War between North America and Europe

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#251 savebattery
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The US has the Macho Man Randy Savage. I don't think anyone in Europe could stand up to that level of awesomeness.
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#252 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Give me some examples of this "way superior tech". Provide several to back up your claim... because I think it's bull ****

jimmyjammer69

JSM Only stealth missile in the world

Challenger 2

Eurofighter Typhoon

Leopard 2A6

Sukhoi Su-34

Sukhoi Su-35

Archer Artillery system

NASAM

Skjold ****stealth torpedo patrol boat

Fridtjof Nansen ****frigate

Astute ****sub

Queen Elizabeth ****aircraft carrier

Just to name some of the tech that Europe has been building.

has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.

Built is correct. My point was that this is tech that rivals or surpasses what the US has. It isn't like we are stone age people over here, unlike what some US citizens on these boards seem to think. :P

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#253 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]

JSM Only stealth missile in the world

Challenger 2

Eurofighter Typhoon

Leopard 2A6

Sukhoi Su-34

Sukhoi Su-35

Archer Artillery system

NASAM

Skjold ****stealth torpedo patrol boat

Fridtjof Nansen ****frigate

Astute ****sub

Queen Elizabeth ****aircraft carrier

Just to name some of the tech that Europe has been building.

trasherhead

has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.

Built is correct. My point was that this is tech that rivals or surpasses what the US has. It isn't like we are stone age people over here, unlike what some US citizens on these boards seem to think. :P

Yah lol, I know what you mean. Just wanted to be sure you weren't suggesting a closet arms race.
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#254 trasherhead
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I do find it funny that, those who say US yet have given any evidence to WHY the mighty US army would win. All they seem to do is argue that the US didn't LOSE the Vietnam war. Not losing and not achieving the goal, stop communism, is just a matter of definition. The US did not win either way to turn it. Also I haven't seen any argument against the fact that Europe has a military force much bigger then what NA has. But no, the "we are best nananananaa" argument trumps everything... /sarcasm
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#255 surrealnumber5
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I do find it funny that, those who say US yet have given any evidence to WHY the mighty US army would win. All they seem to do is argue that the US didn't LOSE the Vietnam war. Not losing and not achieving the goal, stop communism, is just a matter of definition. The US did not win either way to turn it. Also I haven't seen any argument against the fact that Europe has a military force much bigger then what NA has. But no, the "we are best nananananaa" argument trumps everything... /sarcasm trasherhead
i was thinking this post to be mighty ill-informed till i saw the sarcasm thing
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#256 Wolls
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China are the real winners here
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#257 trasherhead
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China are the real winners here Wolls
And thats the only unbeatable truth in this thread. They have the money and they have the tech. Give them 10 more years and they will be the largest economy and the greatest military power.
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#258 redstorm72
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Europe would obviously win, they have legions of rude, snobbish French people equipped with deadly Croissant's and condecending remarks.

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#259 taterfrickintot
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] Give me some examples of this "way superior tech". Provide several to back up your claim... because I think it's bull ****

jimmyjammer69

JSM Only stealth missile in the worldi admit, you have that

Challenger 2way too expensive. couldnt be mass produved enough. it would be like the tiget in WWII would also get destroyed by javelins

Eurofighter Typhoonf22 raptor owns it.

Leopard 2A6m1 abrams owns it. would get destroyed by javelins too.

Sukhoi Su-34f22 raptor owns it

Sukhoi Su-35f22 raptor owns it

Archer Artillery systemi admit you have that.

NASAMRIM-161

Skjold ****stealth torpedo patrol boat you have that...

Fridtjof Nansen ****frigatedont even try to compare norwiegan navy to american.

Astute ****subVirginia ****sub or seawolf ****/p>

Queen Elizabeth ****aircraft carrier:lol: nimitz ****/p>

Just to name some of the tech that Europe has been building.

has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.

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#260 dercoo
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]

JSM Only stealth missile in the worldi admit, you have that

Challenger 2way too expensive. couldnt be mass produved enough. it would be like the tiget in WWII would also get destroyed by javelins

Eurofighter Typhoonf22 raptor owns it.

