Why do people believe you need evidence to disprove a god?

[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Troll somewhere else

MannyDelgado

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

lx_theo

Just look at his sig. Don't waste your time with him, he's lost.

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

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Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

lx_theo

[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]Says the guy who believes in talking snakesMannyDelgado

The logic is really simple here: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" If you made the claim the world is ending tomorrow it would be up to you to prove it, not up to me to disprove you. The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim, why is this so hard for some people to grasp? Your claim is worthless and pointless if you cant support it with evidence, so why do I see so many religious people asking for Atheists to disprove their beliefs?

SuperKaio-ken

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[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

No one here says that science has all the answers.

I find it sad, but not surprising, that when one expounds upon his own worldview it is called trolling. But then again, we are talking about atheists. :roll:

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] Wow... that whole post consists of an extreme misunderstanding of belief, logic, and reality.

themajormayor

No one here says that science has all the answers.

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[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

It is pretty much assumed and accepted that 'religion' entails belief in the supernatural, so it is a misnomer to refer to atheist as being religious, even if they are irrational. People try to turn the 'insult' back on them, but really have no reason to. Atheist are not religious no matter how you slice, but you can argue that they are irrational.

I find it sad, but not surprising, that when one expounds upon his own worldview it is called trolling. But then again, we are talking about atheists. :roll:

maheo30

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Actually, the reality is the irrational and religious BELIEF that science has all the answers. But then again, atheists are the most religious people I have ever known.

maheo30

No one here says that science has all the answers.

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[QUOTE="lx_theo"] Wow... that whole post consists of an extreme misunderstanding of belief, logic, and reality.

GIJames248

It is pretty much assumed and accepted that 'religion' entails belief in the supernatural, so it is a misnomer to refer to atheist as being religious, even if they are irrational. People try to turn the 'insult' back on them, but really have no reason to. Atheist are not religious no matter how you slice, but you can argue that they are irrational.

Another religion thread....sigh

We really can't say whether God exists or not.

I have my reasons for believing.

I'm not trying to convince people otherwise.

Carry on trying to convince each other they are wrong and blah blah blah while I go pop some popcorn

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Why do you need evidence to believe in God? PinnacleGamingP

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[QUOTE="maheo30"]

Reading through this thread I see people far more relgious than I. They just practice scientism. :?

maheo30

The only "limit" of science is that we don't know if there is potential evidence and data that could lead us to answers that we happen to be physically unable to perceive. That's not a problem with science, that is a problem with humanity. In fact, your own argument there makes it seem idiotic to believe in a god. If that alone is reason enough to throw god out a window, isn't faith in something that lies supposedly entirely out of our perception sound even more idiotic with that same logic? No one really believes that science will be able to give us all the answers, but anyone with common sense would know that it is the only real method we have to gain what truth we can.

Then again, wis3boi is probably right. You do sound like you've lost it with all your own personal logical fallacies driving your entire belief system. Especially how you think that science is based on faith... No, its based on logic and evidence. They happen to both be the opposite of faith.

I find it sad, but not surprising, that when one expounds upon his own worldview it is called trolling. But then again, we are talking about atheists. :roll:

maheo30

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

[QUOTE="maheo30"] Actually, the reality is the irrational and religious BELIEF that science has all the answers. But then again, atheists are the most religious people I have ever known.

Nibroc420

It is pretty much assumed and accepted that 'religion' entails belief in the supernatural, so it is a misnomer to refer to atheist as being religious, even if they are irrational. People try to turn the 'insult' back on them, but really have no reason to. Atheist are not religious no matter how you slice, but you can argue that they are irrational.

I don't believe I said that Atheists are in any way religious (I was intending to say that you cannot call them religious, even if you are trying to point out irrationality in their claims), and it seems that 'religion' is a human phenomena in response to supernatural reality or claims of supernatural reality. You would never call and ardent follower of Nietchzeor Compte a religious person except in a colloquial and joking way, but you would call a Buddhist, Muslem, Christian, Satanists, and etc. a religious person because they have a worldview that is formulated in response to, and around, belief in a supernatural reality.

Edit: Though I suck at proofreading stuff, which perpetually gets me in trouble, so I can see how you might have misunderstood my first post.

[QUOTE="maheo30"]

[QUOTE="lx_theo"] Wow... that whole post consists of an extreme misunderstanding of belief, logic, and reality.

lx_theo

[QUOTE="lx_theo"][QUOTE="maheo30"] Actually, the reality is the irrational and religious BELIEF that science has all the answers. But then again, atheists are the most religious people I have ever known.

maheo30

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] What is this?? I mean seriously?? I hope this was directed solely to Shadowmoses and not to all theists. There's nothing that says that just cause you believe in God that you have "given up" on your quest on the real truth. I believe in God (keyword believe). It works best for me in our current situation where we have no clue on these metaphysical issues at all. I'm still searching and if it turns out that there is no God I'll welcome it with open arms. But for now a God feels the most likely to me.

Also how would a God make the universe less elegant?

