Violent Protests in the UK

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

Different societies. I'd be mad if my school fees raised to!

If my university fees were raised significantly, I wouldn't mind it if they lynched the head of the uni.

The problem is, they were promised tuition fees would not be raised, and they were. While that doesn't warrant throwing a heavy object off a building and into a group of policemen, it does warrant protests by pissed off uni students.

It might be just the meaning behind it not necessarily the small increase and if the government does it once whats stopping them from doing it again. I have no idea on this particular one though as I'm an American but I think this is generally how it works or at least that is what I think.

The students in CA had a violent protest because the state raised their tuition fees.

People need to understand the government can't provide for everything.

The students in CA had a violent protest because the state raised their tuition fees.

People need to understand the government can't provide for everything.

airshocker

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

argetlam00

The mere fact that they had to raise tuition seems to contradict your statement.

I don't see the most liberal state in the union raising it's tuition fees because they just want to make money.

Unless you have some proof, I'll stand by my assessment.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

The students in CA had a violent protest because the state raised their tuition fees.

People need to understand the government can't provide for everything.

argetlam00

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

The mere fact that they raise tuition accounts for nothing more than the university being greedy and wanting more money. I honestly need proof of that? What you think a university is? It is basically a business yet one that is also supposed to care for its community, not only for the pockets of the heads.

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

The students in CA had a violent protest because the state raised their tuition fees.

People need to understand the government can't provide for everything.

l4dak47

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

Can you show me evidence of california universities clearly struggling with providing important services to their students? If it is a clear case that they need more funding then I guess tuition should be raised. But all the cases I have seen have never been like that. They were always the university tricking its community, etc. Basically doing anything it can to leech more money.

unrest in europe what else is new.

You want violent protests, you look to the closing of the coal mines and the poll tax in the 80s.

These protests might be a bit excessive, but at least it indicates that some are politically involved and aren't complacent enough to just take everything the government forces on them.

The mere fact that they raise tuition accounts for nothing more than the university being greedy and wanting more money. I honestly need proof of that? What you think a university is? It is basically a business yet one that is also supposed to care for its community, not only for the pockets of the heads.

argetlam00

Yes, you do need proof. With the rest of the state bankrupt, what the hell do you think is going to happen?

Sorry, I don't think something is evil and greedy when I also see everything else in the state suffering for money. It's perfectly reasonable to raise tuition fees in order to fill the budget gap.

That's the conservatives for ya

The mere fact that they raise tuition accounts for nothing more than the university being greedy and wanting more money. I honestly need proof of that? What you think a university is? It is basically a business yet one that is also supposed to care for its community, not only for the pockets of the heads.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="argetlam00"]

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

argetlam00

Can you show me evidence of california universities clearly struggling with providing important services to their students? If it is a clear case that they need more funding then I guess tuition should be raised. But all the cases I have seen have never been like that. They were always the university tricking its community, etc. Basically doing anything it can to leech more money.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

The mere fact that they raise tuition accounts for nothing more than the university being greedy and wanting more money. I honestly need proof of that? What you think a university is? It is basically a business yet one that is also supposed to care for its community, not only for the pockets of the heads.

airshocker

Yes, you do need proof. With the rest of the state bankrupt, what the hell do you think is going to happen?

Sorry, I don't think something is evil and greedy when I also see everything else in the state suffering for money. It's perfectly reasonable to raise tuition fees in order to fill the budget gap.

So what? Just because some business struggled in the recession doesn't mean that the university did. Unless, of course, it provides undeniable proof of that before raising tuition fees. Anything less than that is simply being greedy.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

The mere fact that they raise tuition accounts for nothing more than the university being greedy and wanting more money. I honestly need proof of that? What you think a university is? It is basically a business yet one that is also supposed to care for its community, not only for the pockets of the heads.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] In California? Hah, no, not at all. Financially speaking, California is in really bad shape. Besides, college is not a given right. l4dak47

Can you show me evidence of california universities clearly struggling with providing important services to their students? If it is a clear case that they need more funding then I guess tuition should be raised. But all the cases I have seen have never been like that. They were always the university tricking its community, etc. Basically doing anything it can to leech more money.

lmao, states can raise fee's in the US? Interesting. Aren't universities seperate from the government?

So what? Just because some business struggled in the recession doesn't mean that the university did. Unless, of course, it provides undeniable proof of that before raising tuition fees. Anything less than that is simply being greedy.

argetlam00

Do you have any idea what's going on in California right now? I'm not talking about businesses. I'm talking about the STATE ITSELF struggling for money. They have a 18 billion dollar budget deficit. That means they don't have the money to pay for all the things on their budget. Students aren't the only people living in CA.

Universities aren't being greedy. They're trying to survive.

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

halo1399

I don't see what the problems is, if tuition fees had been that high when i was considering college/uni, I wouldn't have gone for either, and would be in a much better situation; there are so many people with similar qualifications applying for the same few jobs the only thing that really matters is work experience. The number of people applying needs to be significantly reduced anyway.

"A car containing Prince Charles and Camilla has been attacked by protesters in central London, in violent scenes after MPs voted to raise tuition fees in England to up to £9,000 per year."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11954333

Another successful 'peaceful protest' :roll:

The protesters have the right idea but i want them to increase their intensity, they are not doing very much action-wise. There has to be some action out there that allows you to get your own way 100% of the time.

The protesters have the right idea but i want them to increase their intensity, they are not doing very much action-wise. There has to be some action out there that allows you to get your own way 100% of the time.

Scr00I

I can see why the students are protesting, but the violence is excessive and doesn't accomplish anything. Much more has been achieved without violence. This just makes them look desperate.

