United States of America: The Christian Nation

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....-Sun_Tzu-

I wonder why everybody's ignoring this. It's like people see bad stuff happen, and the people doing it are religious, therefore there's some special religious law that says to do these things. . .nevermind that on the other side of the country, people with the same exact religion are not doing these things and often decrying these things on a frequent basis. Lincoln was religious, King, Jr. was religious; why do people ignore these in favor of bits and pieces of negative history?

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.BabbsTheTitan

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.Theokhoth

I wonder why everybody's ignoring this. It's like people see bad stuff happen, and the people doing it are religious, therefore there's some special religious law that says to do these things. . .nevermind that on the other side of the country, people with the same exact religion are not doing these things and often decrying these things on a frequent basis. Lincoln was religious, King, Jr. was religious; why do people ignore these in favor of bits and pieces of negative history?

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.-Sun_Tzu-

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Read what the guy above me said, I couldnt of said it better.BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] It was, slave owners used it based on their interpretation.Gs4u2

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] It was, slave owners used it based on their interpretation.Gs4u2

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

Therefore religion is at fault. It makes perfect sense.

Mother Teresa condemned abortion. But I'm gonna have one in her name! She's totally responsible!

[QUOTE="Gs4u2"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Let's see what the bible says about the type of slavery that went on in the U.S. and see if those southern christians misinterpreted the bible.

Exodus 21:16: ""Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." A condemnation of slave trading.

1 Timothy 1:8-10 " 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that lawa is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers-and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me." Yet another condemnation of slave trading.

And then you have Exodus, where God punishes the Egyptians for enslaving the Hebrews solely because they were Hebrew. The bible does not condemn slavery as a whole, but it does not allow for all forms of slavery.

Furthermore, you have passages such as Colossians 4:1 that says how to treat one's own slaves. If you were to going to compare the manner in which 19th century slave owners treated their slaves to biblical standards, they don't exactly follow the bible (and that's an understatement).

Theokhoth

Therefore religion is at fault. It makes perfect sense.

Mother Teresa condemned abortion. But I'm gonna have one in her name! She's totally responsible!

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Those are speeches delivered by SENATORS (POLTICIAL FIGURES) using Christianity to justify slavery. That's the gist of it. The Bible also has slavery in it. here's a phrase! man youre getting destroyed :D Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."BabbsTheTitan

Well, since there needs to be a two-thirds Senate majority in order to sign it into law, I guess it doesn't really matter, now does it?

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[QUOTE="Gs4u2"]it does not matter if the bible condemed slavery, teh fact is southern slave owners used it to justify itGs4u2

Therefore religion is at fault. It makes perfect sense.

Mother Teresa condemned abortion. But I'm gonna have one in her name! She's totally responsible!

[QUOTE="Gs4u2"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Therefore religion is at fault. It makes perfect sense.

Mother Teresa condemned abortion. But I'm gonna have one in her name! She's totally responsible!

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Those are speeches delivered by SENATORS (POLTICIAL FIGURES) using Christianity to justify slavery. That's the gist of it. The Bible also has slavery in it. here's a phrase! man youre getting destroyed :D Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."BabbsTheTitan

Notice: This thread was not intended to be a thread about evil associated with religion (that's for tomorow). :D

IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY .BabbsTheTitan

Notice: This thread was not intended to be a thread about evil associated with religion (that's for tomorow). :D

Astrapsody

Hey Astrapsody! How's it going?

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Notice: This thread was not intended to be a thread about evil associated with religion (that's for tomorow). :D

Astrapsody

Hey Astrapsody! How's it going?

I'm alright, but people seem to be ignoring me.

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Notice: This thread was not intended to be a thread about evil associated with religion (that's for tomorow). :D

Astrapsody

Hey Astrapsody! How's it going?

I'm alright, but people seem to be ignoring me.

Why's that?

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]That was shared by HALF the senate, that view. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY IF POLITICAL FIGURES SUPPORTED IT. THATS A FACT.BabbsTheTitan

What is the name of this tradition?

prayer services in the capitol,

Is this required by law?

Christianization of Native americans SUPPORTED SUPPORTED by the gov't,

What government? We had a government at that time?

Laws restricting african american religous rights.

A Christian value?

Taxing certain religions but not others.

How do we know it wasn't a value of one of the other religions?

How are ANY ONE of these a part of our structure of government? How do they play in the signing of laws, the elections of officials, the interpretations of the Constitution? THEY DON'T.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]That was shared by HALF the senate, that view. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY IF POLITICAL FIGURES SUPPORTED IT. THATS A FACT.BabbsTheTitan

(RED) Since this not valid anymore, then why do you discuss it?

