USA VS England,which is better?

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Our health care system is fvcking awful.

MannyDelgado

I thought we were discussing cultural diversity, rather than ancestry. Meine mutter kommt auf Deutschland, aber ich bin ein Englander. London isn't cherry picked - it is the capital of England and where I live.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] work out & eat right = best general healthcare system in the world, and it is completely GOV free, at least in america. surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]thisiswhatlibertariansreallythink.jpgMannyDelgado

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i live my life as i espouse, my vitals are great, my energy is high, i rarely get sick. living healthy is by far the best way to stay healthy, how does that not connect to you. it is all good though, you go on and count on others for your health, dont exercise and eat like sh!t it may end up costing you an arm and a leg and me much in taxes, but chances are i will live longer happier and obviously healthier.surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]>it's not there

5 minutes later

>it's not really there

lulz, you suck

MannyDelgado

What an excellent rebuttal, you sure showed me. You should become a lawyer.

No, your wrong and you have to resort to personal insults like a child because you can't form a decent argument.

The fact is you are not allowed to own a handgun or conceal carry in England, even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted process. I doubt the majority of English people have even fired a gun before in their entire life.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i live my life as i espouse, my vitals are great, my energy is high, i rarely get sick. living healthy is by far the best way to stay healthy, how does that not connect to you. it is all good though, you go on and count on others for your health, dont exercise and eat like sh!t it may end up costing you an arm and a leg and me much in taxes, but chances are i will live longer happier and obviously healthier.

surrealnumber5

I'll go tell my dad to throw away all his medicine for his blood pressure and just go to the gym instead.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Yes, and America has had immigrants come from all over that European continent for the past few centuries. The largest single ancestry stands at 15% (Germany). I'd continue, but numbers speak louder than words:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_of_the_people_of_the_United_States

And that's for the whole country, not a cherry-picked city.

RationalAtheist

I thought we were discussing cultural diversity, rather than ancestry. Meine mutter kommt auf Deutschland, aber ich bin ein Englander. London isn't cherry picked - it is the capital of England and where I live.

Unless you are implying that England's immigrants hold onto their culture moreso than American immigrants, I don't exactly understand why that is a relevant point. There isn't really a distinct "American" culture - it's a lot of sh!t mostly from Europe. Yes, England is the capital city of your country - it's, from my understanding, the most culturally diverse.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

What an excellent rebuttal, you sure showed me. You should become a lawyer.

ShadowMoses900

No, your wrong and you have to resort to personal insults like a child because you can't form a decent argument.

The fact is you are not allowed to own a handgun or conceal carry in England, even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted process. I doubt the majority of English people have even fired a gun before in their entire life.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Man, this is like a new level of right-wing retardedness: not only are poor people responsible for being poor, sick people are responsible for being sicktoast_burner

I'll go tell my dad to throw away all his medicine for his blood pressure and just go to the gym instead.

what does that have to do with anything i have said. please expoundsurrealnumber5

Well aparently you don't need healthcare, you can just eat healthy and workout. Why don't you expand on what you meant?

no right to bear arms at allShadowMoses900

even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted processShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Well, I'm right. You're a slimy c*nt who can't backpedal to save his life.toast_burner

No, your wrong and you have to resort to personal insults like a child because you can't form a decent argument.

The fact is you are not allowed to own a handgun or conceal carry in England, even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted process. I doubt the majority of English people have even fired a gun before in their entire life.

That's a shame. Owning and shooting guns is a good hobby, I enjoy it and I think most English people would too if they got the chance. But your Nanny State won't let you do it, because they don't want you to be able to defend yourself.

First: [QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]no right to bear arms at allMannyDelgado

even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted processShadowMoses900

Your "right to bear arms" is not really a right if they stop most people from owning fire arms, and banning hand guns out right. You cannot defend yourself without a hand gun.

I think Senor Delgado misread surreal's initial post. I do not think he was necessarily implying exercise and diet at the exclusion of all other medicine.

Your "right to bear arms" is not really a right if they stop most people from owning fire arms, and banning hand guns out right. You cannot defend yourself without a hand gun.ShadowMoses900

Your "right to bear arms" is not really a right if they stop most people from owning fire arms, and banning hand guns out right. You cannot defend yourself without a hand gun.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Man, this is like a new level of right-wing retardedness: not only are poor people responsible for being poor, sick people are responsible for being sickMannyDelgado

I think Senor Delgado misread surreal's initial post. I do not think he was necessarily implying exercise and diet at the exclusion of all other medicine.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No, your wrong and you have to resort to personal insults like a child because you can't form a decent argument.

