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@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

Are you aware a generation is about 25 years?

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@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

That's the problem many people have, especially SJW, they complain rather than actually try to improve themselves.

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#103  Edited By sayyy-gaa
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@Solaryellow said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

Are you aware a generation is about 25 years?

Yes I am more than aware actually. My generation o is commonly called Generation X. I was born in 77. My parent's generation is called baby boomers. They were both born in 52. Just so happens they were born EXACTLY 25 years before me. Which constitutes the generation before mine. Thank you for the lesson.

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I have as many slaves in my ancestry if not more than anyone you can name. The very word slave comes from slav.

People have no clue what they are talking about and have no interest in learning because it would destroy the current bullshit narritive.

This. Hell forbid we even suggest that people with light skin could experience oppression. It might actually take some research and knowledge actually going into it.

I saw black, female SJW online say, word for word, that Jews can't experience oppression because they're white.

If that's not disgustingly racist I don't know what is.

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@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

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@servomaster said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

That's the problem many people have, especially SJW, they complain rather than actually try to improve themselves.

That's because SJW don't care about the problem.. They feel that they have been personally affronted and feel they have to have more rights over others and the like to make up for said affront.. Reminds me of that bitch in the UK who said she couldn't be racist or sexist because she is a woman and minority, after she said white men were not allowed at her meeting.... These people are a fucking disgrace to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.. They are academic hacks that are poisoning college campus's..

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@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

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all these arguments are legit, if used by a non-racist person ... if u r a racist and use all that was said here to proof your standpoint it is ofc racist

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@N30F3N1X said:
@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

Jim Crow, slavery, lynching, segregation, KKK, and white supremacy would like to say "hello" to you.

Today, you're right. No one, regardless of race, can get away with making an extremely prejudiced statement. Some can but then again, it depends on who and what they are. Today, you did have subtle racism and policies that seemed non-racist but were, at their core, racist. You also have double standards apply in any field, from having a job or career to crime.

So no, whites in the US were able to get away with racism. A great example is that a group of white people can lynch a black person by accusing him of raping a white woman (despite little to no evidence) and get away with it in a court of law. Today, a white person can carry a gun on his back but see a black guy do it, it's "CALL THE POLICE, it's some thug from the bloods" even though he could just be a proud patriotic law-abiding American who loves guns. And yes, I'm well aware of the Jews, the Germans, and the Irish. They got shat on too but blacks took the blunt of it since the founding of this country. And yes, I'm aware that there are prejudiced people who are in the minority who say stupid things too but again, their influence is so limited, they're irrelevant. But when some asshole white rich dude (i.e. Donald Trump) makes comments on Mexicans and Muslims being terrorist raping illegals, that spreads and it spreads quick, and now you get hate crimes happening around the country against people of Hispanic or Arab origin and even Sikhs because they have their beards and turban because some people are so fucking stupid.

Seriously, this thread is the epitome of how this country is constantly amnesiac, thinking white people are being oppressed. No, they're not. Racism and prejudice in general isn't cool but the majority of white people aren't being oppressed in the US.

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the majority of white people aren't being oppressed in the US.

and even if, they would be oppressed by white people as well ... ur childish racism leads you no were

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I get it. Don't get me wrong, I do...or as much as any white person can "get" it.

But I don't like hearing about "white privelage". Why can't we call it "minority lack of opportunity"?

The term "white privelage" kind of perpetuates the notion that whatever white people have, is undeserved, and they didn't work hard. And above all else, it is incredibly racist.

I know people of color have it tough, and there are generations of white people that made it that way, but it's time to be honest about the situation.

You can balance something out by taking away from one side and giving to another; or, and perhaps preferable, you can add to the unbalanced side and bring it up to the level of the greater side.

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#112 omotih
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or as much as any white person can "get" it.

believe it or not but a lot of southpark episodes are just BS ... of course nothing holds you back to 'get' this, even if your media wants to create a gap between you simply based on Skin colour ... sad ... wake up !