Leopard 2A6m1 abrams owns it. would get destroyed by javelins too.

Sukhoi Su-34f22 raptor owns it

Sukhoi Su-35f22 raptor owns it

Archer Artillery systemi admit you have that.

NASAMRIM-161

Skjold ****stealth torpedo patrol boat you have that...

Fridtjof Nansen ****frigatedont even try to compare norwiegan navy to american.

Astute ****subVirginia ****sub or seawolf ****/p>

Queen Elizabeth ****aircraft carrier:lol: nimitz ****/p>

Just to name some of the tech that Europe has been building.

taterfrickintot

has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.

edits*

There is truth in these edits.

Seriously the Elizabeth clas s carriers are still small potatoes compared to a US nuclear carrier.

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#261 BigBoss255
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Europe has the Spartans, we win.
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#262 Evolution-X0
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Europe obviously. US citizens spend more time in MCdonalds than on the field, nuff' said.mrbojangles25

Huh?

I think he is implying that America is full of nothing but obese people that eat nothing but McDonalds, so we are incapable of doing any physical activity (such as fighting a war), despite the fact we win more medals in the Olympics than any other country.

Damn you, McDonalds!

:roll:

McDonalds is a source of power! This changes everything!

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#263 edgewalker16
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]

JSM Only stealth missile in the worldi admit, you have that

Challenger 2way too expensive. couldnt be mass produved enough. it would be like the tiget in WWII would also get destroyed by javelins

Eurofighter Typhoonf22 raptor owns it.

Leopard 2A6m1 abrams owns it. would get destroyed by javelins too.

Sukhoi Su-34f22 raptor owns it

Sukhoi Su-35f22 raptor owns it

Archer Artillery systemi admit you have that.

NASAMRIM-161

Skjold ****stealth torpedo patrol boat you have that...

Fridtjof Nansen ****frigatedont even try to compare norwiegan navy to american.

Astute ****subVirginia ****sub or seawolf ****/p>

Queen Elizabeth ****aircraft carrier:lol: nimitz ****/p>

Just to name some of the tech that Europe has been building.

taterfrickintot

has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.

Do you think Europe has been hiding under a rock? I'd bet dollars to donuts that they have their own version of the Javelin. Just because the US version of the weapon is the only type you're aware of (probably thanks to CoD) doesn't mean other versions don't exist. Also, any jet is only as good as its pilot. An F-22 could probably beat a Sukhoi on paper quite easily...that doesn't mean jack **** in the stratosphere.

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#264 Treflis
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This thread is so soaked in US patriotism that it seems to be leacking out from my screen.
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#265 luamhtrad
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I'll just leave this here.

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#266 jimmyjammer69
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I'll just leave this here.

luamhtrad

I can't find yourup on the list :?

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#267 Evolution-X0
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China are the real winners here Wolls
Indeed, but thats a totally different matter. America already wins becuase of its huge cultural influences. Europe is too attached to America to even rage war against them.
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#268 luamhtrad
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[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

I'll just leave this here.

jimmyjammer69

I can't find yourup on the list :?

Nice commitment. :roll:

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#269 htekemerald
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The last time a European nation engaged in open warefare on North American soil the American whitehouse was burned to the ground. I'd image the result of a modern would be similar.

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#270 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

I'll just leave this here.

luamhtrad

I can't find yourup on the list :?

Nice commitment. :roll:

I am a massive hypocrite, I admit that. But what's that got to do with my post?
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#271 luamhtrad
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[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I can't find yourup on the list :?

jimmyjammer69

Nice commitment. :roll:

I am a massive hypocrite, I admit that. But what's that got to do with my post?

Disruptive posts are disruptive?

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#272 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

Nice commitment. :roll:

luamhtrad

I am a massive hypocrite, I admit that. But what's that got to do with my post?

Disruptive posts are disruptive?