The fact is you are not allowed to own a handgun or conceal carry in England, even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted process. I doubt the majority of English people have even fired a gun before in their entire life.

ShadowMoses900

That's a shame. Owning and shooting guns is a good hobby, I enjoy it and I think most English people would too if they got the chance. But your Nanny State won't let you do it, because they don't want you to be able to defend yourself.

I think Senor Delgado misread surreal's initial post. I do not think he was necessarily implying exercise and diet at the exclusion of all other medicine.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Your "right to bear arms" is not really a right if they stop most people from owning fire arms, and banning hand guns out right. You cannot defend yourself without a hand gun.MannyDelgado

Too many variables. The US has a far larger population than the UK, and the vast majority of gun related crimes in the US are due to criminals getting guns illegaly through things like the black market. The average gun owning American is a law abiding citizen and do not commit crimes.

In fact guns save more lives than commit crimes, you can learn about it here:

Gun Control - Just Facts

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No, your wrong and you have to resort to personal insults like a child because you can't form a decent argument.

The fact is you are not allowed to own a handgun or conceal carry in England, even getting a rifle or a shot gun there is an extreamely restricted process. I doubt the majority of English people have even fired a gun before in their entire life.

ShadowMoses900

That's a shame. Owning and shooting guns is a good hobby, I enjoy it and I think most English people would too if they got the chance. But your Nanny State won't let you do it, because they don't want you to be able to defend yourself.

I can and have go shooting if I want. The law doesn't prevent you from doing so.

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i live my life as i espouse, my vitals are great, my energy is high, i rarely get sick. living healthy is by far the best way to stay healthy, how does that not connect to you. it is all good though, you go on and count on others for your health, dont exercise and eat like sh!t it may end up costing you an arm and a leg and me much in taxes, but chances are i will live longer happier and obviously healthier.surrealnumber5

The US has a far larger population than the UKShadowMoses900

The US has a far larger population than the UK, and the vast majority of gun related crimes in the US are due to criminals getting guns illegaly through things like the black market. The average gun owning American is a law abiding citizen and do not commit crimes.ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]The majority of people in England have no interest in owning a gun.

Chicken453

That's a shame. Owning and shooting guns is a good hobby, I enjoy it and I think most English people would too if they got the chance. But your Nanny State won't let you do it, because they don't want you to be able to defend yourself.

So telling the truth here = trolling? Sounds like your too biased to your emotions and just want to dismiss the truth by calling other people trolls.

There are only 2 trpes of good people in this world, the survivors and the victims. By not owning a gun you place yourself in the victim category. We live in a broken world, there are some very bad people out there and they are willing to hurt you and your family to get what they want. They have no remorse at all.

Most people are good right? It's easy to say that in times of peace, but in times of hardship and uncertainty people show their true colors, and unfortunately many people are not as civilized as you think. Many of these good people now often throw out their morals and become bad themselves.

Look at what happens around the world, New Orleans for example, After Katrina there was pure anarchy and people were raping and killing each other, preying on their fellow man. The future is unknown, but I advise you to be prepared. That's why I recommend stocking up, learning how to fire guns and survive on your own.

You never know what will happen.

USA > French Fries > Puerto Rico > UK

WTF happened to this thread...oh wait...funky is in here. That explains it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]The US has a far larger population than the UKMannyDelgado

The US has a far larger population than the UK, and the vast majority of gun related crimes in the US are due to criminals getting guns illegaly through things like the black market. The average gun owning American is a law abiding citizen and do not commit crimes.ShadowMoses900

I presented the facts to you, you just choose to listen to your emotions instead of logic. Until you prove otherwise there is nothing further to discuss....