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#113 omotih
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by taking away from one side and giving to another; or, and perhaps preferable, you can add to the unbalanced side and bring it up to the level of the greater side

no ! the underlined part is 'real' ... forget that other part

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White privilege doesn't exist. Rich privilege exists. No matter what skin color you are if you're born poor you are gonna have to work your ass off to get anywhere.

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@drunk_pi said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

Jim Crow, slavery, lynching, segregation, KKK, and white supremacy would like to say "hello" to you.

Today, you're right. No one, regardless of race, can get away with making an extremely prejudiced statement. Some can but then again, it depends on who and what they are. Today, you did have subtle racism and policies that seemed non-racist but were, at their core, racist. You also have double standards apply in any field, from having a job or career to crime.

So no, whites in the US were able to get away with racism. A great example is that a group of white people can lynch a black person by accusing him of raping a white woman (despite little to no evidence) and get away with it in a court of law. Today, a white person can carry a gun on his back but see a black guy do it, it's "CALL THE POLICE, it's some thug from the bloods" even though he could just be a proud patriotic law-abiding American who loves guns. And yes, I'm well aware of the Jews, the Germans, and the Irish. They got shat on too but blacks took the blunt of it since the founding of this country. And yes, I'm aware that there are prejudiced people who are in the minority who say stupid things too but again, their influence is so limited, they're irrelevant. But when some asshole white rich dude (i.e. Donald Trump) makes comments on Mexicans and Muslims being terrorist raping illegals, that spreads and it spreads quick, and now you get hate crimes happening around the country against people of Hispanic or Arab origin and even Sikhs because they have their beards and turban because some people are so fucking stupid.

Seriously, this thread is the epitome of how this country is constantly amnesiac, thinking white people are being oppressed. No, they're not. Racism and prejudice in general isn't cool but the majority of white people aren't being oppressed in the US.

"And yes, I'm aware that there are prejudiced people who are in the minority who say stupid things too but again, their influence is so limited, they're irrelevant."

K.

I kinda wanted to answer the part before that. But if you feel a thought as stupid as the one I put in marks is worth being put into words I doubt you can tell the difference between facts and fiction and that you'd be able to understand anything I have to say.

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@N30F3N1X: lol k.

Maybe you should just respond to the question instead of being evasive.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@servomaster said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

That's the problem many people have, especially SJW, they complain rather than actually try to improve themselves.

That's because SJW don't care about the problem.. They feel that they have been personally affronted and feel they have to have more rights over others and the like to make up for said affront.. Reminds me of that bitch in the UK who said she couldn't be racist or sexist because she is a woman and minority, after she said white men were not allowed at her meeting.... These people are a fucking disgrace to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.. They are academic hacks that are poisoning college campus's..

I'm just baffled that they don't realize that they are themselves racist/sexist.

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@servomaster said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@servomaster said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

That's the problem many people have, especially SJW, they complain rather than actually try to improve themselves.

That's because SJW don't care about the problem.. They feel that they have been personally affronted and feel they have to have more rights over others and the like to make up for said affront.. Reminds me of that bitch in the UK who said she couldn't be racist or sexist because she is a woman and minority, after she said white men were not allowed at her meeting.... These people are a fucking disgrace to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.. They are academic hacks that are poisoning college campus's..

I'm just baffled that they don't realize that they are themselves racist/sexist.

Which leads me to believe the movement is ran by sociopaths.. You can't be crying out feminism how nasty things said on twitter is giving you PTSD, while tivilizing or ignoring soldiers suffering from PTSD.. Or my personal favorite SJW fighting out against mental health of women, when completely ignoring the fact that men commit suicide by a massive MASSIVE margin more.. To me this just feels like they either don't care or they have completely lost their grip with reality and think every one is against them..

Another personal favorite of mine is the "academic" research paper that concludes that carbon fiber, a freaking building material, is sexist and represent the patriarch.. I thought this had to be a sick joke until I saw the paper my self.

