Why do people believe you need evidence to disprove a god?

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#101 CreasianDevaili
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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Either you are more backed by evidence or you arent.

If someone tries to "deceive" the other side of being credible, there are ways to sort things out.

Evidence is not fact but an attempted assertion to prelude to such by means of linking aspects to convince another of such. Being more backed by evidence is worthless until you can show that absolution. So I have no idea why you replied aside from that you are insane.

So to you evidence is worth nothing?

Good to know. Keep calling meinsane if that makes you feel better though.

Evidence that has lead no where sure. What... you believe JFK was assassinated by the United States Goverment and there was another guy on the grassy knoll? Well perhaps! There is some evidence to indicate there might of been someone else there. But has that lead to a truth? No. Maybe you should call in to Rush Limbaugh I am sure he'd love to talk with those voices in your head.
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#102 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Evidence is not fact but an attempted assertion to prelude to such by means of linking aspects to convince another of such. Being more backed by evidence is worthless until you can show that absolution. So I have no idea why you replied aside from that you are insane.CreasianDevaili

So to you evidence is worth nothing?

Good to know. Keep calling meinsane if that makes you feel better though.

Evidence that has lead no where sure. What... you believe JFK was assassinated by the United States Goverment and there was another guy on the grassy knoll? Well perhaps! There is some evidence to indicate there might of been someone else there. But has that lead to a truth? No. Maybe you should call in to Rush Limbaugh I am sure he'd love to talk with those voices in your head.

Huh? Are you high?

No one said all evidence (or what can be baptised as evidence) are held to the same standards.

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#103 CreasianDevaili
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So to you evidence is worth nothing?

Good to know. Keep calling meinsane if that makes you feel better though.

Evidence that has lead no where sure. What... you believe JFK was assassinated by the United States Goverment and there was another guy on the grassy knoll? Well perhaps! There is some evidence to indicate there might of been someone else there. But has that lead to a truth? No. Maybe you should call in to Rush Limbaugh I am sure he'd love to talk with those voices in your head.

Huh? Are you high?

No one said all evidence (or what can be baptised as evidence) are held to the same standards.

My initial post said whomever had more evidence. You replied like a idiot would as if what I said was outright wrong. So which is it? Are you an idiot or just stupid?
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#104 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] Evidence that has lead no where sure. What... you believe JFK was assassinated by the United States Goverment and there was another guy on the grassy knoll? Well perhaps! There is some evidence to indicate there might of been someone else there. But has that lead to a truth? No. Maybe you should call in to Rush Limbaugh I am sure he'd love to talk with those voices in your head.CreasianDevaili

Huh? Are you high?

No one said all evidence (or what can be baptised as evidence) are held to the same standards.

My initial post said whomever had more evidence. You replied like a idiot would as if what I said was outright wrong. So which is it? Are you an idiot or just stupid?

No, the post I quoted said "looked [...] more backed by evidence". You yourself corrected me on that one remember? And your reference to that was condescending since it was linked to 'bashing the other side' (paraphrasing here). Either make sure to keep track of your own train of thought or stop replying.

I dont get what kick you get out of being semi-coherent, wrong AND a dick.

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#105 ShadowMoses900
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It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

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#106 wis3boi
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It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

ShadowMoses900

You are so full of sh*t it's amazing :lol:

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#107 SuperKaio-ken
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It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

ShadowMoses900

It also takes faith to claim my imaginary best friend Ted doesn't exist, you cant disprove me so it just must have some truth, am I right? Again, if you want to assert god without evidence the burden of proof is on you, if you cannot support your claim with evidence it can be dismissed without evidence. Your opinion is that "I believe in god because it's the only view that makes logical sense" You go on about how the universe must have had a beginning and a creator/intelligent mind that created everything yet there is not one spec of evidence supporting that claim.

You simply believe it because you have no other explanation. The claim that the universe must have had an intelligent designer has no more validity than saying the Universe doesn't need one. As I posted in another post prior, a counter argument to your argument that the universe needs a creator would be

"

1. Something cannot come from nothing.

2. Somethings exist.

3. The things that currently exist could not have come from not existing.

4. Therefore, the things that currently exist have never not existed.

5. Therefore, everything that exists has always existed.

"

Also it makes me wonder, if everything in your opinion must have had a beginning, than who created god? Wait let me guess, he's exempt from it and doesn't need a creator because he is "beyond our understanding" or something am I right? Seems to be the common argument here.



