War between North America and Europe

This is relevant to many posts I see in this topic.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]

JSM Only stealth missile in the world

Challenger 2

Eurofighter Typhoon

Leopard 2A6

Sukhoi Su-34

Sukhoi Su-35

Archer Artillery system

NASAM

Skjold ****stealth torpedo patrol boat

Fridtjof Nansen ****frigate

Astute ****sub

Queen Elizabeth ****aircraft carrier

Just to name some of the tech that Europe has been building.

trasherhead

Built is correct. My point was that this is tech that rivals or surpasses what the US has.It isn't like we are stone age people over here, unlike what some US citizens on these boards seem to think. :P

:lol: surely you jest

I don't think you are stone age people there, but you definitely have INFERIOR technology and INFERIOR Air Force and Navy in Europe.

Nice try though ;)

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]

has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.jimmyjammer69

Built is correct. My point was that this is tech that rivals or surpasses what the US has.It isn't like we are stone age people over here, unlike what some US citizens on these boards seem to think. :P

:lol: surely you jest

I don't think you are stone age people there, but you definitely have INFERIOR technology and INFERIOR Air Force and Navy in Europe.

Nice try though ;)

I do find it funny that, those who say US yet have given any evidence to WHY the mighty US army would win. All they seem to do is argue that the US didn't LOSE the Vietnam war. Not losing and not achieving the goal, stop communism, is just a matter of definition. The US did not win either way to turn it. Also I haven't seen any argument against the fact that Europe has a military force much bigger then what NA has. But no, the "we are best nananananaa" argument trumps everything... /sarcasm trasherhead

I simply don't want to go into a long diatribe about why NORTH AMERICA (if you clowns can read, TC includes Canada and Mexico as U.S. Allies) could not be invaded. Simply look it up yourself.

The European Union could effectively be beaten by the 3 countries mentioned as a North American Alliance.

Are you guys not familiar with U.S. Air Force and Navy superiority? Europe would never be able to set foot on North America if the U.S. prevents Europe from landing in Canada or Mexico, which it alone is quite capable of doing.

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]I do find it funny that, those who say US yet have given any evidence to WHY the mighty US army would win. All they seem to do is argue that the US didn't LOSE the Vietnam war. Not losing and not achieving the goal, stop communism, is just a matter of definition. The US did not win either way to turn it. Also I haven't seen any argument against the fact that Europe has a military force much bigger then what NA has. But no, the "we are best nananananaa" argument trumps everything... /sarcasm AFBrat77

I simply don't want to go into a long diatribe about why NORTH AMERICA (if you clowns can read, TC includes Canada and Mexico as U.S. Allies) could not be invaded. Simply look it up yourself.

The European Union could effectively be beaten by the 3 countries mentioned as a North American Alliance.

Are you guys not familiar with U.S. Air Force and Navy superiority? Europe would never be able to set foot on North America if the U.S. prevents Europe from landing in Canada or Mexico, which it alone is quite capable of doing.

I'll just leave this here.

luamhtrad

thats about right, interesting to see Mexico ahead of Canada ;)

Hmm, well North America unless Russia was involved on the European side. If Russia was involved it would be a hard prediction considering their massive numbers.

Broken_K

Agreed, I think North America can successfully invade the European Union, but if you add Russia to the mix (which is unfair anyways pitting like 20 or so countries against 3) they probably can't.

But there's no way the European Union with or without Russia can invade North America successfully.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

This.

SAS is probably one of the best militarily trained forces in history.

EmpCom

The SAS is quite good, I understated that, but U.S. special forces are much much better than apparently you guys realize. Saying American forces are crap is tantamount to saying the Mexican Army is the best in the world.

The U.S. Air Force is the best trained and best equipped in the World and the U.S. Navy also ranks as the best.

So, I'm still wondering how anyone can even think Europe could invade North America (keeping in mind Canada and Mexico are Allies as stated by TC).

Europe has zero chance of being able to successfully invade North America. So you can rule that out.

The big question is.....can North America take out Europe, without including Russia, no question about it.

Including Russia....not sure, possibly not.

...and you have just become one yourself with your comments, you have no idea one way or another.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

The SAS is quite good, I understated that, but U.S. special forces are much much better than apparently you guys realize. Saying American forces are crap is tantamount to saying the Mexican Army is the best in the world.

The U.S. Air Force is the best trained and best equipped in the World and the U.S. Navy also ranks as the best.

So, I'm still wondering how anyone can even think Europe could invade North America (keeping in mind Canada and Mexico are Allies as stated by TC).

Europe has zero chance of being able to successfully invade North America. So you can rule that out.

The big question is.....can North America take out Europe, without including Russia, no question about it.

Including Russia....not sure, possibly not.

