why do americans hate free health care

1. There is no free health care.

2. I don't pay thousands.....

Because it's communist.quiglythegreat

Not really...

We don't hate it. Most Americans are just mislead to believe that socialized healthcare is bad. Our government (as well as HMOs) has built up propaganda that is used to make us think we have the best healthcare in the world. When actually it sucks.

Because they feel it results in poor patient care. To some extent, this is true... but for most people, the benefits of inexpensive or free healthcare outweigh the discrepancy in service quality, especially if they would receive NO healthcare if it weren't inexpensive or free. Only the wealthy (who can easily afford expensive care) are really affected by this, and since most people try to model themselves after the wealthy - even when most will never be wealthy themselves - they throw their lot in with the wealthy philosophy that it is better to pay for the best care than to receive adequate care for nothing.

Probably there is an underlying phobia of anything socialist in there too. Many people are enormously selfish, and can't stand the thought of paying money for other peoples' treatment when they themselves have no use for the system at that moment.

We don't hate it. Most Americans are just mislead to believe that socialized healthcare is bad. Our government (as well as HMOs) has built up propaganda that is used to make us think we have the best healthcare in the world. When actually it sucks.

yucky_straw

Actually no. The resistence to socialized medicine comes primarily from the problems inherent in the system.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.edd678

Not really...

That's the connotation associated with Universal Healthcare, though.

Because it's communist.quiglythegreat

And what is wrong with communism??

Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. bman784

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Because you can't sue someone for performing free malpractive.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.mattyftm

And what is wrong with communism??

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. crazychris

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Yes, because doctors cease caring about patients when universal healthcare is present. :|

For the record, as LJS pointed out 'free' healthcare is not free. The doctors get paid through taxation of the general population, and so the cost is distributed amongst everyone, rather than absorbed only by those who are unfortunate enough to develop serious medical problems.

Because it's communist.quiglythegreat

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]

We don't hate it. Most Americans are just mislead to believe that socialized healthcare is bad. Our government (as well as HMOs) has built up propaganda that is used to make us think we have the best healthcare in the world. When actually it sucks.

LJS9502_basic

Actually no. The resistence to socialized medicine comes primarily from the problems inherent in the system.

Problems in the system? Well, every 'system' is sure to have problems. But I don't ever hear anyone in canada or europe complaining about their healthcare system.

Nor are they complaining about high taxes, which is the thing that most people bring up when it comes universal healthcare.

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.quiglythegreat

And what is wrong with communism??

Wow, I knew america sucked, but if americans actualy think that, that comment has made my view of america drop more than I thought it ever could.

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. crazychris

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Problems in the system? Well, every 'system' is sure to have problems. But I don't ever hear anyone in canada or europe complaining about their healthcare system.

Nor are they complaining about high taxes, which is the thing that most people bring up when it comes universal healthcare.

yucky_straw

Then listen harder. They have been complaints in Canada and the UK....not sure about the rest of Europe.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.deadmeat59

Agreed. The British NHS gets to much bad rep. I myself have been in hospital 3 tiems for serious matters and every single time have been treated superbly. No complaints from me.

[QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. bman784

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Low income families are covered by social agencies.

[QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. bman784

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Becuase they get paid more. I'm not saying our system is right.

[QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. pianist

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Yes, because doctors cease caring about patients when universal healthcare is present. :|

For the record, as LJS pointed out 'free' healthcare is not free. The doctors get paid through taxation of the general population, and so the cost is distributed amongst everyone, rather than absorbed only by those who are unfortunate enough to develop serious medical problems.

Right....because all the 'good' doctors in the world only care about making money. Not their professional integrity?

In America, we throw patients out on the street if they can't afford to pay or don't have insurence. Is that what you call 'caring'?

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.mattyftm

And what is wrong with communism??

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.edd678

Agreed. The British NHS gets to much bad rep. I myself have been in hospital 3 tiems for serious matters and every single time have been treated superbly. No complaints from me.

[QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. pianist

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Yes, because doctors cease caring about patients when universal healthcare is present. :|

For the record, as LJS pointed out 'free' healthcare is not free. The doctors get paid through taxation of the general population, and so the cost is distributed amongst everyone, rather than absorbed only by those who are unfortunate enough to develop serious medical problems.

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. LJS9502_basic

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Low income families are covered by social agencies.

Even if we do have to pay taxes its way cheaper then anything the U.S has to offer. I could go to the doctor five times a month and i would be paying nothing when the average American would be paying 200+$ I mean sure i got the taxes but its not near as bad as paying that much just to see the doctor.

All this talk about how our hospitals suck and we got waiting times. That's another load of crap that glenn beck was spurting on CNN. Our doctors are good and are hospitals and clinics are fine. At least its not as bad as

"Hes going to need a kidney transplant do you guys have the money?"

what happens if you dont? Oh he dies......yeah crappy.

Also stop saying our doctors don't care because for one thing they do

Right....because all the 'good' doctors in the world only care about making money. Not their professional integrity?

In America, we throw patients out on the street if they can't afford to pay or don't have insurence. Is that what you call 'caring'?

yucky_straw

I had hoped that the :| would be sufficient to suggest the sarcasm... but it looks like that isn't the case. For the record - yucky and quigly - my post was intended not to support the post I quoted, but to decry it. I am a supporter of universal healthcare.

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="crazychris"]

[QUOTE="bman784"]Because Americans have dreamy ideals of "freedom" and "capitalism", and reject anything that even hints at socialism, even if it's extremely beneficial. LJS9502_basic

I rather pay for a doctor that cares a little bit about me than get a doctor that doesnt give a crap about me for free

Low income families are covered by social agencies.

B F'n S my friend. Ask a poor person what would happen if they got really sick.

I work in a company that does not offer it's warehouse workers medical insurence. Only office employees like myself. They always tell me how they are in pain but can't go to the doctor or denist because they can't afford it. No agency helps them.

Imagine if someone you loved couldn't receive medical help when they are in pain.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.deadmeat59

you do know that hospitals are required to provide emergancy care, money or no money right? i seriously doubt you wouldn't have been saved here.

To a certain extent, yes. But there are still numerous circumstances where care is denied because of an inability to pay, or a lack of insurance. It's not a good system by any measure.
bman784

They can't turn away someone that needs care. You will, however, be sent a bill for the services.

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[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Because it's communist.sca321

And what is wrong with communism??

I would rather live in a leninist russia. Lenin was a genious. Unfortunately stalin took over and ****ed it up big time. Most communist states have been corrupted into totalitarianism. Rather than spreading the wealth the leader keeps all the wealth to himself. Lenins Regime wasn't like this and actualy worked.

i live in canada and watch cnn from time to time. i keep hearing them say no free health care. But why! why do you guys love paying 1000s of $ for somthing we get free. free health care works fine in canada and europe . in america they let people die cus they dont have money or let them lose an arm cus they dont have the cash to get it put back on.deadmeat59

You know the NHS isn't 'free'. We pay considerably more tax on pretty much everything eg $10 (£5) for a gallon of petrol (gas if you must). And the NHS is pretty useless.

It's not free. You pay more taxes than we do partially because you have "free" social services we lack. Elraptor

Personally i love this country's laws and i don't think i could ever live in the U.S. Paying to see a doctor is just not normal......

Just the other day i was watching a movie that was based on a true story when a dad and mom were poor and there kid needed a heart transplant or he would die. Guess what? The family didn't have the money and they threw the kid out like nothing.

Anybody who calls that "Awesome health care" are just.....woah.