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#108 ShadowMoses900
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

wis3boi

You are so full of sh*t it's amazing :lol:

If one cannot argue against a point, insults are the next best way to cop out without admitting it.

I raised good points, your just letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. And here I thought atheists were the open minded one's with the high IQ's and everything.....

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#109 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

ShadowMoses900

You are so full of sh*t it's amazing :lol:

If one cannot argue against a point, insults are the next best way to cop out without admitting it.

I raised good points, your just letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. And here I thought atheists were the open minded one's with the high IQ's and everything.....

More irony. I didn't argue back because you'd call it illogical. You own lack of knowledge on the subject is incredibly deep.

We are open minded and caring people, but we have a low tolerance for bullsh*t, which you spew everywhere like vomit. If you wish to be debated honestly and taken seriously, you will want to take time off and actually learn basic scientific methods, among other things. You did not raise valid points, you raised false opinions because of the environment you were raised in and you cannot for one second let go of it in favor of checking out the other side. I really hope you aren't in a university, for if you tried to use this 'logic' of yours in an academic environment for an essay, you'd get an F.

The creator argument is backing yourself into a logical corner. If the universe is so complex that it defies comprehension, therefore a god created it, then something infinitely more complex and incomprehensible had to have created the god....and then again for the thing that created the thing that created god. Your argument explains absolutely NOTHING about the universe, it's just an unending chain of stupid excuses for something which you cannot explain backed by human ego to feel special.

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#110 PinnacleGamingP
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what reason is there not to believe? saying you dont believe is nothing but your pride talking.
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#111 pie-junior
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

ShadowMoses900

You are so full of sh*t it's amazing :lol:

If one cannot argue against a point, insults are the next best way to cop out without admitting it.

I raised good points, your just letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. And here I thought atheists were the open minded one's with the high IQ's and everything.....

The supposed illogical nature of things popping into existence w/o thought and intent would be something that extends to god, aswell. Your thought process creates an infinte loop of intelligent design. There always has to be a creator to the creator. Nobody ever asked ypu 'who made god, then'? -I can do religious threads me-
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#112 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It takes faith to claim God exists just like it takes faith to claim there is no God.

I believe in God because it's the only view that makes logical sense. Obviously the universe and life it'self had to start, it just didn't pop into existence on it's own one day (or the process to start life) all of these things had to have some kind of design behind them.

I believe in science too, but how can you have science and not God? Science has rules and laws, it's like a tool for how the world works. How did these tools and laws form or get here? Not on their own, that would be illogical, the only logical view is that they had some kind of designer behind them.

It's like the evoultion vs creationism debate, it's silly. Maybe God created the process of Evolution and used it to create life with? It is the only view that makes sense.

ShadowMoses900

You are so full of sh*t it's amazing :lol:

If one cannot argue against a point, insults are the next best way to cop out without admitting it.

I raised good points, your just letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. And here I thought atheists were the open minded one's with the high IQ's and everything.....

You forgot to mention how you took debating cIasses in college.

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#113 Blueresident87
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what reason is there not to believe? saying you don't believe is nothing but your pride talking.PinnacleGamingP

What a silly thing to say...what reason is there to believe, for that matter?

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#114 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

You are so full of sh*t it's amazing :lol:

Teenaged

If one cannot argue against a point, insults are the next best way to cop out without admitting it.

I raised good points, your just letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. And here I thought atheists were the open minded one's with the high IQ's and everything.....

You forgot to mention how you took debating cIasses in college.

He wouldn't last 5 minutes in one, I'm guessing

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#115 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

If one cannot argue against a point, insults are the next best way to cop out without admitting it.

I raised good points, your just letting your personal bias cloud your judgment. And here I thought atheists were the open minded one's with the high IQ's and everything.....

wis3boi

You forgot to mention how you took debating cIasses in college.

He wouldn't last 5 minutes in one, I'm guessing

Maybe he would.

By BSing his way out.

But anyway that's just silly. We're being silly atheists that cant win him in a debate and we are just insulting him. >____>

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#116 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]You forgot to mention how you took debating cIasses in college.

