When people say all drugs should be legal, do they realize how wrong that is?

All drugs should be legal because why should you care what someone else does? We already have laws to take care of anything someone might do like rob or kill, why should drugs even be a factor? It seems like anyone who says otherwise just wants an authoritative father figure to step in and tell everyone else not to do something that they don't like.FuggaJ

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]All drugs should be legal because why should you care what someone else does? We already have laws to take care of anything someone might do like rob or kill, why should drugs even be a factor? It seems like anyone who says otherwise just wants an authoritative father figure to step in and tell everyone else not to do something that they don't like.MrGeezer

yeah, but possessing spoiled food isn't a crime, while possessing drugs is.

yeah, but possessing spoiled food isn't a crime, while possessing drugs is.

lostrib

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Do you know what happened when the United States made alcohol illegal? And do you know what happened when the United States subsequently made alcohol legal again?

Ace6301

Congrats on avoiding the question entirely.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

 

yeah, but possessing spoiled food isn't a crime, while possessing drugs is.

MrGeezer

So I shouldn't be able to own "huge amounts of the stuff" for personal consumption?

merck and pfizer don't like competition. comp_atkins

They would probably jump at the chance to market recreational drugs if they were allowed to. These companies market what are basically variations of those drugs anyway. Pinning the war on drugs on "big pharma" is terribly short-sighted.

 

So I shouldn't be able to own "huge amounts of the stuff" for personal consumption?

Master_Live

[QUOTE="Master_Live"]

 

So I shouldn't be able to own "huge amounts of the stuff" for personal consumption?

MrGeezer

Unless you're Charlie Sheen.

All drugs should be legal because why should you care what someone else does? We already have laws to take care of anything someone might do like rob or kill, why should drugs even be a factor? It seems like anyone who says otherwise just wants an authoritative father figure to step in and tell everyone else not to do something that they don't like.FuggaJ

And this is why America cannot advance.

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]All drugs should be legal because why should you care what someone else does? We already have laws to take care of anything someone might do like rob or kill, why should drugs even be a factor? It seems like anyone who says otherwise just wants an authoritative father figure to step in and tell everyone else not to do something that they don't like.MrGeezer

[QUOTE="Master_Live"]

 

So I shouldn't be able to own "huge amounts of the stuff" for personal consumption?

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

 

yeah, but possessing spoiled food isn't a crime, while possessing drugs is.

MrGeezer

then i guess we better ban alcohol.

then i guess we better ban alcohol.

lostrib

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

then i guess we better ban alcohol.

MrGeezer

" And I should get arrested, because I'm selling something for human consumption that is not safe for human consumption."

As you said, alcohol is not safe for human consumption. so it should be banned

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]All drugs should be legal because why should you care what someone else does? We already have laws to take care of anything someone might do like rob or kill, why should drugs even be a factor? It seems like anyone who says otherwise just wants an authoritative father figure to step in and tell everyone else not to do something that they don't like.MrGeezer

" And I should get arrested, because I'm selling something for human consumption that is not safe for human consumption."

As you said, alcohol is not safe for human consumption. so it should be banned

lostrib

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

" And I should get arrested, because I'm selling something for human consumption that is not safe for human consumption."

As you said, alcohol is not safe for human consumption. so it should be banned

MrGeezer

Heroin is sold to help people alleviate pain.  cocaine and meth is given to kids to help with ADD/ADHD

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="FuggaJ"]All drugs should be legal because why should you care what someone else does? We already have laws to take care of anything someone might do like rob or kill, why should drugs even be a factor? It seems like anyone who says otherwise just wants an authoritative father figure to step in and tell everyone else not to do something that they don't like.FuggaJ

I am definitely in favor of legalizing every substance, obviously only among citizens that are educated about the possible dangers. My main issue with banning addictive substances is the negative effect that it has on addicts. 

For example, a illegal environment aggravates and lengthens a addictions. In the current situation, it's quite difficult for a severe addict to get access to a clean environment that prevents confrontation with the substance he is addicted to. A second problem that lengthens the addictions is the limited access ability that support groups, family or medical care have in these illegal environments. Obviously violence en debts are also problems that further aggravate addiction.

Another issue with a ban on additive substances is the increase in cost of the product and the decrease in purity. Many street level drugs are cut with a wide variety of unhealthy products, increasing the damage that these drugs do. There is no doubt that health problems are a big issue with addicts attempting a return to normal life. The mentioned increase in cost makes it harder for addicts to actually make a attempt at recovering as there is simply no time between being high and getting money.
I've read about experiments in which addicts were set up in a register, provided with clean free heroin, needle and 'usage stall', giving addicts far more time and money to make a attempt at recovery, in addition this place made it easy for support groups to get in touch with addicts. The addicts were improving in their social life and had significantly less encounters with the law by the time the experiment ended.

So for me, there is little doubt that a legalizing increases an addicts recovery chances. This makes the ban only reasonable when one assumes that legalizing increases the amount of addicts to such a extent, that the addiction length caused by the ban becomes negligible. I sincerely doubt that, but there is no conclusive proof until we try.

[QUOTE="FuggaJ"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] How do you feel about food safety laws? Should businesses be allowed to sell tainted food (provided that they don't deceive the customer)? Why would you care what someone else does? If I want to save some money by eating shrimp that's probably spoiled, why should the government be able to prevent you from selling it to me?MrGeezer

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

then i guess we better ban alcohol.