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When you're daughter brings home a black guy you soon realise you are actually racist as hell lmao! Amiright? *grins awkwardly slowly backs away*

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@sayyy-gaa said:

Yes I am more than aware actually. My generation o is commonly called Generation X. I was born in 77. My parent's generation is called baby boomers. They were both born in 52. Just so happens they were born EXACTLY 25 years before me. Which constitutes the generation before mine. Thank you for the lesson.

I'm only too happy to help curb bullshittery. You gave the impression that mom and dad were segregated up until recently.

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@N30F3N1X said:
@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

Which minority group is being "outright racist" and getting away with it? Alerting young people to the disparity in social equality due to skin color and the history of skin color is not racist. Racism would be passing a law that says white people have to use separate facilities in public places.

If you want to counter racism in society, you have to be willing to have honest conversations about race and it's role in society.

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@slateman_basic said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

Which minority group is being "outright racist" and getting away with it? Alerting young people to the disparity in social equality due to skin color and the history of skin color is not racist. Racism would be passing a law that says white people have to use separate facilities in public places.

If you want to counter racism in society, you have to be willing to have honest conversations about race and it's role in society.

Every group whose members claim they can't be racist because they belong to said group. And every group who claims racism against them exists with 0 proof of it whatsoever. And every group who thinks whites are the only ones who ever perpetrated abuse through history and never received it - you speak of history of skin color but I doubt you have enough knowledge to see through that claim.

I'm very willing to have a honest conversation. This is proven by the fact that I think BlackLivesMatter is a bullshit movement as opposed to using them for social prestige like Shaun King or Macklemore.
Besides, the only reason what's happening in South Africa right now isn't also happening in the US is because there are more whites than blacks there. Some "alerting to the disparity in social equality" you have there.

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An honest discussion entails acknowledging how actions have consequences but some individuals would rather pull the race card rather than accepting responsibility for poor choices and bad actions. The guy above mentioned blm yet their poster children were involved in serious crimes but they want you to believe color was the culprit. Like he said, blm is complete comical b.s.

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@sSubZerOo said:
Which leads me to believe the movement is ran by sociopaths.. You can't be crying out feminism how nasty things said on twitter is giving you PTSD, while tivilizing or ignoring soldiers suffering from PTSD.. Or my personal favorite SJW fighting out against mental health of women, when completely ignoring the fact that men commit suicide by a massive MASSIVE margin more.. To me this just feels like they either don't care or they have completely lost their grip with reality and think every one is against them..

Another personal favorite of mine is the "academic" research paper that concludes that carbon fiber, a freaking building material, is sexist and represent the patriarch.. I thought this had to be a sick joke until I saw the paper my self.

I always laugh at those SJW bullshit claims.

"Wage gap shows sexism against women exists on the workplace! What? 93% of workplace fatalities are male? Why are you trying to distract us from the problem and making this about you?"

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@slateman_basic said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

Which minority group is being "outright racist" and getting away with it? Alerting young people to the disparity in social equality due to skin color and the history of skin color is not racist. Racism would be passing a law that says white people have to use separate facilities in public places.

If you want to counter racism in society, you have to be willing to have honest conversations about race and it's role in society.

That's a rather simplistic definition of racism. Nonetheless economic factors and culture have much to do with advantages rather than skin color. You do a disservice to minorities that are successful with those comments. And constantly blaming white people for problems is racist.

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#126  Edited By slateman_basic
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@slateman_basic said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@slateman_basic said:

@ShadowsDemonTell me, how are white people oppressed in the United States, currently?

They're the only ones who can't be outright racist and get away with it.

Which minority group is being "outright racist" and getting away with it? Alerting young people to the disparity in social equality due to skin color and the history of skin color is not racist. Racism would be passing a law that says white people have to use separate facilities in public places.

If you want to counter racism in society, you have to be willing to have honest conversations about race and it's role in society.

That's a rather simplistic definition of racism. Nonetheless economic factors and culture have much to do with advantages rather than skin color. You do a disservice to minorities that are successful with those comments. And constantly blaming white people for problems is racist.

And those of minority skin colors are particularly disadvantaged economically and socially. Largely because they are attempting to overcome centuries of institutional racism and economic impoverishment.