Teenaged

He wouldn't last 5 minutes in one, I'm guessing

Maybe he would.

By BSing his way out.

But anyway that's just silly. We're being silly atheists that cant win him in a debate and we are just insulting him. >____>

But I was having fun :cry:

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#117 Assassin_87
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The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim, why is this so hard for some people to grasp?

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It's hard for stupid people to grasp.

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what reason is there not to believe? saying you dont believe is nothing but your pride talking.PinnacleGamingP

What reason is there not to believe in the invisible pink unicorn?

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#119 Greyfeld
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The reason why people who demand proof that God doesn't exist, in the same breath claim that they don't need to provide proof that he does, is because religion is based on faith. A logical person understands that it's silly to believe something exists when there is no proof (or reasonable theory based on external factors), but religion discourages logic and replaces it with faith, which literally means, "Belief that is not based on proof." And that's why it's pointless to have these discussions; because you're dealing with two completely different and irreconcilable view points of the same topic.
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]what reason is there not to believe? saying you don't believe is nothing but your pride talking.Blueresident87

What a silly thing to say...what reason is there to believe, for that matter?

what a simple minded non thinker. because if you dont believe you will be punished by God. theres a reason.
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#121 Zeviander
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I raised good points [...]ShadowMoses900
I didn't see any. But when you blow enough smoke up your ass that it gets hard to see three inches in front of your face, then it is also difficult to know what a "good point" would be at all. But then again, I'm just a closed-minded atheist who hasn't investigated anything, hasn't spent years of his life reading about the countless religions in the would and desperately trying to believe any of them could be telling the truth, and just sit around on forums, dismissing "good points" and listening to devil-music. Well, I can tell you this. I found the "truth" and for me, it came alive in my "soul" (figurative representation of my collected thoughts and experiences) through science and the contemplation of the natural world, and how the very idea of a "God" creating it, especially to be anything more than it is (i.e. with "purpose" or some kind if inherent "value" that makes humans "special" amongst the vast sea of cold hydrogen) diminishes any beauty or elegance it ever had. God is an archaic method of describing the unknown and incomprehensible. It is philosophically lazy, and scientifically useless. The least we could do is try and understand why the brain passes into states of non-consciousness and gives the body feelings of cosmic wholeness. Instead you just write it off as "God" and don't want to know the real, honest truth.
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#122 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="Blueresident87"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]what reason is there not to believe? saying you don't believe is nothing but your pride talking.PinnacleGamingP

What a silly thing to say...what reason is there to believe, for that matter?

what a simple minded non thinker. because if you dont believe you will be punished by God. theres a reason.

they see me trollin...

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#123 Zeviander
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because if you dont believe you will be punished by God.PinnacleGamingP
What is your proof to show this happens? Or do we just accept that without evidence as well?
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#124 Fightingfan
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When you have claims you believe are true, and present then as true, you require evidence or proof to back up your claims to show they are true.
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#125 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]because if you dont believe you will be punished by God.Zeviander
What is your proof to show this happens? Or do we just accept that without evidence as well?

Maybe them living in fear of punishment and hoping to get to a silly afterlife is their punishment for being believers... :shock:

*ba dum tish*

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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]because if you dont believe you will be punished by God.Zeviander
What is your proof to show this happens? Or do we just accept that without evidence as well?

whos talking about proof. i said what reason is there not to believe? if you dont believe, what do you gain... to speak on a lower level. you get to say "you are athiest"? is that it??

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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]because if you dont believe you will be punished by God.PinnacleGamingP

What is your proof to show this happens? Or do we just accept that without evidence as well?

whos talking about proof. i said what reason is there not to believe? if you dont believe, what do you gain... to speak on a lower level. you get to say "you are athiest"? is that it??

you find self confidence in the fact that only you and your friends/family can actually provide help to one another and a realistic view on the world, not to mention it frees up a hell of a lot of time that would otherwise be spent praying and such for no benefit

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#128 TopTierHustler
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Why do people need proof for unicorns?

