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#101 hamstergeddon

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Did you click the link? No. ALSO, the anthem makes biblical references. And also I forgot to add the MOTTO of the united states is ''IN GOD WE TRUST''BabbsTheTitan

the US is a country. We don't jave a motto :| And these trivial things like our "Motto" and a line in the pledge of allegiance mean nothing. actuaLLY has some meaning. The seperation of church and state clause. That the framers of our Constitution wrote. To keep our government secular. /thread.

The U.S doesn't have a motto? :lol:.....yes it does, and that is the motto. Secondly, the government was used to promote Christianity. That is not debatable. That is something which truly secular governments do not allow.

I like how you took out the link I put in my post when you replied so you wouldn't have to respond to it.

EDIT: Okay, we're done here. You aren't even attacking my main points anymore. Have a good one, kid.

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] The U.S doesn't have a motto? :lol:.....yes it does, and that is the motto. Secondly, the government was used to promote Christianity. That is not debatable. That is something which truly secular governments do not allow.BabbsTheTitan

And one could argue using your logic that a truly Christian nation would not allow the separation between Church and State. ;)

I am not claiming that the U.S is a completely Christian nation. I am simply arguing it was not a secular one.

Nothing works 100% in practice. But I think its safe to say that it does head to that direction not with the purpose being to be 100% secular but to maintain a secular general stance.

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#103 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] the US is a country. We don't jave a motto :| And these trivial things like our "Motto" and a line in the pledge of allegiance mean nothing. actuaLLY has some meaning. The seperation of church and state clause. That the framers of our Constitution wrote. To keep our government secular. /thread.

The U.S doesn't have a motto? :lol:.....yes it does, and that is the motto. Secondly, the government was used to promote Christianity. That is not debatable. That is something which truly secular governments do not allow.

I like how you took out the link I put in my post when you replied so you wouldn't have to respond to it. Okay, we're done here. You aren't even attacking my main points anymore. Have a good one, kid.

I like how YOU falsely spread 2 misconceptions, until I corrected them, accused me of editing your link out when there was no link, and refuse to acknowledge anything when your points are completely shattered other than come up with more points and beat around the bush.

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#104 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]And one could argue using your logic that a truly Christian nation would not allow the separation between Church and State. ;)
Teenaged

I am not claiming that the U.S is a completely Christian nation. I am simply arguing it was not a secular one.

Nothing works 100% in practice. But I think its safe to say that it does head to that direction not with the purpose being to be 100% secular but to maintain a secular general stance.

Now we're arguing over how much percent of it was secular, Oh man :lol:

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#105 hamstergeddon

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] It was added in the pledge in the Fundamentalist movement of the 50's. More of an anti-Communist knee-jerk reaction than anything. And where in the anthem does it say anything about God? Do you even know the anthem, or just the last two lines like everyone else?

Did you click the link? No. ALSO, the anthem makes biblical references. And also I forgot to add the MOTTO of the united states is ''IN GOD WE TRUST''

the US is a country. We don't jave a motto :| And these trivial things like our "Motto" and a line in the pledge of allegiance mean nothing. this actuaLLY has some meaning. The seperation of church and state clause. That the framers of our Constitution wrote. To keep our government secular. /thread.

Original post. Like I said, have a good one.

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#106 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Did you click the link? No. ALSO, the anthem makes biblical references. And also I forgot to add the MOTTO of the united states is ''IN GOD WE TRUST''hamstergeddon

the US is a country. We don't jave a motto :| And these trivial things like our "Motto" and a line in the pledge of allegiance mean nothing. actuaLLY has some meaning. The seperation of church and state clause. That the framers of our Constitution wrote. To keep our government secular. /thread.

Original post. Like I said, have a good one.