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@slateman_basic said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

That's a rather simplistic definition of racism. Nonetheless economic factors and culture have much to do with advantages rather than skin color. You do a disservice to minorities that are successful with those comments. And constantly blaming white people for problems is racist.

And those of minority skin colors are particularly disadvantaged economically and socially. Largely because they are attempting to overcome centuries of institutional racism and economic impoverishment.

And as I said you can't take culture out of that. What do you think about making babies when you are young and in no way to care for them? Or seeing how many fathers aren't in their children's lives? That IS a problem. Take a person from the same race from Africa and compare them to Americans? Do you see the disparity? The immigrants work their butt off. As do those Americans that take advantage of programs and become professionals. If NO one from that race could be successful I'd be more prone to listen to your argument. But at some point we have to look at culture and not race.

I have nothing but respect for those who put in the work and they deserve the reward. But doing nothing and complaining deserves no respect from anyone.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@slateman_basic said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

That's a rather simplistic definition of racism. Nonetheless economic factors and culture have much to do with advantages rather than skin color. You do a disservice to minorities that are successful with those comments. And constantly blaming white people for problems is racist.

And those of minority skin colors are particularly disadvantaged economically and socially. Largely because they are attempting to overcome centuries of institutional racism and economic impoverishment.

And as I said you can't take culture out of that. What do you think about making babies when you are young and in no way to care for them? Or seeing how many fathers aren't in their children's lives? That IS a problem. Take a person from the same race from Africa and compare them to Americans? Do you see the disparity? The immigrants work their butt off. As do those Americans that take advantage of programs and become professionals. If NO one from that race could be successful I'd be more prone to listen to your argument. But at some point we have to look at culture and not race.

I have nothing but respect for those who put in the work and they deserve the reward. But doing nothing and complaining deserves no respect from anyone.

It has nothing to do with work ethic. It has everything to do with the society in which they are born to and the complete lack of opportunities. Just because some have overcome it does not mean that it still does not exist. In fact, it simply highlights the disparity. Unless you are implying that an entire race of people is simply lazy and does not take advantage of "programs." Because that is the definition of racism.

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@slateman_basic said:

It has nothing to do with work ethic. It has everything to do with the society in which they are born to and the complete lack of opportunities. Just because some have overcome it does not mean that it still does not exist. In fact, it simply highlights the disparity. Unless you are implying that an entire race of people is simply lazy and does not take advantage of "programs." Because that is the definition of racism.

There are many programs designed to help the less privileged though. There are many white people that have the same problems. Not all white people are rich which seems to be what you think. I never mentioned the word lazy but there is a self fulfilling prophecy within cultures that drift along just because they want to believe it is what it. I also mentioned successful minorities that work toward something so stop playing the victim by deliberately misreading comments.

I get the racist vibe from your posts rather clearly.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@slateman_basic said:

It has nothing to do with work ethic. It has everything to do with the society in which they are born to and the complete lack of opportunities. Just because some have overcome it does not mean that it still does not exist. In fact, it simply highlights the disparity. Unless you are implying that an entire race of people is simply lazy and does not take advantage of "programs." Because that is the definition of racism.

There are many programs designed to help the less privileged though. There are many white people that have the same problems. Not all white people are rich which seems to be what you think. I never mentioned the word lazy but there is a self fulfilling prophecy within cultures that drift along just because they want to believe it is what it. I also mentioned successful minorities that work toward something so stop playing the victim by deliberately misreading comments.

I get the racist vibe from your posts rather clearly.

What programs do you think help the less privileged?

I've never said that white people were rich. I've simply said that they get a better starting point than minorities.

While you did not say the word lazy, you said that taking an immigrant from Africa shows that they work their butt off, thus implying that blacks in the US are lazy.

And the vast majority of immigrants to the US end up taking low paying jobs, resulting in living a poor life. Working hard does not result in being rich or even middle class.

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@slateman_basic said:

What programs do you think help the less privileged?

I've never said that white people were rich. I've simply said that they get a better starting point than minorities.