...and you have just become one yourself with your comments, you have no idea one way or another.

It's funny because pages and pages of debate rely upon one thing, that Europe would all join forces and fight the US...

You all do know that will never happen. All of Europe won't back one cause, not in a million years.

Depends if "winning" is really just the US saying that they won when nothing was actually achieved (i.e the last war where no weapons of mass destruction as planned to be discovered, were actually found).

Where exactly would the americans invade europe? Portugal? Or would they just land in germany and take a few seaps to berlin? Or would they fly west over the pacific ocean until west becomes east, land in ukraine and attack from behind?LordAbyssion

If its just the European Union the staging area for American Army invasion can be from Turkey. Aircraft Carriers (and aircraft) would reign supreme along the European Atlantic Coast. U. S. Bases in Greenland can also field Stealth bombers and B-52 Stratofortress.

Even aging B-52H Stratofortress squadrons escorted by aging F-15 Eagles would prove more than a match for the Europeans. The F-15 Eagle is still unbeaten in combat, and it isn't even the near the best the U.S. has to offer.

But honestly the British would join the U.S. and Canada anyways, so there's the obvious staging ground for bombing raids.

Well we have Charlie Sheen. Hello you want winning?????

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] Wrong the us wouldnt have a chance invading europe. Seriouslythis topic is full off arm chair generals with no idea about the logistics involved in mounting an invasion ( look at the logistics involved invading iraq) let alone europe. EmpCom

...and you have just become one yourself with your comments, you have no idea one way or another.

I trust you know the reverse is true.

And those of you who keep pointing out Vietnam (where the U.S. left the war before NVA advanced on Saigon), I'd like to point out Russia's failed invasion of Afghanistan, a bordering country no less! Now that's pathetic.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

...and you have just become one yourself with your comments, you have no idea one way or another.

I trust you know the reverse is true.

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.edgewalker16

Do you think Europe has been hiding under a rock? I'd bet dollars to donuts that they have their own version of the Javelin. Just because the US version of the weapon is the only type you're aware of (probably thanks to CoD) doesn't mean other versions don't exist. Also, any jet is only as good as its pilot. An F-22 could probably beat a Sukhoi on paper quite easily...that doesn't mean jack **** in the stratosphere.

i didnt learn anything from CoD. i have wikipedia and youtube and the military channel to thank for that :P

in fact i often dis cod for its inaccurate portrail of weapons. especially blops. half the guns in that game werent even designed yet.

and american piolets are some of the, if not THE most experienced in the world. we have no lack of flying talent. american fighters have been destroying russian jets in dogfigts for years. there have beel VERY FEW american casualties do to dogfights.

Europe.

UK+Germany+France+Part of Russia > USA

Also, Canada would end up siding with the UK because.... the queen OWNS canada.. literally.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

...and you have just become one yourself with your comments, you have no idea one way or another.

I trust you know the reverse is true.

And those of you who keep pointing out Vietnam (where the U.S. left the war before NVA advanced on Saigon), I'd like to point out Russia's failed invasion of Afghanistan, a bordering country no less! Now that's pathetic.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] I know the us could never successfully invade europe or lets say russia on its own or china or even india for that matterEmpCom

I trust you know the reverse is true.

And those of you who keep pointing out Vietnam (where the U.S. left the war before NVA advanced on Saigon), I'd like to point out Russia's failed invasion of Afghanistan, a bordering country no less! Now that's pathetic.

They've already removed the Taliban from power in (I believe) 2 weeks with like a dozen commandos. It's possible the Taliban can retake as the U.S. withdraws, but even so.

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]has *built. These are completed accomplishments, not some emerging sinister plot.AFBrat77

Built is correct. My point was that this is tech that rivals or surpasses what the US has.It isn't like we are stone age people over here, unlike what some US citizens on these boards seem to think. :P

:lol: surely you jest

I don't think you are stone age people there, but you definitely have INFERIOR technology and INFERIOR Air Force and Navy in Europe.

Nice try though ;)

Europe.

UK+Germany+France+Part of Russia > USA

Also, Canada would end up siding with the UK because.... the queen OWNS canada.. literally.

Cheesehead9099

No, Britain would side with U.S. and Canada. Canada is in a bad position to battle the U.S. and ties between Canada and U.S. are very strong (despite how Canadians act in this forum). Britain is much more tightly allied to the U.S. than Europe when all is said and done, and with Canada as the U.S. ally, Britain comes over.

....and you just got to love it when you have to pit a bunch on nations together to actually beat one.

[QUOTE="EmpCom"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

I trust you know the reverse is true.

And those of you who keep pointing out Vietnam (where the U.S. left the war before NVA advanced on Saigon), I'd like to point out Russia's failed invasion of Afghanistan, a bordering country no less! Now that's pathetic.