I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it without the weak attempt at humour, so you can see why it's not merely disruptive postin: Your list shows the United States at the top, but it doesn't give any indication as to the combined firepower of Europe (like in the thread title), instead listing individual European nations.
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#273 gugler990
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Hands down Europe, They have all the steel and gun powder America has nothing but sticks and Stones the only thing that can last in a war is the Aztecs but they wont win.

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#274 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I am a massive hypocrite, I admit that. But what's that got to do with my post?jimmyjammer69

Disruptive posts are disruptive?

I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it without the weak attempt at humour, so you can see why it's not merely disruptive postin: Your list shows the United States at the top, but it doesn't give any indication as to the combined firepower of Europe (like in the thread title), instead listing individual European nations.

If someone wants to add up every European nation (including non-EU states) then that'd be fun :P
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#275 luamhtrad
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[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I am a massive hypocrite, I admit that. But what's that got to do with my post?jimmyjammer69

Disruptive posts are disruptive?

I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it without the weak attempt at humour, so you can see why it's not merely disruptive postin: Your list shows the United States at the top, but it doesn't give any indication as to the combined firepower of Europe (like in the thread title), instead listing individual European nations.

I'm sorry. Is your calculator broken? Feel free to tally the categories for both Europe and North America (yes, including Canada and Mexico) and you'll see that most of the numbers thrown out on this thread are a little less than accurate.

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#276 EmpCom
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[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I love people who say things like this. Read up on how special forces have done head to head, you might be surprised where the US special forces tend to place :)blue_hazy_basic

This.

SAS is probably one of the best militarily trained forces in history.

The SAS is quite good, I understated that, but U.S. special forces are much much better than apparently you guys realize. Saying American forces are crap is tantamount to saying the Mexican Army is the best in the world.

The U.S. Air Force is the best trained and best equipped in the World and the U.S. Navy also ranks as the best.

So, I'm still wondering how anyone can even think Europe could invade North America (keeping in mind Canada and Mexico are Allies as stated by TC).

Europe has zero chance of being able to successfully invade North America. So you can rule that out.

The big question is.....can North America take out Europe, without including Russia, no question about it.

Including Russia....not sure, possibly not.

Wrong the us wouldnt have a chance invading europe. Seriously this topic is full off arm chair generals with no idea about the logistics involved in mounting an invasion ( look at the logistics involved invading iraq) let alone europe.
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#277 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

Disruptive posts are disruptive?

Ravensmash

I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it without the weak attempt at humour, so you can see why it's not merely disruptive postin: Your list shows the United States at the top, but it doesn't give any indication as to the combined firepower of Europe (like in the thread title), instead listing individual European nations.

If someone wants to add up every European nation (including non-EU states) then that'd be fun :P

Absolutely. We could maybe get that done by 2012 if we hire the OTcars talliers. :P

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#278 Communist_Soul
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Europe would cut off Oil supplies from the middle east, no oil = no fuel, no fuel means u cant mobilize ur army

it would render the military useless... unless of course they act fast and take over ASAP, Navy and AF are vastly superior maybe they can, who knows!!

Whatuptho

Currently Canada supplies the most oil to the U.S in the world.

Anyways, North America would destroy Europe. The U.S Navy would crush all other Navies. Same with the Airfroce. After total domination on sea and in the air ground troops will go in and kick ass.

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#280 Ravensmash
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[QUOTE="Whatuptho"]

Europe would cut off Oil supplies from the middle east, no oil = no fuel, no fuel means u cant mobilize ur army

it would render the military useless... unless of course they act fast and take over ASAP, Navy and AF are vastly superior maybe they can, who knows!!

Communist_Soul

Currently Canada supplies the most oil to the U.S in the world.

Anyways, North America would destroy Europe. The U.S Navy would crush all other Navies. Same with the Airfroce. After total domination on sea and in the air ground troops will go in and kick ass.

Yeah...something tells me it wouldn't work like you'd think.
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#281 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

Disruptive posts are disruptive?

luamhtrad

I'm sorry. I'll rephrase it without the weak attempt at humour, so you can see why it's not merely disruptive postin: Your list shows the United States at the top, but it doesn't give any indication as to the combined firepower of Europe (like in the thread title), instead listing individual European nations.

