Who else thinks that rap should not be considered music?

I got a likin' for reggae after living in Miami. Good stuff.

As is Red Stripe, the beer. Not bad.

i work in the industry and met many underground rappers who aren't negative influences. itz the record companies that are putting out the music you here in the mainstream. I talked to a lawyer by the name of Berdell ( big industry lawyer ) and he told me and another one of my partners that rapp music is now about distruction, i was shock to hear it spoken so blatantly from the inside of the biz. he joke about it, but then i started noticing the patern, i often try to tell some of my clients but if the label is not going to give you a deal because you are not mainstream then i guess that can persuade some to sell out so they can sell out. i don't agrree with some of the music but its music non the less. just because you can't follow the beat or understand the content dosen't make your opinion about it not being music law. some ppl don't consider scream over uload broken guitars music and some think classical isn't music. who has the right to say what is and whats not....thats where the trouble starts.

with that said there are a few positive artist but they don't get as much recognition and thats the sad facts...anyone can see this for themselves.

shyskillz

I got a likin' for reggae after living in Miami. Good stuff.

As is Red Stripe, the beer. Not bad.

Notadog

Hooray beer

[QUOTE="Dalo12345"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

Ska

-Austin-

How is ska not music?

It's like jazz, if jazz was complete crap.

No...it's like reggae...thats what Ska is....fast reggae.

[QUOTE="Notadog"]

I got a likin' for reggae after living in Miami. Good stuff.

As is Red Stripe, the beer. Not bad.

-Austin-

Hooray beer

I help put up drywall and hurricane shutters and got paid in red stripe once. :D

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[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

Ska

Erasorn

How is ska not music?

It's like jazz, if jazz was complete crap.

No...it's like reggae...thats what Ska is....fast reggae.

Maybe your right. Either way, reggae and ska are very similar.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"]

I got a likin' for reggae after living in Miami. Good stuff.

As is Red Stripe, the beer. Not bad.

Notadog

Hooray beer

I help put up drywall and hurricane shutters and got paid in red stripe once. :D

You got ripped off :D

because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. tycoonmike

many artists use pitch changes. virturally all have melodic value. it's not simply a change in the frequency of words set to time.

[QUOTE="Notadog"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Notadog"]

I got a likin' for reggae after living in Miami. Good stuff.

As is Red Stripe, the beer. Not bad.

-Austin-

Hooray beer

I help put up drywall and hurricane shutters and got paid in red stripe once. :D

You got ripped off :D

No way, mon. 3 cases of beer for putting up 5 hurricane shutters seems like a good deal to me!

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. Dreams-Visions

lol, yeah. It helps if you listen to some true hip-hop before you try to argue about what hip-hop. This "rap isn't music" threads prove it.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. -Austin-

lol, yeah. It helps if you listen to some true hip-hop before you try to argue about what hip-hop. This "rap isn't music" threads prove it.

It's the equivalent of listening to only Maroon 5 and asserting that rock sucks.

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. Vyse_The_Daring

lol, yeah. It helps if you listen to some true hip-hop before you try to argue about what hip-hop. This "rap isn't music" threads prove it.

It's the equivalent of listening to only Maroon 5 and asserting that rock sucks.

I know, everyone is like "Look at Lil Jon, rap sucks so bad"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBAZk-ANChA

for music that "has no melody" it certainly is catchy.

I must admit though, rap adds a nice touch to club music:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gks5t_X0gCI

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. -Austin-

lol, yeah. It helps if you listen to some true hip-hop before you try to argue about what hip-hop. This "rap isn't music" threads prove it.

Uh, the thread is about rap, not hip-hop in general. Rap is simply the words spoken in hip-hop, of which the main lyrics have almost no change in pitch or tone. In that sense, rap is simply poetry set to music, IE., the beat in hip-hop.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. -Austin-

lol, yeah. It helps if you listen to some true hip-hop before you try to argue about what hip-hop. This "rap isn't music" threads prove it.

It's the equivalent of listening to only Maroon 5 and asserting that rock sucks.

I know, everyone is like "Look at Lil Jon, rap sucks so bad"

In my personal oppinion rap should not be considered music. It should be considered a poetic art form. Which it is. Music is an art form. But like I said, rap isn't really music in my oppinion.airg6

semantics

I can't believe this argument is still going on

And Forever_Changes, I love that De La Soul song. As you said, damn catchy

I can't believe this argument is still going on

And Forever_Changes, I love that De La Soul song. As you said, damn catchy

zepman71

Damn right. De La own. :)

[QUOTE="pianist"] And for the record... I do believe some rappers have rapped to orchestral accompaniment. Some of the rap fans may be able to tell you who they were; I don't recall, since I'm not a fan of the genre at all. But that doesn't mean the music is cIassical. It's still rap - there's just a symphony providing the accompaniment instead of electronics. Same goes for symphonies accompanying rock bands. It's still rock music. Dreams-Visions

Xzibit - Paparazzi

one of many.

Xzibit's Paparazzi just samples Gabriel Faure composition Pavare, I think it actually even samples the Barbara Streisand version. There's plenty of hip-hop that samples orchestral music, Nas' "Hate Me Now" and Dipset's "Santana's Town" sample the Carmina Burana and Ludacris' "Coming 2 America" samples Mozart's Requiem and the last movement of Dvorak's Symphony No. 9 From the New World to name a few. Hip-hop pretty much samples every single music genre out there and producers have sampled everything from a baby cooing, to water dripping, to a tennis match, to video games. So musically, at the very least, all those people who say hip-hop has no melody are very incorrect since that would be saying cIassical, funk, soul, blues, rock, and jazz have no melody as well since hip-hop samples all of those genres. Hip-hop beats may borrow, rearrange, reproduce a melody from another song and people might not like that, but that melody still exists in a hip-hop song once it's been sampled.

A rapper actually working alongside an orchestra is rare though. But like I posted earlier, rappers like K-Os have actually rapped alongside an orchestra on songs like Burning to Shine.... and others like Jay-Z and Kanye West rap alongside orchestras for some of their live performances.

Uh... What? There's more to rap than the commercial stuff you hear. Rapping can be combined with all kinds of instrumentation and dynamics. Rap may not be what you like but its pretty insulting to people who do like it to say it isn't music. It IS music. Rap has structures, complex rythms and can have experimental instrumentation. It can be a bit sparse melodically, but that can be said with any genre of music.

manicfoot

well said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwwzrI3PoZs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxtvrCI0pU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EYT6OqCVn8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjNy2ZbDGoU&feature=related

^^^^^

That's is how real hip-hop beats sound, not that simple "kid playing around on his computer s***"

Soujia Boy isn't Hip-hop stop using him as an example

[QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"][QUOTE="-Austin-"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] because the lyrics have no pitch changes, no melodic value, simply a change in the frequency of the words and set to time. Dreams-Visions

lol, yeah. It helps if you listen to some true hip-hop before you try to argue about what hip-hop. This "rap isn't music" threads prove it.

It's the equivalent of listening to only Maroon 5 and asserting that rock sucks.

I know, everyone is like "Look at Lil Jon, rap sucks so bad"

Agreed, at least there are some non-ignorant people on GS.

I got a likin' for reggae after living in Miami. Good stuff.

As is Red Stripe, the beer. Not bad.

Notadog

Ah, I love reggae...

Ignorant, ignorant, ignorant. Thats all I hear out of your mouth. airg6

Care to say how?

It's not music.zombiepanda13

Of course not....

Who bumped this? The TC has been proved to be completely wrong and now is just crying trying not to look stupid by calling everyone ignorant.swizz-the-gamer

I bumped this