They've already removed the Taliban from power in (I believe) 2 weeks with like a dozen commandos. It's possible the Taliban can retake as the U.S. withdraws, but even so.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="EmpCom"] The us aint doing much better in afghanistanEmpCom

They've already removed the Taliban from power in (I believe) 2 weeks with like a dozen commandos. It's possible the Taliban can retake as the U.S. withdraws, but even so.

I might be off with the numbers admittedly, but the Taliban was removed from power in a short period of time, in large part by U.S. special forces, although some other coalition forces contributed as well.

Pssh Great Britain couldn't even eliminate the 13 colonies. Get some.

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"]

Europe.

UK+Germany+France+Part of Russia > USA

Also, Canada would end up siding with the UK because.... the queen OWNS canada.. literally.

AFBrat77

No, Britain would side with U.S. and Canada. Canada is in a bad position to battle the U.S. and ties between Canada and U.S. are very strong (despite how Canadians act in this forum). Britain is much more tightly allied to the U.S. than Europe when all is said and done, and with Canada as the U.S. ally, Britain comes over.

....and you just got to love it when you have to pit a bunch on nations together to actually beat one.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"]

Europe.

UK+Germany+France+Part of Russia > USA

Also, Canada would end up siding with the UK because.... the queen OWNS canada.. literally.

Cheesehead9099

No, Britain would side with U.S. and Canada. Canada is in a bad position to battle the U.S. and ties between Canada and U.S. are very strong (despite how Canadians act in this forum). Britain is much more tightly allied to the U.S. than Europe when all is said and done, and with Canada as the U.S. ally, Britain comes over.

....and you just got to love it when you have to pit a bunch on nations together to actually beat one.

I think Britain would ditch the EU for U.S. and Canada........oh well, we'll never know.

In all fairness, I'm still not sure of the ties Britain has with Canada and Australia, and how much autonomy the latter countries have these days. I don't know exactly which countries (well some of them) are still considered British colonies and which have full independence.

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

No, Britain would side with U.S. and Canada. Canada is in a bad position to battle the U.S. and ties between Canada and U.S. are very strong (despite how Canadians act in this forum). Britain is much more tightly allied to the U.S. than Europe when all is said and done, and with Canada as the U.S. ally, Britain comes over.

....and you just got to love it when you have to pit a bunch on nations together to actually beat one.

AFBrat77

I think Britain would ditch the EU for U.S. and Canada........oh well, we'll never know.

In all fairness, I'm still not sure of the ties Britain has with Canada and Australia, and how much autonomy the latter countries have these days. I don't know exactly which countries (well some of them) are still considered British colonies and which have full independence.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"] I doubt Britain would side with the US. If there was an all-out war, and Canada was to choose between the US and Britain, it would definitely be Britain. THEY OWN THE DAMN COUNTRY. the UK may have strong ties to the US, but I doubt that Britain would ditch the EUCheesehead9099

I think Britain would ditch the EU for U.S. and Canada........oh well, we'll never know.

In all fairness, I'm still not sure of the ties Britain has with Canada and Australia, and how much autonomy the latter countries have these days. I don't know exactly which countries (well some of them) are still considered British colonies and which have full independence.

ok, I agree with you there, it was fun hearing everyone's opinion here, i think i'm going to take leave of this topic now (heh I gotta sleep sometime ;) ).

By the way, thanks for updating me on Canada's ties with Britain.......I sometimes get a bit confused about Britain and whether these colonies (or former colonies?) have full independence or whether they are still under some sort of British rule.

I still don't have Australia figured out yet, suppose i'll have to Google it. I just know we Americans gained full independence.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"] I doubt Britain would side with the US. If there was an all-out war, and Canada was to choose between the US and Britain, it would definitely be Britain. THEY OWN THE DAMN COUNTRY. the UK may have strong ties to the US, but I doubt that Britain would ditch the EUCheesehead9099

I think Britain would ditch the EU for U.S. and Canada........oh well, we'll never know.

In all fairness, I'm still not sure of the ties Britain has with Canada and Australia, and how much autonomy the latter countries have these days. I don't know exactly which countries (well some of them) are still considered British colonies and which have full independence.

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"][QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

I think Britain would ditch the EU for U.S. and Canada........oh well, we'll never know.

In all fairness, I'm still not sure of the ties Britain has with Canada and Australia, and how much autonomy the latter countries have these days. I don't know exactly which countries (well some of them) are still considered British colonies and which have full independence.

AFBrat77

ok, I agree with you there, it was fun hearing everyone's opinion here, i think i'm going to take leave of this topic now (heh I gotta sleep sometime ;) ).

By the way, thanks for updating me on Canada's ties with Britain.......I sometimes get a bit confused about Britain and whether these colonies (or former colonies?) have full independence or whether they are still under some sort of British rule.