I'm sorry. Is your calculator broken? Feel free to tally the categories for both Europe and North America (yes, including Canada and Mexico) and you'll see that most of the numbers thrown out on this thread are a little less than accurate.

So how about you: 1) add them up with your own calculator; 2)learn to quote the person (along with the illusive figures) you're actually disputing; 3)stop being such an unnecessarily combatitive jerk.
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#282 Broken_K
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Hmm, well North America unless Russia was involved on the European side. If Russia was involved it would be a hard prediction considering their massive numbers.

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#283 luamhtrad
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So how about you: 1) add them up with your own calculator; 2)learn to quote the person (along with the illusive figures) you're actually disputing; 3)stop being such an unnecessarily combatitive jerk.jimmyjammer69

1) No. I was just providing facts. 2) I did quote the person I wanted to. 3) The thread is about combat. Me being a jerk is just your opinion.

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#284 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="horgen123"]Does is include Russia or not? Pirate700

Russia's power comes from nukes. The TC said none of those.

no, they have a huge terrain advantage, if russia would be in, I wouldnt assure that europe would win...but neither will america...
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#285 LordAbyssion
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Where exactly would the americans invade europe? Portugal? Or would they just land in germany and take a few seaps to berlin? Or would they fly west over the pacific ocean until west becomes east, land in ukraine and attack from behind?
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#286 Ravensmash
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Where exactly would the americans invade europe? Portugal? Or would they just land in germany and take a few seaps to berlin? Or would they fly west over the pacific ocean until west becomes east, land in ukraine and attack from behind?LordAbyssion
This. Not to mention the massive morale boost that Europe would have by having 50 countries over 3.
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#287 sonofsmeagle
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just my 2cents but due to my extensive knoledge of world militaries from wikepedia and the Discovery channel :)

I'd say that the Europeans would win, ok the battle for the atlantic would be about 3:1 in favor for the US, i mean be honest guys the US air force and Navy would cream the Europeans if they focused all their navy and air force on the Atlantic, however if they didnt and had it spread around the world like it is today you could call it 1:1.

Just look at the European theatre, their only exit/entrance to europe is pretty much the Atlantic Ocean so most of their navys and air forces would be situated there straight away, so it would be pretty even but lets say that the US comes out on top with heavy losses which is logical even if it was 3:1 odds.

They'd invade Europe next by land, and this isnt going to be against some poorley led Iraq army that has about the same amount of Morale as Leo in the Departed. These guys are going to be fighting for something more important than making sure Osama doesnt get out of his cave, their going to be fighting for their countries survival and the freedom of their parents,their children and all their loved ones and their fellow country men.

US would take Ireland and the west coast of france pretty easy but once they get into the thick of the countries they are going to be met with huge restistance, especially in France their going to be having most of the french attacking them from everywhere, and this isnt going to some small force of a few divisions fighting guerilla war(well plus that) its going to be over 600,000 french trained soldiers, plus a crap load of angry civilians with croisont grenades.

And thats just the French, we're not including the Dutch,belgians,Germans,Italians,Danes, ect.

Now lets go to England, The US will want to take that pretty dam fast if they ever want to take mainland europe, The British navy and Airforce isnt as large as the US's but once again it's going to come to fighting on the ground and that where i see them losing, no offence but attacking Britain,Scotland and Wales by land will be like the Vietnam war (minus the jungles plus the hugely more advanced and equiped armys) and i cant see the US bombing the Crap outa the UK because thats bad for publicity.

Oh and did i forget to mention all the Norwegians,Swedes,Finnish and possibley a few Russians helping out Britain?

Ok so lets go to the Eastern front, The US's 1st major concern over there would be to take the Middle East, But lets not forget how freaken Close the Russians are to the Middle East and the fact that they can get there by land as apposed to the US and Canada that have to get there by Sea and Air, and its not just the Russians who will be able to pour into there it will be the rest of the European countires that arnt involved in the rest of the war Poland,Hungary,Greece,Turkey,Ukraine ect.