MrGeezer

To even answer this we'd need to first establish what "normal use" is.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="lostrib"]

then i guess we better ban alcohol.

worlock77

To even answer this we'd need to first establish what "normal use" is.

i think moderate alcohol use is considered 2 beers a day.  However if you drink 14 beers one day a week, that's not the same thing

Heroin is sold to help people alleviate pain.  cocaine and meth is given to kids to help with ADD/ADHD

lostrib

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Firstly, I think one could make a reasonable argument that alcohol is relatively safe in normal doses. Sure, excessive use undeniably leads to all kinds of problems, but normal use doesn't tend to turn most people into alcoholics or cause their livers to fail. If you could establish that normal use of heroin was similarly harmless, then I think that would be a fair case for legalizing heroin. Unfortunately (and maybe this is just me buying into anti-drug propaganda), there seem to be at least some drugs that are significantly more dangerous even with normal use.lostrib

To even answer this we'd need to first establish what "normal use" is.

i think moderate alcohol use is considered 2 beers a day.  However if you drink 14 beers one day a week, that's not the same thing

So what's "normal use" for heroin, cocaine, etc?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Heroin is sold to help people alleviate pain.  cocaine and meth is given to kids to help with ADD/ADHD

MrGeezer

so buying crack because you want to party is bad? but buying 151 rum and everclear because you want to party is okay?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

To even answer this we'd need to first establish what "normal use" is.

worlock77

i think moderate alcohol use is considered 2 beers a day.  However if you drink 14 beers one day a week, that's not the same thing

So what's "normal use" for heroin, cocaine, etc?

idk, what's the recommended dose for oxy and ritalin?

so buying crack because you want to party is bad? but buying 151 rum and everclear because you want to party is okay?

lostrib

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

so buying crack because you want to party is bad? but buying 151 rum and everclear because you want to party is okay?

MrGeezer

they're both dangerous substances, that can easily kill you or lead to addiction

I didn't want to read all seven pages but here's my piece.

All drugs should be legal. Period.

We already have laws to protect people, if someone gets high and hurts someone its assault either way. Drugs can only be destructive to the users. So why try and regulate it? We already have alcohol legalized, which few people understand how dangerous it is.

Why is someone trying to control my freedom and what I want to do with my mind. If i want to much shrooms and lay in a field for 5 hours why is that illegal? who is being affected besides me? If im not allowed to explore my own mind i am truly imprisoned.

Why put a drug user in jail hm? For what reason? That doesn't help them it hurts them, they should be given real help and support.

Making drugs illegal is basically like saying assault, theft and rape are just as bad as consuming a substance that only affects you.

they're both dangerous substances, that can easily kill you or lead to addiction

lostrib

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

i think moderate alcohol use is considered 2 beers a day.  However if you drink 14 beers one day a week, that's not the same thing

lostrib

So what's "normal use" for heroin, cocaine, etc?

idk, what's the recommended dose for oxy and ritalin?

Is there a point you're trying to make here?

I wouldnt ever try them if they were legal.

I'd smoke pot but I wouldn't do heroin, or meth.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

so buying crack because you want to party is bad? but buying 151 rum and everclear because you want to party is okay?

MrGeezer

Again, to answer this we'd have to establish what's considered "normal" use.

Again, to answer this we'd have to establish what's considered "normal" use.

worlock77

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

So what's "normal use" for heroin, cocaine, etc?

worlock77

idk, what's the recommended dose for oxy and ritalin?

Is there a point you're trying to make here?

i don't know what "normal use" is for heroin or cocaine, but perhaps you could draw info from their pharmacological equivalents

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

 

they're both dangerous substances, that can easily kill you or lead to addiction

MrGeezer

the point was that you have a problem with people wanting to buy crack in order to party, but no problem with selling alcohol for people to "party" (aka binge drink, get drunk, "shitfaced") which is dangerous.  

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Again, to answer this we'd have to establish what's considered "normal" use.

MrGeezer

Well certainly a line or two of cocaine a day isn't going to harm you anymore than a beer or two a day will.

the point was that you have a problem with people wanting to buy crack in order to party, but no problem with selling alcohol for people to "party" (aka binge drink, get drunk, "shitfaced") which is dangerous.  

lostrib

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Do you know what happened when the United States made alcohol illegal? And do you know what happened when the United States subsequently made alcohol legal again?

worlock77

Congrats on avoiding the question entirely.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Alcohol is quite different than something like meth or bath salts. Booze is such an established part of humanity that quite a few formally reputable people ended up breaking the law to circumvent it. The user base is also very different. Alcohol has always been the main drug of humanity, every class and creed pretty much have a drink associated with them. Meth? Yeah meth addicts don't tend to be the sort of people who really give two f*cks if their meth is from a reliable source or if they're breaking the law. Most end up breaking far worse laws just to feed their addiction which should tell you how horrific it is. Cigarettes may be bad but they don't turn you into something that people on the internet mistake for zombies. On top of all that alcohol takes quite a long time and a large amount to become addicted. Cigarettes are far more comparable in speed of addiction but still don't have anything when it comes to the strength of the addiction when compared to certain other drugs. Ace6301

Congrats on avoiding the question entirely.

Except your "actual argument" didn't have a thing to do with what I asked.