I suggest reading your own links. Jefferson and James Madison's conceptions of separation have long been debated. Jefferson refused to issue Proclamations of Thanksgiving sent to him by Congress during his presidency, though he did issue a Thanksgiving and Prayer proclamation as Governor of Virginia.[10][11] Madison issued four religious proclamations while President,[12] but vetoed two bills on the grounds they violated the first amendment.[13] On the other hand, both Jefferson and Madison attended religious services at the Capitol.[14] After retiring from the presidency, Madison argued in his detached memoranda[15] for a strong separation of church and state. Madison's original draft of the Bill of Rights had included provisions binding the States, as well as the Federal Government, from an establishment of religion, but the House did not pass them.[citation needed] Jefferson's opponents said his position was the destruction and the governmental rejection of Christianity, but this was a caricature.[16] In setting up the University of Virginia, Jefferson encouraged all the separate sects to have preachers of their own, though there was a constitutional ban on the State supporting a Professorship of Divinity, arising from his own Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom.[17] This arrangement was "fully compatible with Jefferson's views on the separation of church and state".[18]

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#107 hamstergeddon

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] the US is a country. We don't jave a motto :| And these trivial things like our "Motto" and a line in the pledge of allegiance mean nothing. actuaLLY has some meaning. The seperation of church and state clause. That the framers of our Constitution wrote. To keep our government secular. /thread.

Original post. Like I said, have a good one.

I suggest reading your own links. Jefferson and James Madison's conceptions of separation have long been debated. Jefferson refused to issue Proclamations of Thanksgiving sent to him by Congress during his presidency, though he did issue a Thanksgiving and Prayer proclamation as Governor of Virginia.[10][11] Madison issued four religious proclamations while President,[12] but vetoed two bills on the grounds they violated the first amendment.[13] On the other hand, both Jefferson and Madison attended religious services at the Capitol.[14] After retiring from the presidency, Madison argued in his detached memoranda[15] for a strong separation of church and state. Madison's original draft of the Bill of Rights had included provisions binding the States, as well as the Federal Government, from an establishment of religion, but the House did not pass them.[citation needed] Jefferson's opponents said his position was the destruction and the governmental rejection of Christianity, but this was a caricature.[16] In setting up the University of Virginia, Jefferson encouraged all the separate sects to have preachers of their own, though there was a constitutional ban on the State supporting a Professorship of Divinity, arising from his own Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom.[17] This arrangement was "fully compatible with Jefferson's views on the separation of church and state".[18]

SO? Jefferson was religious. He still supported the first Amendment therefore he supported separation of church and state.

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When I say "we", I am referring to the U.S.A. Not any other nations, although other nations can be brought up in this discussion.
Are we a Christian nation? Most would say "yes", we are. But why? Is it because the majority of Americans claim to be Christians? Well then, if this is so, why not call America a white nation? A female nation? Does the majority define a country? I'd hate to think so. Discuss. Thanks for your time.
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You make no good points.

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#109 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"] Original post. Like I said, have a good one.

I suggest reading your own links. Jefferson and James Madison's conceptions of separation have long been debated. Jefferson refused to issue Proclamations of Thanksgiving sent to him by Congress during his presidency, though he did issue a Thanksgiving and Prayer proclamation as Governor of Virginia.[10][11] Madison issued four religious proclamations while President,[12] but vetoed two bills on the grounds they violated the first amendment.[13] On the other hand, both Jefferson and Madison attended religious services at the Capitol.[14] After retiring from the presidency, Madison argued in his detached memoranda[15] for a strong separation of church and state. Madison's original draft of the Bill of Rights had included provisions binding the States, as well as the Federal Government, from an establishment of religion, but the House did not pass them.[citation needed] Jefferson's opponents said his position was the destruction and the governmental rejection of Christianity, but this was a caricature.[16] In setting up the University of Virginia, Jefferson encouraged all the separate sects to have preachers of their own, though there was a constitutional ban on the State supporting a Professorship of Divinity, arising from his own Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom.[17] This arrangement was "fully compatible with Jefferson's views on the separation of church and state".[18]

SO? Jefferson was religious. He still supported the first Amendment therefore he supported separation of church and state.

Secular governments do NOT have religious services in their own senate buildings. Secular governments do NOT make religious proclomations. You cant have both christianity AND secularlism in the gov't. :lol:

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[QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]
Centuries? America is only 233 years old. . .
markop2003

That's 2 centuries then. Plural.

A couple of centries isn't usually reffered to as "centuries" though, it would be reffered to as 200 years or a "couple of centuries"

the plural of century is centuries. period. you even used the word in your example.