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#129 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]

What is your proof to show this happens? Or do we just accept that without evidence as well? Zeviander
whos talking about proof. i said what reason is there not to believe? if you dont believe, what do you gain... to speak on a lower level. you get to say "you are athiest"? is that it??

you find self confidence in the fact that only you and your friends/family can actually provide help to one another and a realistic view on the world, not to mention it frees up a hell of a lot of time that would otherwise be spent praying and such for no benefit

self confidence is an individual trait, differing with each person, you can still believe and have self confidence. as for saving more time by not praying? praying is a thing of the mind, a thought, you could save more time by doing what you do usually then, and not think at all, about anything, i guess, cause you sound like an idiot anyways.
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Why do people need proof for unicorns?

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]I raised good points [...]Zeviander
I didn't see any. But when you blow enough smoke up your ass that it gets hard to see three inches in front of your face, then it is also difficult to know what a "good point" would be at all. But then again, I'm just a closed-minded atheist who hasn't investigated anything, hasn't spent years of his life reading about the countless religions in the would and desperately trying to believe any of them could be telling the truth, and just sit around on forums, dismissing "good points" and listening to devil-music. Well, I can tell you this. I found the "truth" and for me, it came alive in my "soul" (figurative representation of my collected thoughts and experiences) through science and the contemplation of the natural world, and how the very idea of a "God" creating it, especially to be anything more than it is (i.e. with "purpose" or some kind if inherent "value" that makes humans "special" amongst the vast sea of cold hydrogen) diminishes any beauty or elegance it ever had. God is an archaic method of describing the unknown and incomprehensible. It is philosophically lazy, and scientifically useless. The least we could do is try and understand why the brain passes into states of non-consciousness and gives the body feelings of cosmic wholeness. Instead you just write it off as "God" and don't want to know the real, honest truth.

What is this?? I mean seriously?? I hope this was directed solely to Shadowmoses and not to all theists. There's nothing that says that just cause you believe in God that you have "given up" on your quest on the real truth. I believe in God (keyword believe). It works best for me in our current situation where we have no clue on these metaphysical issues at all. I'm still searching and if it turns out that there is no God I'll welcome it with open arms. But for now a God feels the most likely to me.

Also how would a God make the universe less elegant?

And the cosmos could hardly be described as a vast sea of hydrogen btw. There's like one hydrogen atom per 4 cubic meters.

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#132 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] whos talking about proof. i said what reason is there not to believe? if you dont believe, what do you gain... to speak on a lower level. you get to say "you are athiest"? is that it??

PinnacleGamingP

you find self confidence in the fact that only you and your friends/family can actually provide help to one another and a realistic view on the world, not to mention it frees up a hell of a lot of time that would otherwise be spent praying and such for no benefit

self confidence is an individual trait, differing with each person, you can still believe and have self confidence. as for saving more time by not praying? praying is a thing of the mind, a thought, you could save more time by doing what you do usually then, and not think at all, about anything, i guess, cause you sound like an idiot anyways.

resorting to insults and dribble....go back to system wars, it's more your level

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#133 maheo30
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Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

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#134 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]because if you dont believe you will be punished by God.PinnacleGamingP

What is your proof to show this happens? Or do we just accept that without evidence as well?

whos talking about proof. i said what reason is there not to believe? if you dont believe, what do you gain... to speak on a lower level. you get to say "you are athiest"? is that it??

You're about 400 years too late buddy.
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#135 themajormayor
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Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30
I don't see any people more stupid though.
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#136 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

you find self confidence in the fact that only you and your friends/family can actually provide help to one another and a realistic view on the world, not to mention it frees up a hell of a lot of time that would otherwise be spent praying and such for no benefit

self confidence is an individual trait, differing with each person, you can still believe and have self confidence. as for saving more time by not praying? praying is a thing of the mind, a thought, you could save more time by doing what you do usually then, and not think at all, about anything, i guess, cause you sound like an idiot anyways.

resorting to insults and dribble....go back to system wars, it's more your level

yea because ive learned not to argue with ppl like you. which is why i said ill speak at a lower level. what i like to talk about is stuff that is true, not argue about whats not. fool.
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#137 wis3boi
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Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

Troll somewhere else

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#139 maheo30
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[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

themajormayor

I don't see any people more stupid though.