I presented the facts to you, you just choose to listen to your emotions instead of logic. Until you prove otherwise there is nothing further to discuss....ShadowMoses900

England is better because you can walk around with rotten crooked teeth and no one will judge you.DaBrainz

America has p. much always (like, since there was guns or America) had a significantly higher crime rate in general than the U.K. - in part, seemingly, to cultural differences. It has also addressed income inequality - well, it actually hasn't meaningfully addressed it. There are sections of the population that have, historically, been socially and economically discriminated against, which causes crime and then that compounds itself culturally after so many generations. Can this explain the difference in gun crime between the two countries? I'm not entirely sure. Then again, one can procure a firearm in the U.K. There simply is less of an interest to have one. That alone might make a substantial difference, but at the same time, Switzerland also has a very low homicide rate. I guess what I'm getting at is that controlling for this sh!t is, to say the least, a wee difficult. Moreover, within the U.S., it needs to be addressed whether really tight gun control would reduce crime, even if it has for Europe. Why? Because there are 270 million privately owned firearms in the country - that is quite a saturation not quite comparable to the levels when other Western nations enacted theirs. A black market for the weapons with ready access to said weapons would be around for the foreseeable future, and generally speaking, the people inclined to obey the laws are not nearly as likely to misuse their firearms.

TL;DR: Gun law sh!t ITT seems to be conjecture. The one thing that can be said with certainty, however, is that you're quite a bit less likely to be murdered in England.

[QUOTE="Chicken453"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

That's a shame. Owning and shooting guns is a good hobby, I enjoy it and I think most English people would too if they got the chance. But your Nanny State won't let you do it, because they don't want you to be able to defend yourself.

ShadowMoses900

So telling the truth here = trolling? Sounds like your too biased to your emotions and just want to dismiss the truth by calling other people trolls.

There are only 2 trpes of good people in this world, the survivors and the victims. By not owning a gun you place yourself in the victim category. We live in a broken world, there are some very bad people out there and they are willing to hurt you and your family to get what they want. They have no remorse at all.

Most people are good right? It's easy to say that in times of peace, but in times of hardship and uncertainty people show their true colors, and unfortunately many people are not as civilized as you think. Many of these good people now often throw out their morals and become bad themselves.

Look at what happens around the world, New Orleans for example, After Katrina there was pure anarchy and people were raping and killing each other, preying on their fellow man. The future is unknown, but I advise you to be prepared. That's why I recommend stocking up, learning how to fire guns and survive on your own.

You never know what will happen.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I presented the facts to you, you just choose to listen to your emotions instead of logic. Until you prove otherwise there is nothing further to discuss....MannyDelgado

Those are all facts that I linked to. It is all based off of the most statistics and it cites SEVERAL studies, and observes them. It provides evidence and proof and has many forms of showing it, there is nothing wrong with the graphs, they are accurate.'

There is however, something wrong with your line of logic. This is what you are doing "My emotions > logic and facts". All you have done is laugh at me and throw insults like a juvenile. You have not presented any facts here, I did.

If you can't accept them than that's your problem, not mine. You're no different than the creationists that deny evolution.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Chicken453"] Seriously Shadow, you said you would stop acting like a 5 year old, everytime I think your a normal decent guy you come out with some stupid childish trolling. Can you just leave your System Wars troll gag there from now on ok?Chicken453

So telling the truth here = trolling? Sounds like your too biased to your emotions and just want to dismiss the truth by calling other people trolls.

There are only 2 trpes of good people in this world, the survivors and the victims. By not owning a gun you place yourself in the victim category. We live in a broken world, there are some very bad people out there and they are willing to hurt you and your family to get what they want. They have no remorse at all.

Most people are good right? It's easy to say that in times of peace, but in times of hardship and uncertainty people show their true colors, and unfortunately many people are not as civilized as you think. Many of these good people now often throw out their morals and become bad themselves.

Look at what happens around the world, New Orleans for example, After Katrina there was pure anarchy and people were raping and killing each other, preying on their fellow man. The future is unknown, but I advise you to be prepared. That's why I recommend stocking up, learning how to fire guns and survive on your own.

You never know what will happen.

If I'm wrong why can't you prove it?

[QUOTE="MannyDelgado"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I presented the facts to you, you just choose to listen to your emotions instead of logic. Until you prove otherwise there is nothing further to discuss....ShadowMoses900

Those are all facts that I linked to. It is all based off of the most statistics and it cites SEVERAL studies, and observes them. It provides evidence and proof and has many forms of showing it, there is nothing wrong with the graphs, they are accurate.'

There is however, something wrong with your line of logic. This is what you are doing "My emotions > logic and facts". All you have done is laugh at me and throw insults like a juvenile. You have not presented any facts here, I did.