And the cosmos could hardly be described as a vast sea of hydrogen btw. There's like one hydrogen atom per 4 cubic meters.Zeviander

Well then we are on the same page. It sounded a bit generalizing at first. But I agree with affirmative theists. Same with affirmative atheists although maybe not to the same extent.

Also in my case I certainly wouldn't call it optimism. I believe in God, but really have no idea what kind of God to believe in. If there is a God and an afterlife then it scares me cause I can't imagine what it would be like. On the other hand the thought of Oblivion is very comforting to me.

Elegance of the universe stems from the ability for it to have come about naturally, without the aid of an intelligence. But this is a largely subjective idea anyways and largely irrelevant.

I don't think either is more elegant than the other really. But as you say it's very subjective.

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. The "sea" is merely a matter of scale and perspective (i.e. water molecules in ocean water are a certain distance apart too... but the oceans are smaller than the Earth. Perhaps we need a mathematician to give us the ratio between total volume vs. average distance between atoms).

I got your point though. Just some nitpicking. Well as you know elements of visible matter only constitutes like 5% of the universe. I saw an example that if you have a huge cathedral then 3 tiny pebbles would represent the ratio of atoms per volume.

To me, the idea of believing that "God did it" and thinking that we don't need to find all the answers (despite that being impossible) is a behavior standing in direct contrast to human nature. I want to know why I had the experiences I did and how they work... I don't just want to settle for the "it was God" answer that religion purports and then tells me me "it's okay to settle for this answer".

Yeah I agree 100% but while this might be the case with many theists it's not something which is inherent to theism in any way. You can believe in God and not settle with that. Since it is just that, a belief. I think there is a God but let's find out. Just sitting there doing nothing won't get you to the answer. It's like you believe there is a treasure on some island but what good does it do unless you go there and find out? Maybe a bad analogy. But that's how I think.

Yeah I agree 100% but while this might be the case with many theists it's not something which is inherent to theism in any way. You can believe in God and not settle with that. Since it is just that, a belief. I think there is a God but let's find out. Just sitting there doing nothing won't get you to the answer. It's like you believe there is a treasure on some island but what good does it do unless you go there and find out? Maybe a bad analogy. But that's how I think.themajormayor

I find it sad, but not surprising, that when one expounds upon his own worldview it is called trolling. But then again, we are talking about atheists. :roll:

maheo30

I already believe in God. But this is based on my own contemplation. If there is any evidence I'd really like to know about it.

themajormayor

Just look around you. It's all there.

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don't see why people put so much stock into what others believe in.

that has accomplished absolutely nothing.LiftedHeadshot

don't see why people put so much stock into what others believe in.

Chris_Williams

[QUOTE="maheo30"][QUOTE="MannyDelgado"]*sigh* I can't be bothered and it's late, so I'm just going to ask: do you, or do you not, believe that there was literally a talking snake?MannyDelgado

He uses big words and says nothing, and just look at his sig....he's either really off his rocker, shallow, an epic troll, or all the above

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tocool340

best facepalm gif ever made. Cosby FTW

Why do you need evidence to believe in God? AussieePet

Why should I need to prove anything to you when you are the one calling me stupid for believing in God for whatever reason I have to believe.

I'm not telling you to believe, you're telling me I'm stupid for believing, therefore you should provide evidence against me.

[QUOTE="AussieePet"]Why do you need evidence to believe in God? SuperKaio-ken

Are there definite evidence of ghosts? And luck, and fate, and coincidence? Not really, but there are cases that make it seem likely. People believe in God for a lot of different reasons, they don't just believe for no reason, or because someone tells them to (maybe naive children?) It's up to whoever believes to come up with an individual reason why they believe in God, not everyone is the same. Some people just think there is something else out there, and that is God.

The logic is really simple here: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" If you made the claim the world is ending tomorrow it would be up to you to prove it, not up to me to disprove you. The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim, why is this so hard for some people to grasp? Your claim is worthless and pointless if you cant support it with evidence, so why do I see so many religious people asking for Atheists to disprove their beliefs?

SuperKaio-ken

[QUOTE="SuperKaio-ken"]

The logic is really simple here: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" If you made the claim the world is ending tomorrow it would be up to you to prove it, not up to me to disprove you. The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim, why is this so hard for some people to grasp? Your claim is worthless and pointless if you cant support it with evidence, so why do I see so many religious people asking for Atheists to disprove their beliefs?

II_Seraphim_II

Some people just think there is something else out there, and that is God.gotdangit

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="SuperKaio-ken"]

The logic is really simple here: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence" If you made the claim the world is ending tomorrow it would be up to you to prove it, not up to me to disprove you. The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim, why is this so hard for some people to grasp? Your claim is worthless and pointless if you cant support it with evidence, so why do I see so many religious people asking for Atheists to disprove their beliefs?

champion837

[QUOTE="gotdangit"]Some people just think there is something else out there, and that is God.Zeviander

You are assuming there is one vision of god for everyone who believes in concept.

You are assuming there is one vision of god for everyone who believes in concept.Ilovegames1992

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="gotdangit"]Some people just think there is something else out there, and that is God.Ilovegames1992

You are assuming there is one vision of god for everyone who believes in concept.