While you did not say the word lazy, you said that taking an immigrant from Africa shows that they work their butt off, thus implying that blacks in the US are lazy.

And the vast majority of immigrants to the US end up taking low paying jobs, resulting in living a poor life. Working hard does not result in being rich or even middle class.

Student grants and student loans. Affirmative action in the case of minorities. Reduced insurance costs. Welfare, food stamps, housing for the poor.

If they have the same economic outlook as minorities how do they get a better start?

I said culture which you didn't address. And FYI if I'm comparing the culture of two different countries of the same race it seems stupid to call it racist. As I said if you have a prophecy that x happens then it will...self fulfilling. If you move forward with positive ideas then positive results happen.

Vast majority? You mean all the doctors and professional people that get visas?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@slateman_basic said:

What programs do you think help the less privileged?

I've never said that white people were rich. I've simply said that they get a better starting point than minorities.

While you did not say the word lazy, you said that taking an immigrant from Africa shows that they work their butt off, thus implying that blacks in the US are lazy.

And the vast majority of immigrants to the US end up taking low paying jobs, resulting in living a poor life. Working hard does not result in being rich or even middle class.

Student grants and student loans. Affirmative action in the case of minorities. Reduced insurance costs. Welfare, food stamps, housing for the poor.

If they have the same economic outlook as minorities how do they get a better start?

I said culture which you didn't address. And FYI if I'm comparing the culture of two different countries of the same race it seems stupid to call it racist. As I said if you have a prophecy that x happens then it will...self fulfilling. If you move forward with positive ideas then positive results happen.

Vast majority? You mean all the doctors and professional people that get visas?

plus Asian students must have higher scores to enter universities .

To get into elite colleges, some advised to ‘appear less Asian’

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/2015/06/01/college-counselors-advise-some-asian-students-appear-less-asian/Ew7g4JiQMiqYNQlIwqEIuO/story.html

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Born in the 60s? You saw blacks denied the most basic human rights.

Born in the 70s? You saw blacks denied exit from inner city areas by raising prices based on race, and development of those areas by banks who segregated cities by race as a matter of policy. A practice called redlining that persisted into the 1980s in some areas.

Born in the 80s? You saw blacks successfully scapegoated for crime and laziness at the highest level of our politics on a routine basis. Reagan's campaign manager admitted that the campaign appealed to the "racist side of George Wallace voters," he didn't admit that twenty years later, he admitted it in 1981. You saw laws passed that punished crack cocaine with a 100 to 1 weight ratio sentencing disparity compared with powdered cocaine.

But yeah, it's the ancient history of our "ancestors".

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@slateman_basic said:

What programs do you think help the less privileged?

I've never said that white people were rich. I've simply said that they get a better starting point than minorities.

While you did not say the word lazy, you said that taking an immigrant from Africa shows that they work their butt off, thus implying that blacks in the US are lazy.

And the vast majority of immigrants to the US end up taking low paying jobs, resulting in living a poor life. Working hard does not result in being rich or even middle class.

Student grants and student loans. Affirmative action in the case of minorities. Reduced insurance costs. Welfare, food stamps, housing for the poor.

If they have the same economic outlook as minorities how do they get a better start?

I said culture which you didn't address. And FYI if I'm comparing the culture of two different countries of the same race it seems stupid to call it racist. As I said if you have a prophecy that x happens then it will...self fulfilling. If you move forward with positive ideas then positive results happen.

Vast majority? You mean all the doctors and professional people that get visas?

Student loans are programs for the less privileged? That's insanely laughable. Your "program" is resulting in universities getting richer and people getting less of an education, struggling to get in to the workforce, and young people starting off tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Great plan. It's worked wonders the last twenty years.

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@effec_tor: Not sure what you are replying toward.

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#136 LJS9502_basic
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@slateman_basic said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Student grants and student loans. Affirmative action in the case of minorities. Reduced insurance costs. Welfare, food stamps, housing for the poor.

If they have the same economic outlook as minorities how do they get a better start?

I said culture which you didn't address. And FYI if I'm comparing the culture of two different countries of the same race it seems stupid to call it racist. As I said if you have a prophecy that x happens then it will...self fulfilling. If you move forward with positive ideas then positive results happen.

