Who else thinks that rap should not be considered music?

I agree, it should not be, along with:

Alternative rock
Grunge
Ska
Punk
Metalcore
Mallcore
Deathcore
Groove metal

I agree, it should not be, along with:

Alternative rock
Grunge
Ska
Punk
Metalcore
Mallcore
Deathcore
Groove metal

Dalo12345

At least they sing.

I agree, it should not be, along with:

Alternative rock
Grunge
Ska
Punk
Metalcore
Mallcore
Deathcore
Groove metal

Dalo12345

How is hip-hop not music?

[QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

I agree, it should not be, along with:

Alternative rock
Grunge
Ska
Punk
Metalcore
Mallcore
Deathcore
Groove metal

Zaeryn

He's not...that's the scary thing.

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

And for the record... I do believe some rappers have rapped to orchestral accompaniment. Some of the rap fans may be able to tell you who they were; I don't recall, since I'm not a fan of the genre at all. But that doesn't mean the music is cIassical. It's still rap - there's just a symphony providing the accompaniment instead of electronics. Same goes for symphonies accompanying rock bands. It's still rock music. pianist

Xzibit - Paparazzi

one of many.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Notadog

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

I don't think it is. It's talking to a beat.Notadog

Then it's music.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

Urgh... I don't like atonal music at all.

pianist

I'm not a fan of it either. But there's no argument that it's music, since Penderecki obviously wrote the score, choosing those specific sounds to evoke emotions.

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

Notadog

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Notadog

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

[QUOTE="Notadog"]

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

pianist

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

[QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

That the lyrics are actually somewhat deep and thoughtful, and not about teenage angst, nigguhz, hoes, rims, benjamins, fuk da police, etc.

[QUOTE="Notadog"]

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

pianist

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

Nice :lol:

[QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

"This universal apartheid
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh!t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all"

[QUOTE="Notadog"]

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

pianist

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

Mmkay. You and Beethoven can work that out. And by lyrical qualities, I mean something along the lines of "talent", mayhaps.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Dalo12345

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

That the lyrics are actually somewhat deep and thoughtful, and not about teenage angst, nigguhz, hoes, rims, benjamins, fuk da police, etc.

would you like some references?

and I like how you define what is or isn't a reasonable theme.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Dalo12345

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

That the lyrics are actually somewhat deep and thoughtful, and not about teenage angst, nigguhz, hoes, rims, benjamins, fuk da police, etc.

Yeah...but your sig says gore not core.....You think gory death metal is deep? LaWlZ

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Dalo12345

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

That the lyrics are actually somewhat deep and thoughtful, and not about teenage angst, nigguhz, hoes, rims, benjamins, fuk da police, etc.

Ah, thank you. That's one of the points I meant.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Dreams-Visions

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

"This universal apartheid
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh!t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all"

I think you misunderstood me. Im on your side. Im just interested to know what he thinks "lyrical qualities" are.

[QUOTE="Dalo12345"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Dreams-Visions

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

That the lyrics are actually somewhat deep and thoughtful, and not about teenage angst, nigguhz, hoes, rims, benjamins, fuk da police, etc.

would you like some references?

and I like how you define what is or isn't a reasonable theme.

It's reasonable, it's just I have no desire to listen to someone sing about their girlfriend and how sad they are that they broke up.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Notadog"]

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

Notadog

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

Mmkay. You and Beethoven can work that out. And by lyrical qualities, I mean something along the lines of "talent", mayhaps.

Beethoven and I already worked it out. It's you who doesn't seem to understand that singing is not a requirement of music. For that matter, melody isn't a requirement of music. If it were, no African tribal drumming would be music, nor would any music for unpitched percussion. In your first post here, you claimed that rap is 'talking to a beat' or something. The moment you said 'to a beat,' you are acknowledging it is music, whether you want to think of it as such or not.

Also, evaulation of talent is entirely subjective. If one person says rap requires talent and another does not, what do you do then?