That spoke volumes. :shock:

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#140 PinnacleGamingP
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The hour draws nigh. -Allah
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] self confidence is an individual trait, differing with each person, you can still believe and have self confidence. as for saving more time by not praying? praying is a thing of the mind, a thought, you could save more time by doing what you do usually then, and not think at all, about anything, i guess, cause you sound like an idiot anyways.PinnacleGamingP

resorting to insults and dribble....go back to system wars, it's more your level

yea because ive learned not to argue with ppl like you. which is why i said ill speak at a lower level. what i like to talk about is stuff that is true, not argue about whats not. fool.

then you have failed to read the rest of the thread and misunderstand the topic at even a basic level. No need to make yourself look foolish any longer.

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#142 maheo30
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[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

wis3boi

Troll somewhere else

Typical response from someone with the maturity level of a 5 year old.
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#143 AussieePet
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Why do you need evidence to believe in God?
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#144 PinnacleGamingP
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

resorting to insults and dribble....go back to system wars, it's more your level

yea because ive learned not to argue with ppl like you. which is why i said ill speak at a lower level. what i like to talk about is stuff that is true, not argue about whats not. fool.

then you have failed to read the rest of the thread and misunderstand the topic at even a basic level. No need to make yourself look foolish any longer.

yea i didnt read the thread or give a f*ck about the topic whats said was said
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Why do you need evidence to believe in God? AussieePet
thats not the issue. the issue is why do you choose to ignore the evidence that there is One God.
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[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Why do you need evidence to believe in God? PinnacleGamingP
thats not the issue. the issue is why do you choose to ignore the evidence that there is One God.

What evidence?
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

Troll somewhere else

Typical response from someone with the maturity level of a 5 year old.

Says the guy who believes in talking snakes
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[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="AussieePet"]Why do you need evidence to believe in God? themajormayor
thats not the issue. the issue is why do you choose to ignore the evidence that there is One God.

What evidence?

try reading if you truly look for it
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#149 maheo30
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[QUOTE="SuperKaio-ken"]

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

I used to be like you, constantly trying to disprove God's existence and never understanding that belief in God is not a matter of science but is a matter of faith. Either you believe or you don't. It's up to you to believe. I've decided to believe. For me, Yahweh/ Jehovah is real.

BluRayHiDef

Firstly, I'm not trying to "Disprove gods" existence, I just see no compelling reason to believe in one when there is absolutely not one spec of evidence to support the claim of one. I tend to hold the belief that believing in something based off of nothing isn't the smartest thing to do. Now of course you'll have the opposing argument, such as"God is not a matter of science it is a matter of faith" but do you even understand what faith is? It is believing in something without proof, without evidence, and without good reason.

Now you might be willing to do that, but I am not nor will I ever be, because not only do I think it is irrational to do so, I hold that belief it is absolutely absurd to do so. Just because you WISH and WANT something to be true, doesn't mean it is true, nor does it give you a good reason to believe in it. Because you have no reason to believe in something, there is no reason why you should believe, it really is that simple. The point of this topic wasn't to DISPROVE god, the point was that because of there being no reason to believe in god (because it is a claim that is not supported with any sort of revidence) it can be dismissed equally without it.

This is why it is not up to science or anybody to disprove god in the first place, it is up to the person making the claim.

If you're not trying to disprove God's existence, then why did you make this thread? If you think belief in God is so stupid, then why are you concerned with it? Why not just let us foolish people of faith be? As for evidence, the evidence for God is not empirical but spiritual; it's something that people of faith feel in their being. It's not something that can be proven or disproven by physical observations. As I said, it's a matter of faith.

26 ForYOUbehold his calling ofYOU, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth;

27but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame;

28 and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are,

29in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God.

30But it is due to him thatYOUare in union with Christ Jesus, who has become to us wisdom from God, also righteousness and sanctification and release by ransom;

31that it may be just as it is written: He that boasts, let him boast in Jehovah.1 Corinthians 1

I'm going to have disagree with your definition of faith as it is certainly not biblical. The Christian definition of faith is not some blind leap. Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 15,

Now I would remind you, brothers,of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.

Christianity is based on historical fact. God really did enter time in the person of the Son. He lived for 33-34 years. He died. He rose again. The writers themselves claim that if what they believe didn't happen they are fools. Their belief is clearly not some blind leap off a cliff.

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#150 themajormayor
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[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"] thats not the issue. the issue is why do you choose to ignore the evidence that there is One God.PinnacleGamingP
What evidence?

try reading if you truly look for it

I already believe in God. But this is based on my own contemplation. If there is any evidence I'd really like to know about it.