And people will say that the US air force will destroy every1 in the Middle East, well its certainley not going to destroy them but it sure as hell will be a pain in the but while it lasts over there.

The Middle East i say has an advantage to the Europeans due to how close they are and the fact that Russia can pour huge amounts of troops into there in a short amount of time beleive it or not, and even if the US are winning there then you can count on the Spetnaz to blow up every oil rig in sight.

Overall in my opinion and as every1 else seems to be saying their opinions because no1 here is a General lol i think the US will win the War for the 1st few years but eventually its going to be a War of attrician and as the years role by the US is going to be pushed out of europe the Europeans are going to re stabilise their navys and air force and you can probably count on them trying to make an invasion on US soil after about 15 years of global fighting but it will be pushed back and then there will be a cease fire and every1 will lose cause China wil have been waiting.

But then again guys, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN

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#288 Big_Pecks
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US = North America.

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#289 bigM10231
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1 emp can make the US instantly win since most military equipment is electronic and they will go down permanently after one, europe wont have a chance. europe is the size of north america and a 300 mile high emp will wipe out 90% of europes electronics permanently

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#290 Overlord93
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1 emp can make the US instantly win since most military equipment is electronic and they will go down permanently after one, europe wont have a chance. europe is the size of north america and a 300 mile high emp will wipe out 90% of europes electronics permanently

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>_> so surely...that cuts both ways?
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#291 N7v1K0
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1 emp can make the US instantly win since most military equipment is electronic and they will go down permanently after one, europe wont have a chance. europe is the size of north america and a 300 mile high emp will wipe out 90% of europes electronics permanently

bigM10231

Ok, but Europe could do the same to the US, so what's your point exactly? :P

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#292 bigM10231
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[QUOTE="bigM10231"]

1 emp can make the US instantly win since most military equipment is electronic and they will go down permanently after one, europe wont have a chance. europe is the size of north america and a 300 mile high emp will wipe out 90% of europes electronics permanently

N7v1K0

Ok, but Europe could do the same to the US, so what's your point exactly? :P

the US has more experience with it and has more of it

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#293 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="N7v1K0"]

[QUOTE="bigM10231"]

1 emp can make the US instantly win since most military equipment is electronic and they will go down permanently after one, europe wont have a chance. europe is the size of north america and a 300 mile high emp will wipe out 90% of europes electronics permanently

bigM10231

Ok, but Europe could do the same to the US, so what's your point exactly? :P

the US has more experience with it and has more of it

Takes a lot of experience to deploy an emp. And who cares if they have more, you just said one will suffice. Lol.

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#294 Gallion-Beast
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Your victory conditions sound more like a game than a war. I don't know enough about America to know the military significance of Chicago, but I certainly don't see how losing Berlin would effect all the countries that aren't Europe. I mean surely Russia would be the most significant target, not Germany.
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#295 Teenaged
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Europe will win obviously.

Before the invasion begins we will make an EMP attack! Yeah! Our all time favourite.

First we will launch an assualt with stealth aircraft fighters that are undetected by any radar IN THE WORLD!!!

But that will be the diversion, because next we will launch 10 nuclear missiles from our ultra top-secret base on Ibiza.

But that will be just a diversion, because next we will turn on our steamy, gigantic, shocking plasma cannon poking the sky like a skyscraper that will shoot spurts of milky white ionised light that melts everything it touches.

[spoiler] And then this thread was a Command & Conquer dejavu. [/spoiler]

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#296 coltsfan4ever
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United States

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#297 Aux99
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europe

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#298 jimmyjammer69
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...next we will turn on our steamy, gigantic, shocking plasma cannon poking the sky like a skyscraper that will shoot spurts of milky white ionised light that melts everything it touches

Teenaged

I knew it was a mistake to let the Greeks control our arms spending for operation Eagle Down.

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#299 Wings_008
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the US navy with it;s fleet of carriers would greatly help the invasion of Europe, so i say the US would win
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#300 auron_16
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Europe has Belgium.Europe wins.

Fear us.Obey us.

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Yeah, fair point. They control the chawclat!