[QUOTE="Dalo12345"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

That the lyrics are actually somewhat deep and thoughtful, and not about teenage angst, nigguhz, hoes, rims, benjamins, fuk da police, etc.

Yeah...but your sig says gore not core.....You think gory death metal is deep? LaWlZ

Not exactly, but I think it gets my point across that metalcore and its affiliates are crap.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

"This universal apartheid
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh!t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all"

I think you misunderstood me. Im on your side. Im just interested to know what he thinks "lyrical qualities" are.

Singing. And I'm a girl.

[QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Notadog"]

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

Notadog

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

Mmkay. You and Beethoven can work that out. And by lyrical qualities, I mean something along the lines of "talent", mayhaps.

"You heard of the raps before but kept waitin for the Son of Song,
I keep dancehalls strong
Beats never worthy of my cause, I prolong
Extravangza, time sits still
No propoganda, be wary of the skill
As I bring forth the music, make love to your eardrum
Dedicated to rap brotha beware of the fearsome
Lebanon Don, Malcolm X beat threat
CD massacre, murder to cassette
I blow the shop up, you ain't seen nuttin yet
One man ran, tryin to get away from it
Put your bifocal on, watch me a-cometh
into your chamber like Freddy enter dream
Discombumberate your technique and your scheme
Four course applause, like a black dat to dat
You're stuck on stupid like I'm stuck on the map
Nowhere to go except next show bro
Entertainin mother****** can't stop O
in battlin? you don't want me to start tattlin
All upon the stage cause y'all snakes keep rattlin
*****, you ain't got nothin on the rich
Every other day my whole dress code switch
So just in case you want to clock me like Sherry
All y'all crab ****** ain't got to worry
Can't get a brotha like Don dime a dozen
Even if I'm smoked out I can't be scoped out
I'm too ill, I represent Park Hill
See my face on the twenty dollar bill
Cash it in, and get ten dollars back
The fat LP with Cappachino on the wax
Pass it in your think, put valve up to twelve
Put all the other LP's back on the shelf
And smoke a *****, and dial 9-1-7
1-6-0-4-9-3-11
And you could get long **** hip-hop affection
I damage any MC who step in my direction
I'm Staten Island's best son forget what you heard
Brothaz still talkin that spit is absurd
My repotoire, is U.S.S.R.
P.L.O. ****got thrown out the car
and ran over, by the Method Man jeep
Divine can't define my ****is so deep
like *****, my low cut fade stay bushy
like a porcupine, I part backs like a spine
Gut you like a blunt and reconstruct your design
I know you want to diss me, but I can read your mind
Cuz you weak in the knees, like SWV
Tryin to get a title like Wu Killa Bee
Kid change your habit, you know I'm friends with the Abbott
Me and RZA ridin name printed in the tablet
under vets, we paid our debts for mad years
Hibernate the sound, and now we out like beers
and blunt power, born physically power speakin
The truth in the song be the pro-black teachin"

[QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="pianist"][QUOTE="Notadog"]

Not real music, in my opinion. If you want to create music, stop rhyming and start singing.

Post "fail" or whatever you want. It's my opinion and it will not be swayed.

pianist

Sorry Beethoven. Your first eight symphonies aren't real music, because no one's singing.

Mmkay. You and Beethoven can work that out. And by lyrical qualities, I mean something along the lines of "talent", mayhaps.

Beethoven and I already worked it out. It's you who doesn't seem to understand that singing is not a requirement of music. For that matter, melody isn't a requirement of music. If it were, no African tribal drumming would be music, nor would any music for unpitched percussion. In your first post here, you claimed that rap is 'talking to a beat' or something. The moment you said 'to a beat,' you are acknowledging it is music, whether you want to think of it as such or not.

However techinical it may get, I'll just point out that I hate rap and go on with my angsty teenage life.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

"This universal apartheid
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh!t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all"

I think you misunderstood me. Im on your side. Im just interested to know what he thinks "lyrical qualities" are.

However techinical it may get, I'll just point out that I hate rap and go on with my angsty teenage life.