Vast majority? You mean all the doctors and professional people that get visas?

Student loans are programs for the less privileged? That's insanely laughable. Your "program" is resulting in universities getting richer and people getting less of an education, struggling to get in to the workforce, and young people starting off tens of thousands of dollars in debt. Great plan. It's worked wonders the last twenty years.

And yet the student loan program has the same result no matter the race. Not sure how that equates to getting less of an education thought. The classes are the same whether one has mom and dad paying, is working and getting some financial aid or having an employer fund the education.

The workplace is also relatively the same for all races though affirmative action does leave some non minorities out.

I'd suggest going the technical school route. The loan will not be as high and one might have a viable trade when all is said and done. If you're banking on college then it's a risk. One that costs more. Nonetheless one CAN make a decision to look for a job and not an education. College isn't really a career maker unless one is in med school or law school. Take liberal arts or history major and the like and you don't have much prospects. Why spend the money?

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During the late 40's and through the 50's, my family was singled out and oppressed in East Germany by the Soviets because they had money. Now were forced to live as upper middle-class peasants in America. I want my God damned restitution!

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Just because student loans are available does not equate to a program for those less privileged. It's not a program that is designed to combat poverty. It's a program designed to make money. They have nothing to do with helping under-privileged people. And the fact that you equate them to that tells me you do not understand the issue here at all.

You see, if mom and dad can pay for your college, then more than likely you grew up somewhere with a decent education system. The classes are the same, but from birth, that person had an advantage over someone born in a poor area to parents who can't pay for college. Their education system was far superior from the beginning. And it results in a better education from the beginning.

Yes, take the technical school route and have few job skills that translate outside of that specific set. More than likely you will be in a job that doesn't pay that well and/or does not provide a steady stream of income. And getting a job without a college education results in low paying jobs with no prospects for improving this situation. They continue in that job for years, never really gaining any ground in the world. They stay there, poor, have kids in poor neighborhoods and the whole thing starts over.

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@slateman_basic said:

Just because student loans are available does not equate to a program for those less privileged. It's not a program that is designed to combat poverty. It's a program designed to make money. They have nothing to do with helping under-privileged people. And the fact that you equate them to that tells me you do not understand the issue here at all.

You see, if mom and dad can pay for your college, then more than likely you grew up somewhere with a decent education system. The classes are the same, but from birth, that person had an advantage over someone born in a poor area to parents who can't pay for college. Their education system was far superior from the beginning. And it results in a better education from the beginning.

Yes, take the technical school route and have few job skills that translate outside of that specific set. More than likely you will be in a job that doesn't pay that well and/or does not provide a steady stream of income. And getting a job without a college education results in low paying jobs with no prospects for improving this situation. They continue in that job for years, never really gaining any ground in the world. They stay there, poor, have kids in poor neighborhoods and the whole thing starts over.

They are there to give those who cannot afford college a chance to attend. Whether or not you find the program helpful in no way changes the fact that one can get an education with them.

In regard to paragraph 2.....I was talking about college classes. If one is attending college on a loan one is still taking the same classes those who have parents paying are taking. Not everyone has rich parents and many parents save and sacrifice to send their children to college. That does NOT mean they are wealthy. It means they were responsible with their money. Nonetheless same class in the same college means the SAME EDUCATION.

You do know that trades pay very well? And they cannot be outsourced like many of the degrees one gets in college. They are hands on. You don't seem to have much knowledge about trades.

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Once upon a time, the auto workers union believed their trade could not be outsourced. They negotiated high salaries and good benefits. Then the robots came. Technical jobs are always the first to be automated. And they can most definitely be outsourced to companies who produce their products somewhere else.

That's all well and good, but you have to get in to college first. And when you start life as a poor black kid in a poor urban area, the deck is stacked against you. Even more so than the poor rural white kid. College loans are not a program. You still have to be able to qualify for college.

