Vice-Presidential Debate 2008 Discussion!

[QUOTE="paradigm68"]

lol, I love the results of the poll currently

Biden 85% 40 votes Palin 15% 7 votes

psn_Jaimzl

GS renamed Bidenspot imo

[QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

ROFL

how exactly is tax dodging unpatriotic???

sSubZerOo

Becuase you aren't giving money to the government. The same government that protects you, gives you your rights, gaurentees your safety with funding for police and firefighters, and educates your kids. That's why dodging taxes is unpatriotic.

so keeping what you have without it being stolen is unpatriotic?

you assume those services require theft.

Stolen? Theft? You pay the due for LIVING in the country, if you don't like it.. You leave it, its as simple as that. Better yet lets cut off all services from you, including you can't use roads, public facilities, police department, fire department, forage your own food sense numerous services protect you from dangerous foods..

If you think its stealing, then guess what.. You can leave the country, no one is stopping you from that.. But good luck TRYING to find a nation that does not tax you.

wait....what? so the country owns this land? not the people? so i should be a slave to the country? who is the country composed of?

since it's not stealing...consider this syllogism

theft is taking someone's property without consent

taxation is taking someone's property without consent

taxation is theft

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

DivergeUnify

Wanted to cash in on the pissed off Hillary fans and thought by just picking any random woman would do it.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

DivergeUnify

I think McCain chose her just for the fact of getting votes. Since she would have been the first female VP, and getting the votes of people who would have gone towards Clinton because of that fact.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

ROFL

how exactly is tax dodging unpatriotic???

mfacek

Becuase you aren't giving money to the government. The same government that protects you, gives you your rights, gaurentees your safety with funding for police and firefighters, and educates your kids. That's why dodging taxes is unpatriotic.

Ok, don't call the police, don't call the fire department, don't send your kids to school, don't expect to be protected by the U.S. army, don't expect your roads to be maintained, don't expect any relief if your town is hit with an earthquake, flood, tornado, fire, etc. Forget getting help from the court systems if you are harmed, stolen from. Expect a huge drop in your quality of healthcare. Don't do any of that, and then you can keep your money. Untill then, pay your taxes.

obviously you still think that those services can't be paid for voluntarily. i would pay a fee to the police fpr their services. i would also pay for roads, schooling, and firefighters. i would gladly do so. but taxation is wrong.

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="paradigm68"]

lol, I love the results of the poll currently

Biden 85% 40 votes Palin 15% 7 votes

blackngold29

GS renamed Bidenspot imo

Well it wouldn't be so bad if her scripted answers fit the questions.

And yes she is a gay basher, anybody that joins a pray away the gay evangelical church is a gay basher IMO.

HiResDes

She has never, ever, at any point, said anything remotely anti-gay.

With the possible exception of Biden (I don't know), every candidate in this election is morally opposed to homosexuality and have been in a church that said something negative about it, but none of them want it illegal, so it shouldn't really matter.

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

BioShockOwnz

this

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

DivergeUnify

Yeah, I like Palin, and I thought her nomination speech was good -- but she's not good in debates.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

Theokhoth

Picking Romney would have been like giving the entire Conservative base the finger on live television.

I would rather have a competant VP then one who was picked solely to pander to the conservative base and add excitement to the election.

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="paradigm68"]

lol, I love the results of the poll currently

Biden 85% 40 votes Palin 15% 7 votes

blackngold29

GS renamed Bidenspot imo

shows she has no knowledge of what she is talking about and just saying what she was told to say

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

mfacek

Picking Romney would have been like giving the entire Conservative base the finger on live television.

I would rather have a competant VP then one who was picked solely to pander to the conservative base and add excitement to the election.

Sounds like the presidential pick for the democratic party. ;)

Lost all gay voterspsn_Jaimzl

what happened?

Lost all gay voterspsn_Jaimzl

Both sides did then

Lost all gay voterspsn_Jaimzl

agreed haha

[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

BioShockOwnz

Picking Romney would have been like giving the entire Conservative base the finger on live television.

I would rather have a competant VP then one who was picked solely to pander to the conservative base and add excitement to the election.

Sounds like the presidential pick for the democratic party. ;)

/facepalm

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay votersbungie93

what happened?

neither canidate supports gay marrige but biden wants same rights and palin doesnt.

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay votersbungie93

what happened?

Palin doesn't support gay RIGHTS

Biden doesnt support gay Marriage

basically palin is saying gays shouldnt have civil rights

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="paradigm68"]

lol, I love the results of the poll currently

Biden 85% 40 votes Palin 15% 7 votes

psn_Jaimzl

GS renamed Bidenspot imo

shows she has no knowledge of what she is talking about and just saying what she was told to say

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay votersdaveydark

agreed haha

um...biden and palin have the same stance buddy

[QUOTE="bungie93"]

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay voterspsn_Jaimzl

what happened?

