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#151 Dracargen
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No, that would be the human-made philosophy-given right -- from John Locke, for example -- in the alternative. Granted, religious states before him did not generally believe in human rights considering that most were monarchies, so I doubt the tenure of your statement that the right is God-given and instead feel that that is a later interpretation. And I am going to complain if they try to control what is taught in schools, such as what happened in our state last month. :)CptJSparrow

I don't keep up with public school affairs. What exactly happened?

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Because people in schools keep learning about the things that 'may' prove evolution, but they dont hear about all the facts that disprove it too. There are 2 sides to the story.

Like: some sort of shrew/rat creature was 'supposed' to evole into a bat, but it would have to slowly grow wings over a long period of time. These wings in the development stage wouldn't allow the creature to fly, but it also wouldn't let the creature walk or grab things, so it would have just died out before it evolved.

There should be billions of fossils of creatures in transitional form between 2 different species around the world, but not a single one has ever been found.

There's way more things that have been discovered to disprove evolution, so that's why alot of people dont believe in it

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, that would be the human-made philosophy-given right -- from John Locke, for example -- in the alternative. Granted, religious states before him did not generally believe in human rights considering that most were monarchies, so I doubt the tenure of your statement that the right is God-given and instead feel that that is a later interpretation. And I am going to complain if they try to control what is taught in schools, such as what happened in our state last month. :)Dracargen

I don't keep up with public school affairs. What exactly happened?

The state took a vote on whether or not they should include evolution in the public school curriculum statewide -- the previous curriculum simply said "change over time. Religious fundamentalists tried very hard to get intelligent design back in the school system -- I don't know when it was dropped, but my district got rid of it in 2006 and was the first to do so -- but ultimately the agreement was on "the scientific theory of evolution."
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[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, that would be the human-made philosophy-given right -- from John Locke, for example -- in the alternative. Granted, religious states before him did not generally believe in human rights considering that most were monarchies, so I doubt the tenure of your statement that the right is God-given and instead feel that that is a later interpretation. And I am going to complain if they try to control what is taught in schools, such as what happened in our state last month. :)CptJSparrow

I don't keep up with public school affairs. What exactly happened?

The state took a vote on whether or not they should include evolution in the public school curriculum statewide -- the previous curriculum simply said "change over time. Religious fundamentalists tried very hard to get intelligent design back in the school system -- I don't know when it was dropped, but my district got rid of it in 2006 and was the first to do so -- but ultimately the agreement was on "the scientific theory of evolution."

It should be in the school system--not science, but social studies or philosophy or something like that.

Isn't "change over time" what evolution is?

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#155 CptJSparrow
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It should be in the school system--not science, but social studies or philosophy or something like that.

Isn't "change over time" what evolution is?

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I think that it should be in science class, as an example in a lecture about what a scientific theory is and is not, with creationism being the invalid theory that does not conform to the scientific method. And evolution can be interpreted as "change over time," but the point is that we were not fully teaching the theory and were using different phrases in order to appease the less scientific crowd. Technically "the scientific theory of evolution" is also an appeasement, considering that the other theories are not labeled as such, though it is also technically correct.
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People deny it because it doesn't go along with their beliefs. An example is that I come from a backround of Catholocism that goes against on how human species began.
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] No, that would be the human-made philosophy-given right -- from John Locke, for example -- in the alternative. Granted, religious states before him did not generally believe in human rights considering that most were monarchies, so I doubt the tenure of your statement that the right is God-given and instead feel that that is a later interpretation. And I am going to complain if they try to control what is taught in schools, such as what happened in our state last month. :)Dracargen

I don't keep up with public school affairs. What exactly happened?

The state took a vote on whether or not they should include evolution in the public school curriculum statewide -- the previous curriculum simply said "change over time. Religious fundamentalists tried very hard to get intelligent design back in the school system -- I don't know when it was dropped, but my district got rid of it in 2006 and was the first to do so -- but ultimately the agreement was on "the scientific theory of evolution."

It should be in the school system--not science, but social studies or philosophy or something like that.

Isn't "change over time" what evolution is?

This is the case in the UK, we all have Religious Studies and Philosophy classes.

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#158 CptJSparrow
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This is the case in the UK, we all have Religious Studies and Philosophy classes.

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Perhaps I would have a better chance at getting a job in the UK, then.
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#159 jim_shorts
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Because it hasn't been proven.
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Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts
It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.
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Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts
It's as proven as well as gravity,what about it hasn't been proven exactly? :?
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#162 jim_shorts
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. CptJSparrow
It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.
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#163 deactivated-5967f36c08c33
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I'm undecided on evolution myself.
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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts
It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

And evolution hasn't been observed? I think you need to pick up a book on the subject...