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#111 ishoturface

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not anymore

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There is no doubt that Christianity has an impact on the culture, and thus its politics. But I would not call it a Christian nation.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Secular governments do NOT have religious services in their own senate buildings. Secular governments do NOT make religious proclomations. You cant have both christianity AND secularlism in the gov't. :lol:

Are you saying for a country to be secular, the president has to be atheist or very irreligious?

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#114 ItalStallion777

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this country was built on christian principles and it is the religion with the greatest majority.

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Yes, as evidenced by its population, policies, laws, and history. /threadBabbsTheTitan

Look at your first post here. Here you say that it is a Christian Nation. Full Stop.

Next time admit that you were wrong and dont backpedal. ;)

Of course I will debate percentages with someone who has an absolute view on the subject.

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#116 XD4NTESINF3RNOX

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not me so i guess i'm not part of the us anymore :cry:

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="hamstergeddon"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Why is christianity in the United States national anthem? Why is it in the pledge? Why. http://toptenproofs.com/article_christianheritage.php

It was added in the pledge in the Fundamentalist movement of the 50's. More of an anti-Communist knee-jerk reaction than anything. And where in the anthem does it say anything about God? Do you even know the anthem, or just the last two lines like everyone else?

Did you click the link? No. ALSO, the anthem makes biblical references. And also I forgot to add the MOTTO of the united states is ''IN GOD WE TRUST''

Once again, references to God =/= references to the Christian God.

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#118 chessmaster1989

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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"]America is a nation of sheep. Blind, idiotic sheep. They go to work, slave away, worship imaginary saviors, then go to bed, wake up and do it all over again the next day. What a waste of life.Theokhoth

I'm interested to know how you're spending your life.

Aw, y'know: smokin' pot, makin' accounts on websites to mess with da sheeple, bein' cool.

Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool?

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USA is a Christian Nation? God save us all;P

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#120 deactivated-59d151f079814

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this country was built on christian principles and it is the religion with the greatest majority.
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Yes, but Christianity has evolved by society of the United States.. Its so called "values" change as society changes...

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#121 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Once again, references to God =/= references to the Christian God.

Whats the difference between Christian God and God? :lol:!!

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#122 deactivated-59d151f079814

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Once again, references to God =/= references to the Christian God.BabbsTheTitan

Whats the difference between Christian God and God? :lol:!!

God is a nonspecific idea that can envelope all religions.

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#123 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33

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What Christian values was the US built upon exactly? I'd like to know.

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#124 hamstergeddon

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]
Once again, references to God =/= references to the Christian God.BabbsTheTitan

Whats the difference between Christian God and God? :lol:!!

.... such arrogance... This may be surprising to you, but Christianity is not the only religion in the world...

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#125 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Once again, references to God =/= references to the Christian God.sSubZerOo

Whats the difference between Christian God and God? :lol:!!

God is a nonspecific idea that can envelope all religions.

And the difference referencing either one in a secular society is..?

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#126 deactivated-59d151f079814

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Whats the difference between Christian God and God? :lol:!!BabbsTheTitan

God is a nonspecific idea that can envelope all religions.

And the difference referencing either one in a secular society is..?

Freedom of religion.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Once again, references to God =/= references to the Christian God.

Whats the difference between Christian God and God? :lol:!!

...is this a serious question?

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#128 BabbsTheTitan

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What Christian values was the US built upon exactly? I'd like to know.jointed

There was prayer services in the senate capitol, numerous, numerous religious proclomations were made by presidents, which would not be tolerated in a secular gov't. Also, the countless references to Christianity in the anthem, the motto, the pledge...theres alot more too

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#129 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] God is a nonspecific idea that can envelope all religions.sSubZerOo

And the difference referencing either one in a secular society is..?

Freedom of religion.

:| How does this make a difference which ANY god a gov't worships? So you're telling me if the U.S government promoted buddhism instead of Christianity it would be still secular? thats what im getting from it

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#130 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33

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[QUOTE="jointed"]What Christian values was the US built upon exactly? I'd like to know.BabbsTheTitan

There was prayer services in the senate capitol, numerous, numerous religious proclomations were made by presidents, which would not be tolerated in a secular gov't. Also, the countless references to Christianity in the anthem, the motto, the pledge...theres alot more too

Irrelevant, I'd like to know what Christian values has been institutionalized in the US government...not what individuals do. Can you come up with something that directly influences people of other faiths?