And that is what you seem to not understand about "White privilege." For decades, minorities (blacks in particular) were pushed in to small, poor areas. They were kept segregated. They were denied anything resembling a proper education. They were inhibited from even being allowed to attempt to improve their standing. So yes, after hundreds of years of slavery and decades of segregation and oppression designed to belittle, impoverish, and make an entire race of people as dumb as possible, there just might be some lasting effects of those decisions that result in minorities not getting the same opportunities that were made available to their white counter parts.

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@slateman_basic said:

Once upon a time, the auto workers union believed their trade could not be outsourced. They negotiated high salaries and good benefits. Then the robots came. Technical jobs are always the first to be automated. And they can most definitely be outsourced to companies who produce their products somewhere else.

That's all well and good, but you have to get in to college first. And when you start life as a poor black kid in a poor urban area, the deck is stacked against you. Even more so than the poor rural white kid. College loans are not a program. You still have to be able to qualify for college.

And that is what you seem to not understand about "White privilege." For decades, minorities (blacks in particular) were pushed in to small, poor areas. They were kept segregated. They were denied anything resembling a proper education. They were inhibited from even being allowed to attempt to improve their standing. So yes, after hundreds of years of slavery and decades of segregation and oppression designed to belittle, impoverish, and make an entire race of people as dumb as possible, there just might be some lasting effects of those decisions that result in minorities not getting the same opportunities that were made available to their white counter parts.

I guess that must be why there are, relatively speaking, more blacks getting into med school than whites.

I'm sure you feel all warm and fuzzy to speak about these things. It's too bad they're not true anymore.

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@slateman_basic said:

Once upon a time, the auto workers union believed their trade could not be outsourced. They negotiated high salaries and good benefits. Then the robots came. Technical jobs are always the first to be automated. And they can most definitely be outsourced to companies who produce their products somewhere else.

That's all well and good, but you have to get in to college first. And when you start life as a poor black kid in a poor urban area, the deck is stacked against you. Even more so than the poor rural white kid. College loans are not a program. You still have to be able to qualify for college.

And that is what you seem to not understand about "White privilege." For decades, minorities (blacks in particular) were pushed in to small, poor areas. They were kept segregated. They were denied anything resembling a proper education. They were inhibited from even being allowed to attempt to improve their standing. So yes, after hundreds of years of slavery and decades of segregation and oppression designed to belittle, impoverish, and make an entire race of people as dumb as possible, there just might be some lasting effects of those decisions that result in minorities not getting the same opportunities that were made available to their white counter parts.

Exactly as I said. You don't know what technical schools do.

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@sSubZerOo said:
@servomaster said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@servomaster said:
@sayyy-gaa said:

I don't get all this recent chatter about white privilege. It does exist. It is real. However it is much less evident now than it was one generation ago. My parents went to segregated schools and weren't allowed in certain restaurants growing up. We have come a loooong way. Instead of talking about it let's all DO something about it.

That's the problem many people have, especially SJW, they complain rather than actually try to improve themselves.

That's because SJW don't care about the problem.. They feel that they have been personally affronted and feel they have to have more rights over others and the like to make up for said affront.. Reminds me of that bitch in the UK who said she couldn't be racist or sexist because she is a woman and minority, after she said white men were not allowed at her meeting.... These people are a fucking disgrace to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.. They are academic hacks that are poisoning college campus's..

I'm just baffled that they don't realize that they are themselves racist/sexist.

Which leads me to believe the movement is ran by sociopaths.. You can't be crying out feminism how nasty things said on twitter is giving you PTSD, while tivilizing or ignoring soldiers suffering from PTSD.. Or my personal favorite SJW fighting out against mental health of women, when completely ignoring the fact that men commit suicide by a massive MASSIVE margin more.. To me this just feels like they either don't care or they have completely lost their grip with reality and think every one is against them..

Another personal favorite of mine is the "academic" research paper that concludes that carbon fiber, a freaking building material, is sexist and represent the patriarch.. I thought this had to be a sick joke until I saw the paper my self.

I feel like the whole movement is just based on the idea that people who contribute nothing, should be worthy of getting everything. Rather than people who earn it or are productive members of socioty.