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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. dainjah1010

It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

And evolution hasn't been observed? I think you need to pick up a book on the subject...

Considering it takes millions of years for something to evolve, I highly doubt that it's been observed.
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because its a flawed science
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Because people in schools keep learning about the things that 'may' prove evolution, but they dont hear about all the facts that disprove it too. There are 2 sides to the story.

Like: some sort of shrew/rat creature was 'supposed' to evole into a bat, but it would have to slowly grow wings over a long period of time. These wings in the development stage wouldn't allow the creature to fly, but it also wouldn't let the creature walk or grab things, so it would have just died out before it evolved.

There should be billions of fossils of creatures in transitional form between 2 different species around the world, but not a single one has ever been found.

There's way more things that have been discovered to disprove evolution, so that's why alot of people dont believe in it

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Please, I've yet to hear a creationist "argument" that couldn't be completely torn apart by science. The fact of the matter is that our schools don't do a good enough job when it comes to teaching evolutionary theory and/or logic seeing as how we have creationists. Its a sad irony that creationists think they know all there is to know about evolution when the reality is that they know absolutely nothing about evolution much less biology or any science for that matter.

For example, let's take the above poster as an example of a creationist who has no idea what they're talking about:

"No transitional fossils have ever been found"

Say hello to Onychonycteris finneyi, the earliest known ancestor to the bat and widely considered to be the "link" between terrestial mammals and bats:

"The clawed bat part refers to one of the many intermediate features that make Onychonycteris the most primitive bat species ever described. In all current and prior fossil species of bats, most of the digits in the wing lack the claws typical of mammalian digits. That's not the case here: all Onychonycteris digits end in claws. The hind limbs are also unusually long, as is the tail, but the limb contains a feature that suggests the presence of a skin flap between the hind limbs and the body.

The relatively short wings and long hindlimbs place Onychonycteris outside of all previous bat species in terms of the ratio between its limbs. In fact, a plot of this ratio puts the fossil species neatly between bats and long-armed creatures like sloths—exactly what would be expected from a species at the base of the bat lineage. The authors argue that the configuration of its limbs, combined with the claws, suggests that it would be powerful climber, able to easily scramble around trees when not flying."

But hey, maybe that's not enough. Well, then how about the horse?

Or maybe that still isn't enough. Well, here's a web page that lists many transitional fossils for all types of veterbrates: link

But the whole idea that creationists have of a "missing link" is rather misguided. While we can find transitional forms its not like we can ever find every single one since evolution is so gradual. For example, here's a picture of a person:

And here's another picture of that same person:

Now, we can find various intermediate steps between this picture and the first one:

But we're never going to find the precise moment where the baby turns into the current, present day form. Same thing with fossils. Its absurd to say that we can find the exact instant that an ape turned into a human. Especially considering that fossilization is an extremely rare phenomena, so rare in fact that we almost never find a complete skeleton of any organism.

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Considering it takes millions of years for something to evolve, I highly doubt that it's been observed.jim_shorts
Our species is currently evolving. Cats are currently evolving. Every time genetic information is passed from one generation to the next, "evolution" is occurring. A species stops evolving when that species goes extinct.. the species' extinction, however, may have an impact on its former environment for a while. Example; if humans were to go extinct, we'd stop evolving.. but the effect of our extinction would drastically change this biosphere.
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[QUOTE="dainjah1010"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts

It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

And evolution hasn't been observed? I think you need to pick up a book on the subject...

Considering it takes millions of years for something to evolve, I highly doubt that it's been observed.

It only took some bacteria less than 50 years to be able to digest nylon...

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#170 dainjah1010
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because its a flawed scienceFuzzman38

care to explain these flaws?

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts
It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

As can evolution. Regardless, the Big Bang cannot be observed, but it has been proven -- thus observation of an event is not always necessary to prove that it occurred. We have never observed dinosaurs alive, yet we know that they once lived -- thus observation of an event is not always necessary to prove that it occurred.
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[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. CptJSparrow
It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

As can evolution. Regardless, the Big Bang cannot be observed, but it has been proven -- thus observation of an event is not always necessary to prove that it occurred. We have never observed dinosaurs alive, yet we know that they once lived -- thus observation of an event is not always necessary to prove that it occurred.