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#131 hamstergeddon

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] [QUOTE="jointed"]What Christian values was the US built upon exactly? I'd like to know.jointed

There was prayer services in the senate capitol, numerous, numerous religious proclomations were made by presidents, which would not be tolerated in a secular gov't. Also, the countless references to Christianity in the anthem, the motto, the pledge...theres alot more too

Irrelevant, I'd like to know what Christian values has been institutionalized in the US government...not what individuals do. Can you come up with something that directly influences people of other faiths?

Dude, don't even waste your time arguing with this guy. It's obvious he's too involved in his own mindset to consider other points of view....

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#132 deactivated-59d151f079814

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] And the difference referencing either one in a secular society is..?BabbsTheTitan

Freedom of religion.

:| How does this make a difference which ANY god a gov't worships? So you're telling me if the U.S government promoted buddhism instead of Christianity it would be still secular? thats what im getting from it

Where in the hell does it promote Christianity? Where in the Anthem? Where in the pledge? It says under god which was added during the 50s!.. God by no means its always a Christian being.

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#133 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] [QUOTE="jointed"]What Christian values was the US built upon exactly? I'd like to know.jointed

There was prayer services in the senate capitol, numerous, numerous religious proclomations were made by presidents, which would not be tolerated in a secular gov't. Also, the countless references to Christianity in the anthem, the motto, the pledge...theres alot more too

Irrelevant, I'd like to know what Christian values has been institutionalized in the US government...not what individuals do. Can you come up with something that directly influences people of other faiths?

Yes, a good example would be Native Americans being Christianized, and the process being supported by Thomas Jefferson even.

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#134 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]There was prayer services in the senate capitol, numerous, numerous religious proclomations were made by presidents, which would not be tolerated in a secular gov't. Also, the countless references to Christianity in the anthem, the motto, the pledge...theres alot more tooBabbsTheTitan

Irrelevant, I'd like to know what Christian values has been institutionalized in the US government...not what individuals do. Can you come up with something that directly influences people of other faiths?

Yes, a good example would be Native Americans being Christianized, and the process being supported by Thomas Jefferson even.

That's not what I'm asking you. I'm asking you to show me something which indicates that the government has institutionalized Christian values. Show me a law or something that affects citizens. Saying that the Native Americans were Christianized has got nothing to do with how the government is structured.

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[QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"]America is a nation of sheep. Blind, idiotic sheep. They go to work, slave away, worship imaginary saviors, then go to bed, wake up and do it all over again the next day. What a waste of life.fidosim

I'm interested to know how you're spending your life.

Probably does nothing and lives off the government (aka other people, hmm..sounds similar to slavery...).

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[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]
[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Yes, as evidenced by its population, policies, laws, and history. /threadBabbsTheTitan

Do you think that is right?

Yes, every founding father was Christian to some extent. There was also major prejudices against athiests in the Senate in the 1860's (Senators would vetoe the bills of a certain man who was atheist purposefully. And those were just RUMOURS he was atheist). Its in the history books.

The most important founders were Diests.

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#137 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] Irrelevant, I'd like to know what Christian values has been institutionalized in the US government...not what individuals do. Can you come up with something that directly influences people of other faiths?

Yes, a good example would be Native Americans being Christianized, and the process being supported by Thomas Jefferson even.

That's not what I'm asking you. I'm asking you to show me something which indicates that the government has institutionalized Christian values. Show me a law or something that affects citizens. Saying that the Native Americans were Christianized has got nothing to do with how the government is structured.

Here's yet another example regarding a law after Nat Turner's rebellion, if you must: The General Assembly also passed a law restricting all blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister that directly affected African Americans from practicing religion freely.

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#138 chessmaster1989

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[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="Hugh-G-Rection"]America is a nation of sheep. Blind, idiotic sheep. They go to work, slave away, worship imaginary saviors, then go to bed, wake up and do it all over again the next day. What a waste of life.trix5817

I'm interested to know how you're spending your life.