I can see why the students are protesting, but the violence is excessive and doesn't accomplish anything. Much more has been achieved without violence. This just makes them look desperate.

Film-Guy

The UK should protest against the protesters! :o Wilfred_Owen

I can see why the students are protesting, but the violence is excessive and doesn't accomplish anything. Much more has been achieved without violence. This just makes them look desperate.

Film-Guy

well I would be pissed too if my tuition fees went up 300%

[QUOTE="Wilfred_Owen"]The UK should protest against the protesters! :o hesel

I can see why the students are protesting, but the violence is excessive and doesn't accomplish anything. Much more has been achieved without violence. This just makes them look desperate.

Film-Guy

That is what tends to happen sadly. There is usually a group of idiots who start violence and then it just builds in intensity until it can't be controlled. It makes the students look worse, and it doesn't do anything other than hurt people.

The main issue here is that Liberal Democrat MPs, including Nick Clegg, actually signed an election pledge to the National Union of Students that they would oppose any rise in any tuition fees. It's been one of the most fundamental ideals of the party's manifesto for years to completely abolish tuition fees. Then, as soon as they get into power, the majority of them vote to triple the fees.

The violence is deplorable. It achieves nothing, and it's clear that some protesters (probably not even students) went to London with the specific intent on causing violence, and they deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law and possibly even excluded from University. But I fully support what they are protesting against, and I condemn the government for what they're doing, particularly the Liberal Democrats.

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Then we would need to protest against the protesters who are protesting against the other protesters.

The main reason for the riots is because the Lib Dems said they wouldn't raise fees, and vote against the rise in fees. Nick Clegg gets a bit of power with his mate David Cameron, and basically goes "But the Liberal Democrats did not win the election.". Then doesn't have the balls to stand up for what he said about fees.

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I can see why the students are protesting, but the violence is excessive and doesn't accomplish anything. Much more has been achieved without violence. This just makes them look desperate.

Film-Guy

That is what tends to happen sadly. There is usually a group of idiots who start violence and then it just builds in intensity until it can't be controlled. It makes the students look worse, and it doesn't do anything other than hurt people.

Tbh if there weren't people who took over the conservative party headquarters I doubt this would have gotten so much attention. I would rather it be like this than just be forgotten all together

Peaceful protests are a thing of the past. Governments are now blatantly **** the people over more than ever. I don't call it violence if it's self denfense, I call it intelligence.

Let em' ave it stoodents!!!

Waaahh waaah waaah, I actuallly have to pay for my own college (an investment in MYSELF), waaah waah waahh. My god, this entitlement crap is getting ridiculous. They're making themselves look childish. Throwing tantrums over having to provide for yourself. What a joke.

Waaahh waaah waaah, I actuallly have to pay for my own college (an investment in MYSELF), waaah waah waahh. My god, this entitlement crap is getting ridiculous. They're making themselves look childish. Throwing tantrums over having to provide for yourself. What a joke.

SpartanMSU

Different country ... Different expectations.

Americans would cry a thousand tears if they werent allowed to buy ridiculous amounts of guns. Yet ... we seems fine with that.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

The students in CA had a violent protest because the state raised their tuition fees.

People need to understand the government can't provide for everything.

argetlam00

The university is fully able to provide for their students. They just want to make some more $$$$$$$. They accept more than they can cope than raise fees almost on purpose. Heck, sometimes they raise them for no reason at all.

Uh huh, yes. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with reduction in funding from the state. :roll:

Oh well, the government's paying for my tuition fees and books.

I feel sorry for the Lib Dems, they have ruined any chance they had left of ever being elected, they promised to lower the fee's but instead they just bend overfor the tory's and tripple it.

I didn't expect anything else from the conservatives, I have no idea why anyone voted for them.

I'm sure that sucks for those in the UK. Things are run differently there, and they are very dependent on lower education costs. That said, I think violent protests rarely produce anything positive.

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

halo1399

So instead of respecting its people, our government gives over £80,000,000 to a country that doesn't want to be affiliated with us, then decides to screw us over by raising our price of higher education, the people that they are screwing over are the people that voted this government in.

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

halo1399

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Waaahh waaah waaah, I actuallly have to pay for my own college (an investment in MYSELF), waaah waah waahh. My god, this entitlement crap is getting ridiculous. They're making themselves look childish. Throwing tantrums over having to provide for yourself. What a joke.

-Snooze-

Different country ... Different expectations.

Americans would cry a thousand tears if they werent allowed to buy ridiculous amounts of guns. Yet ... we seems fine with that.

1) Being able to buy guns has nothing to do with entitlements...In the UKs case, the government is reducing handouts, in you're hypothetical case, the US is disregarding a constitutional right. Completely different.

2) Regardless, I didn't mention Americans in my post so...yeaaah...

[QUOTE="halo1399"]

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

OBLOK

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

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[QUOTE="halo1399"]

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

SpartanMSU

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

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[QUOTE="OBLOK"]wow lol i never thought the day would come that people would be greatfull for paying more money for something that is a lot cheaper elsewhere, and think that it is ok to work for an extra 2 years of their life :lol:

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

OBLOK

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]

[QUOTE="halo1399"]

Brits need to learn that the government can't always hold there hand with everything, my tuition for college is much, much more expensive than what the British Parliament is raising it to, these protests are getting extremely violent and to be honest I think its hysterical. Same thing with France, they raised the retirement age 2 years and people try and overthrow the government...Thank God I live in the US

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...

[QUOTE="OBLOK"]wow lol i never thought the day would come that people would be greatfull for paying more money for something that is a lot cheaper elsewhere, and think that it is ok to work for an extra 2 years of their life :lol:

Maybee its the US that needs to learn from the British and the French.

God forbid he actually would rather work for his education than take someone else's money for it...