Oh, I know. I'm not completely against evolution myself, I'm more of a fencesitter really.
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I love how he says there's no evidence for creation and so much for evolution, and he doesn't even give one fact about each. Where are your sources at my friend? I'm guessing you spent one too many days in public school.
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If you wish to observe evolution, look at the Galapagos Islands, and observe the differences in the finches like Darwn did. All of the islands are the same climate, atmosphere, and environment. And yet, the finches are of different sizes, and their beaks are shaped and sized differently. But why would they be different if they are all in the same environment? Evolution. They all share a common ancestor, which probably migrated over to the islands, and then as time went on, different mutations in the genetic code, led to natural selection to decide which trait was beneficial or not. And so some finch long ago had an unusually big beak, or a very long beak. And these traits became beneficial to the finch, so that finch could survive longer and have more offspring. This eventually made the finch a whole new species, as it was so different from the original finch.
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I love how he says there's no evidence for creation and so much for evolution, and he doesn't even give one fact about each. Where are your sources at my friend? I'm guessing you spent one too many days in public school.mohfrontline

He did try to give facts it's just that they were only facts to him. Personally I'm wondering when he's going to post more of his so called "evidence" so I can rip those apart too.

Note I was referring to OliveMaster, which I assume was who you were referring to.

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#176 CptJSparrow
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I love how he says there's no evidence for creation and so much for evolution, and he doesn't even give one fact about each. Where are your sources at my friend? I'm guessing you spent one too many days in public school.mohfrontline
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[QUOTE="dainjah1010"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts

It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

And evolution hasn't been observed? I think you need to pick up a book on the subject...

Considering it takes millions of years for something to evolve, I highly doubt that it's been observed.

It can be observed in dna/the fossil record.
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It can be observed in dna/the fossil record.yoshi-lnex

Or you could observe some live instances of speciation and adaptation, links of which can be found on CptJSparrow's list of evidence for evolution.

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"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

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I don't understand, there is so much evidence for evolution, and none for creationism, I really can't understand why people would choose to pretend it doesn't exist.Thanatos1337
Creationism is based on faith in God. If you believe God did that, you don't believe in evolution. You believe in creationism.
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"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

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But science does answer those questions. Evolution theory has come a long way since Darwin.
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#182 makaveli2344
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Because its contradictory to their beliefs.
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"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

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We know a large portion of what you stated.. but you know more than every scientist on Earth so please.. explain how man evolved from Apes (which evolutionary theory never states, by the way. It says we share a common ancestor with apes.) But again, you know more than every scientist on Earth, so explain--using the torah and old testament--how humans evolved from apes.

Oh and the have your explanation published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. If what you say is true, this is what scientists have been looking for this whole time and they would have no problem publishing it.
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

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But science does answer those questions. Evolution theory has come a long way since Darwin.

But it still holds many questions,like the ones i stated,science does not hold a universal 100% answer for how humans began on this planet,how they supposedly evolved,it is speculation by many researchers,they each hold different views,they each contain there own holes that others try to fill.

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But it still holds many questions,like the ones i stated,science does not hold a universal 100% answer for how humans began on this planet,how they supposedly evolved,it is speculation by many researchers,they each hold different views,they each contain there own holes that others try to fill.

blacktorn
There are always holes in science, it is not omniscient. However, there is enough evidence to suggest that every species on Earth shares a common ancestor.
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[QUOTE="dainjah1010"]

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"][QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"]Because it hasn't been proven. jim_shorts

It has been proved no less than gravitation. Your point is moot.

Gravitation can be observed however.

And evolution hasn't been observed? I think you need to pick up a book on the subject...

Considering it takes millions of years for something to evolve, I highly doubt that it's been observed.

The "It hasn't been observed argument" is intensely flawed, we haven't observed the splitting of the atom, the flow of electricity, the movement of our galaxy, or the movement of planets around the Sun, yet something tells me you accept them.

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#187 Riverspirit
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"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn

While it is an opinion that there is alot of evidence for Evolution. Apes didn't evolve into humans because they evolved in different ways than the human did. Humans were indeed once apes, but they evolved to have very weak and slow bodies, but they are very intelligent, so their tools are more complex and useful. While the ape evolved to be more intelligent than most animals, but they are still fast and strong enough to escape from physical encounters. Darwin does explain this, it isn't simply that bacteria=ape=human. There are many more species that break off from the original ancestor, not a single path from the ancestor to the human, many more organisms come from that ancestor.

Animals have their own form of languages and speech, it is simply because humans are so intelligent that they can create different languages as both a means of communication and to be able to communicate in a way that only they can understand. Many of the things we create, are just more complex and elaborate versions of things that can be seen in nature itself.