Probably does nothing and lives off the government (aka other people, hmm..sounds similar to slavery...).

Wow, now you're comparing welfare to slavery? :lol:

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#139 deactivated-5901ac91d8e33

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Yes, a good example would be Native Americans being Christianized, and the process being supported by Thomas Jefferson even.BabbsTheTitan

That's not what I'm asking you. I'm asking you to show me something which indicates that the government has institutionalized Christian values. Show me a law or something that affects citizens. Saying that the Native Americans were Christianized has got nothing to do with how the government is structured.

Here's yet another example regarding a law after Nat Turner's rebellion, if you must: The General Assembly also passed a law restricting all blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister that directly affected African Americans from practicing religion freely.

So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

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#140 Astrapsody

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[QUOTE="Astrapsody"]
When I say "we", I am referring to the U.S.A. Not any other nations, although other nations can be brought up in this discussion.
Are we a Christian nation? Most would say "yes", we are. But why? Is it because the majority of Americans claim to be Christians? Well then, if this is so, why not call America a white nation? A female nation? Does the majority define a country? I'd hate to think so. Discuss. Thanks for your time.
Shacks210

You make no good points.

1) Ouch.

2) I wasn't really trying to make a point. Just trying to give people something tp discuss. As you can see, my paragraph is mostly made of questions.

3) Contribute instead of insulting others without basis.

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#141 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] That's not what I'm asking you. I'm asking you to show me something which indicates that the government has institutionalized Christian values. Show me a law or something that affects citizens. Saying that the Native Americans were Christianized has got nothing to do with how the government is structured.

Here's yet another example regarding a law after Nat Turner's rebellion, if you must: The General Assembly also passed a law restricting all blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister that directly affected African Americans from practicing religion freely.

So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="Astrapsody"]
Do you think that is right?
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Yes, every founding father was Christian to some extent. There was also major prejudices against athiests in the Senate in the 1860's (Senators would vetoe the bills of a certain man who was atheist purposefully. And those were just RUMOURS he was atheist). Its in the history books.

The most important founders were Diests.

Exactly. And people seem to forget that one of the most influential founders, if not the most influential founder, was Thomas Paine.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Here's yet another example regarding a law after Nat Turner's rebellion, if you must: The General Assembly also passed a law restricting all blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister that directly affected African Americans from practicing religion freely.BabbsTheTitan

So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.

And Christians in the North thought slavery was an abomination. Christianity didn't play a major part in slavery, greed played a major part in slavery.

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[QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"] Here's yet another example regarding a law after Nat Turner's rebellion, if you must: The General Assembly also passed a law restricting all blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister that directly affected African Americans from practicing religion freely.

So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.

That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.

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Christ would be disappointed in America.

And this is not a troll post, if you look at his teachings, America doesn't exactly follow most of them.

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"babbsthetitan" is right. Christianity played a major role in the U.S's early and mid history. hes also right regarding Christianity and slave owners.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.

That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.

It was, slave owners used it based on their interpretation.

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] So that's a Christian value? Preventing blacks from holding religious meetings without the presence of a licensed white minister....

Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.

That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.

Exactly ;). Slave owners believed they were doing the right thing based on their interpretation. For further reading, I suggest these: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76 (particularly this one) http://www.sciway3.net/2001/john-c-calhoun/Slavery.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_slavery http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/748257/converting_african_american_slaves.html

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"]Actually, that WAS a Southern Christian value. Chrisitianity played a major part in slavery, men believed owning slaves was right and proper due to the Bible. Again, it affected a group of people from practicing their religion freely, even if the religion did not harm anyone. Also, one more example, certain religions were taxed in the United States' early history.BabbsTheTitan

That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.

It was, slave owners used it based on their interpretation.

Show me a phrase then.

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#150 BabbsTheTitan

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[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="BabbsTheTitan"][QUOTE="jointed"] That's most certainly not a Christian value. Show me a phrase in the Bible that supports it.

It was, slave owners used it based on their interpretation.

Show me a phrase then.

Read what the guy above me said, I couldnt of said it better.

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