founding fathers wanted the US to be a secular nation, and that's what it is.BabbsTheTitan

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by congress and signed by President Adams in 1797.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] 2 centuries is enough for something to be plural. ;)BabbsTheTitan

I assure you, it did not take 200 years for America to secularise. . .the Establishment Clause came a bit before then.

So? People can be and believe what they want, but that has nothing with America as a political system, which is secular. Again, Establishment Clause.

And Jefferson was a deist.

And America didn't become a secular nation in the 70s.

America is a nation of sheep. Blind, idiotic sheep. They go to work, slave away, worship imaginary saviors, then go to bed, wake up and do it all over again the next day. What a waste of life.Hugh-G-Rection

Sounds like something everyone does, not just in America. Some places include more worship though.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"]America is a nation of sheep. Blind, idiotic sheep. They go to work, slave away, worship imaginary saviors, then go to bed, wake up and do it all over again the next day. What a waste of life.Hugh-G-Rection

What site is it?

No, the majority of our country is atheist. I would even say the majority of people that go to church don't fully believe in God.msuspartan11

Are you talking about America? If so, then that's completely wrong.

*grabs pineapple and flies away*

Goodbye...goodbye...goodbye...*echoes* :o

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] Your founding fathers wanted the US to be a secular nation, and that's what it is.-Sun_Tzu-

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by congress and signed by President Adams in 1797.

The U.S. is not a Christian nation.

No, the majority of our country is atheist. I would even say the majority of people that go to church don't fully believe in God.msuspartan11

You can't say that for sure.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] If that's true, why did it actually happen centuries after the nation was established? ;)BabbsTheTitan

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by congress and signed by President Adams in 1797.

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]

Do you think that is right?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

I assure you, it did not take 200 years for America to secularise. . .the Establishment Clause came a bit before then.

Theokhoth

So? People can be and believe what they want, but that has nothing with America as a political system, which is secular. Again, Establishment Clause.

And Jefferson was a deist.

And America didn't become a secular nation in the 70s.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Of course there is, was, and has been a degree of Christian influence in the government. Every single president has been Christian. A huge majority of senators have been Christian. Christianity is everywhere in the U.S government, from its pledge to its anthem.BabbsTheTitan

So? People can be and believe what they want, but that has nothing with America as a political system, which is secular. Again, Establishment Clause.

And Jefferson was a deist.

And America didn't become a secular nation in the 70s.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] If that's true, why did it actually happen centuries after the nation was established? ;)BabbsTheTitan

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by congress and signed by President Adams in 1797.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Of course there is, was, and has been a degree of Christian influence in the government. Every single president has been Christian. A huge majority of senators have been Christian. Christianity is everywhere in the U.S government, from its pledge to its anthem.BabbsTheTitan

So? People can be and believe what they want, but that has nothing with America as a political system, which is secular. Again, Establishment Clause.

And Jefferson was a deist.

And America didn't become a secular nation in the 70s.

Such as? Having a lot of people in the government that believe in God is not an anti-secular tendency.

And Jefferson was never Protestant. . .

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[QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"] Well, everyday I write articles about the state of society, and publish them on my own local website. I work with a group of like-minded folks, and we are working towards one day purchasing television time on a major television network to hold a debate against some well known politicians, so we can expose them for the frauds they are in front of the whole world. Stay tuned. I'm not a slave like you. Thanks.Hugh-G-Rection

What site is it?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Yes, every founding father was Christian to some extent. There was also major prejudices against athiests in the Senate in the 1860's (Senators would vetoe the bills of a certain man who was atheist purposefully. And those were just RUMOURS he was atheist). Its in the history books.Teenaged

"I don't like that label, Teenaged", said the little man in the background.

Teenaged, wasn't there talk a while back about putting, "Greek Orthodox" in the ID cards of every Greek or something like that? I'm glad it didn't go through - what a stupid idea. Not sure if it was proposed by N.D. or P.A.S.O.K...

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]So we should keep things as intolerant as they used to be? Maybe a straw man but dont you think that enforcing such a label is like giving the opportunity of some people to use it in favor of Christianity in many many ways?

Astrapsody

"I don't like that label, Teenaged", said the little man in the background.

I just hate to do what happens in evangelising thread where evangelists applaud each other. :P

Teenaged, wasn't there talk a while back about putting, "Greek Orthodox" in the ID cards of every Greek or something like that? I'm glad it didn't go through - what a stupid idea. Not sure if it was proposed by N.D. or P.A.S.O.K...

entropyecho

I found that stupid even when I did not care to express my views on religion and the like.

[QUOTE="jaydough"][QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"] HA! Like I'd ever mention it on here, a site full of zitfaced trolls with egos the size of Jupiter... please... I don't need you little posers posting a bunch of bull**** comments on the site. You'll know who I am when you see my associates and I on television, stripping the politicians of their credibility. Hugh-G-Rection

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Thats from Adams. I can find about several quotes from other presidents demonstrating it is indeed a nation of christianity. Not every president was the same.BabbsTheTitan

Here you go.

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Well first of all, Jefferson wrote it. But, furthermore, it was ratified by congress as well. It is not as if it is the sole opinion of the writer, it is a proclamation of the entire U.S. government. -Sun_Tzu-

Here you go.

[QUOTE="Crucifier"][QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"] Ho ho ho!!!! Hardy har har!!! You little genius you! I think you should have a new nickname: Slick Johnson. Since you think you're so smart. :roll:Hugh-G-Rection

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Can I get a link? BabbsTheTitan

Here you go.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Can I get a link? BabbsTheTitan

Here you go.

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Here you go.

hamstergeddon

Hey Astrapsody now both you and me are officially ignored... :(

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] ha! I like how you say "many things that lead to the contrary" yet you give no examples of this. How stupid do you think we are?BabbsTheTitan

It's a monotheistic nation. It is not a Christian nation.

[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Did you click the link? No. ALSO, the anthem makes biblical references. And also I forgot to add the MOTTO of the united states is ''IN GOD WE TRUST''BabbsTheTitan

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] the US is a country. We don't jave a motto :| And these trivial things like our "Motto" and a line in the pledge of allegiance mean nothing. actuaLLY has some meaning. The seperation of church and state clause. That the framers of our Constitution wrote. To keep our government secular. /thread. Teenaged