Palin doesn't support gay RIGHTS

Biden doesnt support gay Marriage

basically palin is saying gays shouldnt have civil rights

marriage is between a woman and a man.

[QUOTE="HiResDes"]

And yes she is a gay basher, anybody that joins a pray away the gay evangelical church is a gay basher IMO.

Theokhoth

She has never, ever, at any point, said anything remotely anti-gay.

With the possible exception of Biden (I don't know), every candidate in this election is morally opposed to homosexuality and have been in a church that said something negative about it, but none of them want it illegal, so it shouldn't really matter.

Fine, I'll concede gay bashing, was a poor choice of words

[QUOTE="bungie93"]

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay voterspsn_Jaimzl

what happened?

Palin doesn't support gay RIGHTS

Biden doesnt support gay Marriage

basically palin is saying gays shouldnt have civil rights

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

ROFL

how exactly is tax dodging unpatriotic???

lilburtonboy748

Becuase you aren't giving money to the government. The same government that protects you, gives you your rights, gaurentees your safety with funding for police and firefighters, and educates your kids. That's why dodging taxes is unpatriotic.

so keeping what you have without it being stolen is unpatriotic?

you assume those services require theft.

Stolen? Theft? You pay the due for LIVING in the country, if you don't like it.. You leave it, its as simple as that. Better yet lets cut off all services from you, including you can't use roads, public facilities, police department, fire department, forage your own food sense numerous services protect you from dangerous foods..

If you think its stealing, then guess what.. You can leave the country, no one is stopping you from that.. But good luck TRYING to find a nation that does not tax you.

wait....what? so the country owns this land? not the people? so i should be a slave to the country? who is the country composed of?

since it's not stealing...consider this syllogism

theft is taking someone's property without consent

taxation is taking someone's property without consent

taxation is theft

Yet again.. Don't use any public facilities, including foods.. You make it sound like you are getting nothing in return.. You are nieve to the extreme..

Lets see how well you handle not having:

A) Police department B) Fire Department C) get risky foods, the government has strict guidelines THEY pay for to protect YOU from health risk in foods. D) DON"T use the roads, the roads are GOVERNMENT financed, if you don't want to pay taxes don't use the roads.

E) Don't think you can get fair and equal treatment in your job place.. Those are government laws, regulations, and agencies that protected your worker rights.. But sense you don't want to get taxed..

F) Get rid of the currency, the currencies is the United States, they control it.. And control the value of it in a sense. Barter with goods. Wage laws don't apply to you, your as good as illegal aliens, and you will be shafted in wages.

g) Don't use public schooling of any kind, it is government funded.

List just goes on.. The way I see it, is if you don't feel like getting taxed.. Well you should not get a single one of these services.. Lets go see how long you last with out these services.

And no you arn't a slave.. Youa re FREE to leave the country any time.

[QUOTE="daveydark"]

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay voterslilburtonboy748

agreed haha

um...biden and palin have the same stance buddy

WRONG! biden supoprts equal rights, palin does not.

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="bungie93"]

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"]Lost all gay votersTjeremiah1988

what happened?

Palin doesn't support gay RIGHTS

Biden doesnt support gay Marriage

basically palin is saying gays shouldnt have civil rights

marriage is between a woman and a man.

[QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="paradigm68"]

lol, I love the results of the poll currently

Biden 85% 40 votes Palin 15% 7 votes

blackngold29

GS renamed Bidenspot imo

shows she has no knowledge of what she is talking about and just saying what she was told to say

I have a problem with her being scripted. Her consultants, anaylsts and speech writers write her scripts and answers, not her. When she gives scripted answers, it's not her talking or answering the question. Therefore, what's the point of the debate? If it was up to me, the canidates wouldn't get any questions in advance.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

DARN RIGHT!!!!:lol:

I love Sarah Palin. With that said, this debate is painful! Biden is too wise. McCain needs to kick the cutie and get Romney or Huckabee in...

Theokhoth

Picking Romney would have been like giving the entire Conservative base the finger on live television.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

And yes she is a gay basher, anybody that joins a pray away the gay evangelical church is a gay basher IMO.

HiResDes

She has never, ever, at any point, said anything remotely anti-gay.

With the possible exception of Biden (I don't know), every candidate in this election is morally opposed to homosexuality and have been in a church that said something negative about it, but none of them want it illegal, so it shouldn't really matter.