Take feminists for example. Google some of the images and articles that they've written, and it becomes apparent very quickly that they're not very intelligent or aesthetically appealing, and thus have low value to men. I'm not saying this to be a dick, but you are only worth what you produce, and if you aren't producing qualities that make you appealing, nobody will want you. The key is that everybody is capable of self improvement through hard work. The modern movement seems to be based on; rather than improve yourself to make up for your own faults, the idea becomes to tear everybody else down or force people to accept your low standards.

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@servomaster said:
@sSubZerOo said:
@servomaster said:
@sSubZerOo said:

That's because SJW don't care about the problem.. They feel that they have been personally affronted and feel they have to have more rights over others and the like to make up for said affront.. Reminds me of that bitch in the UK who said she couldn't be racist or sexist because she is a woman and minority, after she said white men were not allowed at her meeting.... These people are a fucking disgrace to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.. They are academic hacks that are poisoning college campus's..

I'm just baffled that they don't realize that they are themselves racist/sexist.

Which leads me to believe the movement is ran by sociopaths.. You can't be crying out feminism how nasty things said on twitter is giving you PTSD, while tivilizing or ignoring soldiers suffering from PTSD.. Or my personal favorite SJW fighting out against mental health of women, when completely ignoring the fact that men commit suicide by a massive MASSIVE margin more.. To me this just feels like they either don't care or they have completely lost their grip with reality and think every one is against them..

Another personal favorite of mine is the "academic" research paper that concludes that carbon fiber, a freaking building material, is sexist and represent the patriarch.. I thought this had to be a sick joke until I saw the paper my self.

I feel like the whole movement is just based on the idea that people who contribute nothing, should be worthy of getting everything. Rather than people who earn it or are productive members of socioty.

Take feminists for example. Google some of the images and articles that they've written, and it becomes apparent very quickly that they're not very intelligent or aesthetically appealing, and thus have low value to men. I'm not saying this to be a dick, but you are only worth what you produce, and if you aren't producing qualities that make you appealing, nobody will want you. The key is that everybody is capable of self improvement through hard work. The modern movement seems to be based on; rather than improve yourself to make up for your own faults, the idea becomes to tear everybody else down or force people to accept your low standards.

Simone de Beauvoir, writer of the Second Sex when she was young. Founder of second wave feminism, longtime friend and lover Jean Paul Sartre, the best known philosopher of the twentieth century. But I'm sure he was into the dummies, right?

Gloria Steinem when she was young. One of the most popular feminists in the second half of the 20th century and co-founder of Ms. magazine.

Eva Peron when young, probably the most powerful political feminist in history. Got women the right to vote and enter universities in Argentina after forming the Feminist Peron Party.

Your points are stupid and disgusting and I feel disgusting posting pictures of pretty feminists to disprove your stupid points, given these women worked their entire lives to demonstrate their belief that women didn't need to be validated by men to have worth.

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@Seiki_sands said:
Simone de Beauvoir, writer of the Second Sex when she was young. Founder of second wave feminism, longtime friend and lover Jean Paul Sartre, the best known philosopher of the twentieth century. But I'm sure he was into the dummies, right?

Gloria Steinem when she was young. One of the most popular feminists in the second half of the 20th century and co-founder of Ms. magazine.

Eva Peron when young, probably the most powerful political feminist in history. Got women the right to vote and enter universities in Argentina after forming the Feminist Peron Party.

Your points are stupid and disgusting and I feel disgusting posting pictures of pretty feminists to disprove your stupid points, given these women worked their entire lives to demonstrate their belief that women didn't need to be validated by men to have worth.

Your formatting ability is almost as bad as your reading comprehension.

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SJW's are idiots, there is a lot of black on black crime going. If a black man kills another black man, it's not news worthy, but if a white man kills a black man, it's an automatic hate crime. There is a lot of black on black murder here in Chicago and none of the SJW's don't give a damn about it. Instead keep making up stories of white privilege cops bullying black hoodlums.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: It's a shame that the refressive left don't get.