If you can't accept them than that's your problem, not mine. You're no different than the creationists that deny evolution.

edit: also, I never said their graphs were factually untrue. The issue is with their selection and interpretation. You're even more retarded than I thought if you couldn't pick that up

[QUOTE="Chicken453"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

So telling the truth here = trolling? Sounds like your too biased to your emotions and just want to dismiss the truth by calling other people trolls.

There are only 2 trpes of good people in this world, the survivors and the victims. By not owning a gun you place yourself in the victim category. We live in a broken world, there are some very bad people out there and they are willing to hurt you and your family to get what they want. They have no remorse at all.

Most people are good right? It's easy to say that in times of peace, but in times of hardship and uncertainty people show their true colors, and unfortunately many people are not as civilized as you think. Many of these good people now often throw out their morals and become bad themselves.

Look at what happens around the world, New Orleans for example, After Katrina there was pure anarchy and people were raping and killing each other, preying on their fellow man. The future is unknown, but I advise you to be prepared. That's why I recommend stocking up, learning how to fire guns and survive on your own.

You never know what will happen.

ShadowMoses900

If I'm wrong why can't you prove it?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Chicken453"] Listen. You know very little about the world ok. Stop with your stupid preaching, you are reaching out to no one, you just come across as a bit crazy. No you are wrong, i don't live in a broken world where a gun is needed for survival, don't try an apply your twisted logic to the rest of the world ok because things are different in every corner of the world....... Chicken453

If I'm wrong why can't you prove it?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Chicken453"] Listen. You know very little about the world ok. Stop with your stupid preaching, you are reaching out to no one, you just come across as a bit crazy. No you are wrong, i don't live in a broken world where a gun is needed for survival, don't try an apply your twisted logic to the rest of the world ok because things are different in every corner of the world....... Chicken453

If I'm wrong why can't you prove it?

It's not about impressing, it's about arguing with facts. Which I did. You did not, you just get upset and emotional and throw tantrum insults at me.

This happens a lot when you prove people wrong, some people are so biased they won't ever admit the truth. It happens to people who are closed minded.

I've heard rumors that wild shadowmoseses (plural = shadowmosii?) inhabit the U.S., so I want my right to bear arms.

[QUOTE="Chicken453"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

If I'm wrong why can't you prove it?

ShadowMoses900

It's not about impressing, it's about arguing with facts. Which I did. You did not, you just get upset and emotional and throw tantrum insults at me.

This happens a lot when you prove people wrong, some people are so biased they won't ever admit the truth. It happens to people who are closed minded.

They both have their positives and negatives but I will say US cause I live here even though I like England and the people from there. Also Canada beat the US in the Revolutionary war.

Also Canada beat the US in the Revolutionary war.

CHOASXIII

wat

iirc canada wasn't even part of it

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Also Canada beat the US in the Revolutionary war.

coolbeans90

wat

iirc canada wasn't even part of it

Yes and they defeated the British in the war of 1812, this is why Canada always wins in Canada vs US.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Also Canada beat the US in the Revolutionary war.

CHOASXIII

wat

iirc canada wasn't even part of it

Yes and they defeated the British in the war of 1812, this is why Canada always wins in Canada vs US.

that was not the revolutionary war, bro

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]

Honestly it depends what you like. For scenery america is by far the better place, when I went on a travel/holiday, some of the sites you guys have are just crazy good. However the poverty (specially in san fransico) was horrible, like literally its depressing that you have such a wealthy powerful country and there are people dead on the streets (most extreme case I saw).

However I think if you are succesful, then America is the place to be, there seems to be a more welcoming persona from americans. Everyone likes to help out, the weather (again I guess for the californian area) is vastly better, there are more things to do and see.

The only problem is that I think in america you can become quite detached to the outside world. Maybe thats because I am used to england and its so much smaller in everything, but like when I went on a trip to yosemeite national park (sorry if I spelt that wrong), there were just random houses in the middle of nowhere. There are isolateed towns where it would appear impossible to escape from.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

wat

iirc canada wasn't even part of it

coolbeans90

Yes and they defeated the British in the war of 1812, this is why Canada always wins in Canada vs US.

that was not the revolutionary war, bro

They were connected in a way, Canada always comes out on top though.