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY .-Sun_Tzu-

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Hey Astrapsody! How's it going?

Astrapsody

I'm alright, but people seem to be ignoring me.

Why's that?

I'm not sure.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]That was shared by HALF the senate, that view. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY IF POLITICAL FIGURES SUPPORTED IT. THATS A FACT.BabbsTheTitan

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] INDIVIDUALS DOES NOT = THE STRUCTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT. You said that America was founded on Christian values, I'm asking you to show me where these values are present in the governmental structure.Theokhoth

What is the name of this tradition?

prayer services in the capitol,

Is this required by law?

Christianization of Native americans SUPPORTED SUPPORTED by the gov't,

What government? We had a government at that time?

Laws restricting african american religous rights.

A Christian value?

Taxing certain religions but not others.

How do we know it wasn't a value of one of the other religions?

How are ANY ONE of these a part of our structure of government? How do they play in the signing of laws, the elections of officials, the interpretations of the Constitution? THEY DON'T.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THE BIBLE CONDEMED SLAVERY .Gs4u2

What Christian values was the US built upon exactly? I'd like to know. jointed

Now, I would think that it is important for a christian value to have biblical support, but that's just me.

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I'm alright, but people seem to be ignoring me.

Astrapsody

Why's that?

I'm not sure.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] IStrucutre? ok how about the tradition of a president delivering a religous proclomation,

What is the name of this tradition?

prayer services in the capitol,

Is this required by law?

Christianization of Native americans SUPPORTED SUPPORTED by the gov't,

What government? We had a government at that time?

Laws restricting african american religous rights.

A Christian value?

Taxing certain religions but not others.

How do we know it wasn't a value of one of the other religions?

BabbsTheTitan

How are ANY ONE of these a part of our structure of government? How do they play in the signing of laws, the elections of officials, the interpretations of the Constitution? THEY DON'T.

NO THEY DID NOT.

The three branches of the government have ALWAYS been secular. That is a fact.

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Why's that?

Astrapsody

I'm not sure.

Why did you make this thread, Astrapsody?

I'm not sure. I was just curious. Leave me alone man!

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I'm not sure.

Astrapsody

Why did you make this thread, Astrapsody?

I'm not sure. I was just curious. Leave me alone man!

I can't leave you alone, I'm you. :)

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Why did you make this thread, Astrapsody?

Astrapsody

I'm not sure. I was just curious. Leave me alone man!

I can't leaveyou alone, I'm you. :)

Oh, well okay then. :|

[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

How are ANY ONE of these a part of our structure of government? How do they play in the signing of laws, the elections of officials, the interpretations of the Constitution? THEY DON'T.

Theokhoth

NO THEY DID NOT.

The three branches of the government have ALWAYS been secular. That is a fact.

This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.Gs4u2

Riiiight..... :roll:

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] IStrucutre? ok how about the tradition of a president delivering a religous proclomation, prayer services in the capitol, Christianization of Native americans SUPPORTED SUPPORTED by the gov't, Laws restricting african american religous rights. Taxing certain religions but not others.BabbsTheTitan

This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.Gs4u2

You mean the guys who disagree with you (and rightly so) because their arguments are based on historical facts and the actual legal process rather than baseless and preposterous conjecture? The lawlity!

[QUOTE="Gs4u2"] This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.Teenaged

Riiiight..... :roll:

[QUOTE="Astrapsody"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]I'm alright, but people seem to be ignoring me.Astrapsody

This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.Gs4u2

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] NOW they dont, bud. but they USED to play a MAJOR role. This whole thing started when someone said america has always been secular. BabbsTheTitan

NO THEY DID NOT.

The three branches of the government have ALWAYS been secular. That is a fact.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] NOW they dont, bud. but they USED to play a MAJOR role. This whole thing started when someone said america has always been secular. BabbsTheTitan

NO THEY DID NOT.

The three branches of the government have ALWAYS been secular. That is a fact.

At least you weren't cloned.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] NOW they dont, bud. but they USED to play a MAJOR role. This whole thing started when someone said america has always been secular. BabbsTheTitan

NO THEY DID NOT.

The three branches of the government have ALWAYS been secular. That is a fact.

You are aware that the FFRF is an insanely biased source, right? :lol: Blankly quoting a link is also a sign of a very weak argument.

Take an American history course and learn about the government. The structure of the federal system is and always has been secular, from the moment the Establishment Clause was formulated.

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[QUOTE="Gs4u2"] This is hopeless lmao :lol: i love the young ''philosophers'' and "history experts" in this thread thinking they know everything and they must be right.Gs4u2

Riiiight..... :roll:

Lets pack it up people! Move it! Out of this thread!