Notadog

Hating it is fine. I don't like it either. But just because we don't like it doesn't mean it isn't music.

Singing. And I'm a girl.

Notadog

got it.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

Notadog

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

"This universal apartheid
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh!t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all"

I think you misunderstood me. Im on your side. Im just interested to know what he thinks "lyrical qualities" are.

Singing. And I'm a girl.

"Music is an art form in which the medium is sound organized in time."

The lyrics can suck and still be music. End of discussion.

[QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"]

How is hip-hop not music?

-Austin-

Hip-hop is, but the vocals of rap have no lyrical qualities, if you asked me.

Umm....what are lyrical qualities?

"This universal apartheid
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh!t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all"

I think you misunderstood me. Im on your side. Im just interested to know what he thinks "lyrical qualities" are.

Singing. And I'm a girl.

"Music is an art form in which the medium is sound organized in time."

The lyrics can suck and still be music. End of discussion.

When did she say that the lyrics sucking made it not music?

fission mailed

When did she say that the lyrics sucking made it not music?

fission mailed

Dalo12345

lol. great observation.

Ska

Dalo12345

How is ska not music?

Alright, alright, interwebz, don't get your jockstrap in a bunch.Notadog

Yeah, neither should you.....

Fine, fine. It's music. It's music that sucks.

And yeah, Ska rocks! Anyone who says different is no longer my ally!

"Say my name, say my name
Observe how I stake my claim, I independently lay it down
and played my game, my own two raise my flame
Cause jock ridin ain't my thang
I earned what they said I wouldn't
I got it the way they said I couldn't
But now I'm gettin it and they whole grill is crooked
Mad cause I'm gettin caked out from my bookings
When y'all was askin permission I just stepped up and took it
What!? The kid's better buy my rookie card now
Cause after this year the price ain't comin down
And if you got a joint bubblin then get money now
Cause in a minute, there's gonna be some real trouble comin out
Just a warnin, as usual some cats wont heed it
The hard headed always gotta feel it to believe it
It's a shame the jealous gaze is too short to see it
But when they face hit the cement, they nod in agreement
We could play nice and decent, or dirty like the 7-1 Precinct
Call it a day or make it a long evenin'
You keep on schemin', and give me some more reason
to have the women in your mama's church screamin "Lord Jesus!"
Harder than y'all cause I'm smarter than y'all
I know that deep down it's got to be bothering y'all
Pay attention, watch fly gon' get larger than y'all
Put your pride on the rocks, make you swallow it all!"

ahhh...that felt good.

i work in the industry and met many underground rappers who aren't negative influences. itz the record companies that are putting out the music you here in the mainstream. I talked to a lawyer by the name of Berdell ( big industry lawyer ) and he told me and another one of my partners that rapp music is now about distruction, i was shock to hear it spoken so blatantly from the inside of the biz. he joke about it, but then i started noticing the patern, i often try to tell some of my clients but if the label is not going to give you a deal because you are not mainstream then i guess that can persuade some to sell out so they can sell out. i don't agrree with some of the music but its music non the less. just because you can't follow the beat or understand the content dosen't make your opinion about it not being music law. some ppl don't consider scream over uload broken guitars music and some think classical isn't music. who has the right to say what is and whats not....thats where the trouble starts.

with that said there are a few positive artist but they don't get as much recognition and thats the sad facts...anyone can see this for themselves.

Fine, fine. It's music. It's music that sucks.

Notadog

Half Right. Half-Wrong. :D

Cause jock ridin ain't my thang

Dreams-Visions

:lol:

[QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

Ska

-Austin-

How is ska not music?

It's like jazz, if jazz was complete crap.

[QUOTE="Notadog"]

Fine, fine. It's music. It's music that sucks.

-Austin-

Half Right. Half-Wrong. :D

Which half was wrong? :P

And thinking about it, jockstraps seem somewhat painful for females to wear.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

Ska

Dalo12345

How is ska not music?

It's like jazz, if jazz was complete crap.

No...it's like reggae...thats what Ska is....fast reggae.

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