Fine, I'll concede gay bashing, was a poor choice of words

If you're using her church as an example, then I guess we better pull Rev. Wright out of hiding, eh?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="psn_Jaimzl"][QUOTE="paradigm68"]

lol, I love the results of the poll currently

Biden 85% 40 votes Palin 15% 7 votes

mfacek

GS renamed Bidenspot imo

shows she has no knowledge of what she is talking about and just saying what she was told to say

I have a problem with her being scripted. Her consultants, anaylsts and speech writers write her scripts and answers, not her. When she gives scripted answers, it's not her talking or answering the question. Therefore, what's the point of the debate? If it was up to me, the canidates wouldn't get any questions in advance.

i approve but it would be a much longer debate

I have a problem with her being scripted. Her consultants, anaylsts and speech writers write her scripts and answers, not her. When she gives scripted answers, it's not her talking or answering the question. Therefore, what's the point of the debate? If it was up to me, the canidates wouldn't get any questions in advance.

mfacek

Err no politician goes out on stage without a "script" some just sound less scripted than others

I have a problem with her being scripted. Her consultants, anaylsts and speech writers write her scripts and answers, not her. When she gives scripted answers, it's not her talking or answering the question. Therefore, what's the point of the debate? If it was up to me, the canidates wouldn't get any questions in advance.mfacek

Palin is a weirdo..
The moderator asked her a simple question "So you and biden agree on that?"
Then palin says "You asked him if he doesn't approve of that and he said yes and I do agree with him on that"

What the heck is wrong with this woman?? The way she stares into the camera really creeps me out..

I don't know what is more suprising, the fact that stubborn Americans voted Bush back into office for a second term, or the fact that some americans are now backing the candidate whose policies most resemble Bush (McCain) And I don't think I've ever seen Sarah Palin answer a tough question on the spot, at least straightforwardly.

Gams and Gammer FTW

Some wars just cannot be won plz give up in iraq already there was almost no point in invading thempsn_Jaimzl

[QUOTE="HiResDes"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="HiResDes"]

And yes she is a gay basher, anybody that joins a pray away the gay evangelical church is a gay basher IMO.

BioShockOwnz

She has never, ever, at any point, said anything remotely anti-gay.

With the possible exception of Biden (I don't know), every candidate in this election is morally opposed to homosexuality and have been in a church that said something negative about it, but none of them want it illegal, so it shouldn't really matter.

Fine, I'll concede gay bashing, was a poor choice of words

If you're using her church as an example, then I guess we better pull Rev. Wright out of hiding, eh?

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"][QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="lilburtonboy748"]

ROFL

how exactly is tax dodging unpatriotic???

lilburtonboy748

Becuase you aren't giving money to the government. The same government that protects you, gives you your rights, gaurentees your safety with funding for police and firefighters, and educates your kids. That's why dodging taxes is unpatriotic.

so keeping what you have without it being stolen is unpatriotic?

you assume those services require theft.

Stolen? Theft? You pay the due for LIVING in the country, if you don't like it.. You leave it, its as simple as that. Better yet lets cut off all services from you, including you can't use roads, public facilities, police department, fire department, forage your own food sense numerous services protect you from dangerous foods..

If you think its stealing, then guess what.. You can leave the country, no one is stopping you from that.. But good luck TRYING to find a nation that does not tax you.

wait....what? so the country owns this land? not the people? so i should be a slave to the country? who is the country composed of?

since it's not stealing...consider this syllogism

theft is taking someone's property without consent

taxation is taking someone's property without consent

taxation is theft

Are you a christian?

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

[QUOTE="HiResDes"]Palin= Most annoying, over-enunciating, flip-flopping, gay bashing, soccer mom-neo-conservative of all time.HiResDes

Over-enunciating... her accent perhaps?

flipflopping... where?

... Haven't seen any gay bashing from her

hockey mom ;)

She's a lot more conservative than most Republicans today

soccer mom is just a loose phrase to describe the prototypical middle class conservative mother, jeez.

And yes she is a gay basher, anybody that joins a pray away the gay evangelical church is a gay basher IMO.

ANd yes she is a flip-flopper, she's changed her stance on foreign policy several times, the bridge to nowhere, offshore drilling, and she once use to be a moderate Catholic.

And yes she over-enunciates, and no it is not part of her accent...SHe acts as if she needs to talk like that because we are all dense, as if she has to slow things down for the stupid average american

Maybe it is you that has no idea what he's talking about.

BTW, do you even know what neoconservativism is? WHat the hell are you talking about?

Neoconservatism is a right-wing political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of the social liberalism, moral relativism, and New Left counterculture of the 1960s. In United States, they align themselves with most conservative values, such as free market, limited welfare, and traditional cultural values. Their key distinction is on international affairs; they prefer a proactive approach internationally that would protect the national interests.

I guess Barrack Obama is a racist, America hater? She talks at a decent pace, she's not slowing down anything.