I still don't have Australia figured out yet, suppose i'll have to Google it. I just know we Americans gained full independence.

[QUOTE="luamhtrad"]

I'll just leave this here.

AFBrat77

thats about right, interesting to see Mexico ahead of Canada ;)

wow, mexico ahead of canada? its always the underdogs that get you

and if since everyone is judging outcomes from past experiences (LOL Vietnam and war of 1812)

then i think its safe to say that France would just surrender and Switzerland wouldnt even join EU, they would just be neutral :P

so thats 2 countries off the Euro list (the US has to watch out for Finland though :o)

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"]

Europe.

UK+Germany+France+Part of Russia > USA

Also, Canada would end up siding with the UK because.... the queen OWNS canada.. literally.

AFBrat77

No, Britain would side with U.S. and Canada. Canada is in a bad position to battle the U.S. and ties between Canada and U.S. are very strong (despite how Canadians act in this forum). Britain is much more tightly allied to the U.S. than Europe when all is said and done, and with Canada as the U.S. ally, Britain comes over.

....and you just got to love it when you have to pit a bunch on nations together to actually beat one.

To be honest though, you make it sound like America is a little tiny nation. Its not, its **** huge.

idk about you guys but i know one joining of great nations that could succesfuly invade the US

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

SHHHH don't tell anyone that... Well technically ya, nno one won, but still, the fact that We were able to defend our territory. We actually have alot to owe to the fact that the americans made THE WORST chain of command mistakes, had no navy, that the french stuck with the english, the newenglanders wouldn't fight, and that the english had the support of all the natives.

But ya, lets call it a draw. Atleast we can't say the u.s wins every war.

Fundai

You know, if you say that vietnam wasn't a real war. and no one can say they won in iraq. And afganistan has turned into a bloody mess. and 1812 was just an imbarresment for the americans....

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the us has never lost a war

You know, if you say that vietnam wasn't a real war. and no one can say they won in iraq. And afganistan has turned into a bloody mess. and 1812 was just an imbarresment for the americans....

[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the us has never lost a war

surrealnumber5

You know, if you say that vietnam wasn't a real war. and no one can say they won in iraq. And afganistan has turned into a bloody mess. and 1812 was just an imbarresment for the americans....

It wasnt exactly a success was it? Vietnam is communist now. I would say it was a loss.

Plus technically America "lost" the civil war. :D

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

You know, if you say that vietnam wasn't a real war. and no one can say they won in iraq. And afganistan has turned into a bloody mess. and 1812 was just an imbarresment for the americans....

sonofsmeagle

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

You know, if you say that vietnam wasn't a real war. and no one can say they won in iraq. And afganistan has turned into a bloody mess. and 1812 was just an imbarresment for the americans....

Ilovegames1992

It wasnt exactly a success was it? Vietnam is communist now. I would say it was a loss.

Plus technically America "lost" the civil war. :D

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Europe has Belgium.Europe wins.

Fear us.Obey us.

imaps3fanboy

What is Belgium gonna do? Shoot waffles at us?

dude... that would be a good idea, our fat people would stop the US soldiers from advancing the attack cuz they want more waffles!!

i could bet you 100 bucksthere is more fat people in north america then there is soldiers loland if im wrong.... send me you address and i WILL send you money hahah

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] another ignorant poster, vietnam even if you consider it a war was not lost, wars in iraq were both won in short order, we are in afganistan but we are not at war with the government, 1812 was not a loss.surrealnumber5

It wasnt exactly a success was it? Vietnam is communist now. I would say it was a loss.

Plus technically America "lost" the civil war. :D

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

It wasnt exactly a success was it? Vietnam is communist now. I would say it was a loss.

Plus technically America "lost" the civil war. :D

Danm_999

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Fundai"]

You know, if you say that vietnam wasn't a real war. and no one can say they won in iraq. And afganistan has turned into a bloody mess. and 1812 was just an imbarresment for the americans....

Fundai

mmmhhhhmmm. Obviously the blinding light of your patriotism makes you think that they won vietnam but the fact is, whats is vietnam right now?? Comunist. So ya, get ur brain straight

and i never said u lost 1812, i just said it was an emmbartesmment. and a bloody big one if you ask me. of course you can always pull out the it was 200 years ago argument but still...

i guess we just lost the war in egypt too as that government was just as allied with us as the vietnamese government....

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] i guess we just lost the war in egypt too as that government was just as allied with us as the vietnamese government....

Danm_999

durring the police action the US lost about 60k but the vietnamese lost 1,200k and that is low balling it for combat only units.

Europe obviously. US citizens spend more time in MCdonalds than on the field, nuff' said.LustForSoul