Oh, and please explain how genetic tests are able to show the similarities in ape and human DNA, by looking at the nitrogenous base sequneces, are simply a speculation?

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"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn
The way you put it sounds like you're saying that humans evolved from modern apes which is not what scientists think. We share common ancestors with a species of ape or ape-like mammals that no longer exists millions of years ago with the great apes. Big differences. Although we might not know exactly how it happened like what enviromental changes, mutations occured along the way, but the fact of the matter is that it did happen.
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#189 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

DeeJayInphinity

We know a large portion of what you stated.. but you know more than every scientist on Earth so please.. explain how man evolved from Apes (which evolutionary theory never states, by the way. It says we share a common ancestor with apes.) But again, you know more than every scientist on Earth, so explain--using the torah and old testament--how humans evolved from apes.

Why do you have to be childish?

Science holds evidence for some things,and as a believer of religion i have looked up the "evidence" pint of view,and ok there is evidence for some things,of course there would be,things happen for a reason,but science in no way answers how humans were born into this world and how we developed to the beings we are today,i guess this is the reason why you have scientists who are christian ect,.Also it's fairly ignorant to just assume science holds a definite answer for our creation,it by no means does,you just gotta read up wiki and various other sources to know that there is alot of dispute on how we came to being.If you don't believe in god then i guess your going to believe science does hold a definite answer for everything,or that one scientists assumptions = truth.

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We were about to have one peaceful day in OT without religious or evolutionist threads... thanks for ruining that.
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"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn

Science does answer those questions. Apes still exist because A) they aren't our ancestors, B) they're well suited to their environment. Species only die out when they're no longer well suited to their environment. Language production has been tracked through evolution and though we don't know how exactly it originates (that's one of the big questions in psychology) we know how language can mutate/evolve and there are some hypotheses on how it originates in the first place.

Also, you're very misinformed on what Mitochondrial Eve and y-chromosomal adam mean. ME is the term given to the earliest traceable female ancestor of a species and YCA is the paternal version of that. This, however, does not mean that they were the first members of that species but rather that they're as far back as we can go through genetics. For example, the human ME lived 14,000 years ago which is much about 146,000 years too young to have been the progenator of homo saipen. Furthermore YCA and ME are not related, at least not directly. The human YCA, for example, lived 60,000 years ago which is 46,000 years too old to have ever had any relations with ME but is still 90,000 years to young to be the father of all humans. And if you're a young earth creationist then this conflicts with your beliefs and you can't use it as proof of the bible anyway because ME is 4x the age that you think the universe is and YCA is 15x as old.

Btw, how does your religion answer these questions? Last I checked the explanation for languages in the bible was that people pissed off god by building the Tower of Babel. There's three problems with this explanation:

1. If god got pissed off because a primative tower was too tall then why hasn't he unleashed armageddon upon us for the countless number of skyscrapers that exist today, all of which would certainly be much, much taller than anything an ancient civilization could have built.

2. The tower of babel never existed

3. This story still doesn't explain how language first developed, merely how it changed to give us the various world languages of today. Only problem is that science answers this same question completely and much more logically.

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#192 Riverspirit
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No one and nothing, can explain eveything that involves the Earth ever (except for god, if you believe in him/her or not.) Humans have been live long enough for us to be only 1/14th of a second, if the Earth's history was put into an hour. We are the new kids on the block here, and you honestly expect us to be able to find out billions of years worth of information in that time? We can explain animal life through evolution, yes, but animals are only a few minutes on that hour worth of history.
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#193 Mr_sprinkles
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn

We know a large portion of what you stated.. but you know more than every scientist on Earth so please.. explain how man evolved from Apes (which evolutionary theory never states, by the way. It says we share a common ancestor with apes.) But again, you know more than every scientist on Earth, so explain--using the torah and old testament--how humans evolved from apes.

Why do you have to be childish?

Science holds evidence for some things,and as a believer of religion i have looked up the "evidence" pint of view,and ok there is evidence for some things,of course there would be,things happen for a reason,but science in no way answers how humans were born into this world and how we developed to the beings we are today,i guess this is the reason why you have scientists who are christian ect,.Also it's fairly ignorant to just assume science holds a definite answer for our creation,it by no means does,you just gotta read up wiki and various other sources to know that there is alot of dispute on how we came to being.If you don't believe in god then i guess your going to believe science does hold a definite answer for everything,or that one scientists assumptions = truth.

We still have no idea how humans evolved. A huge gap in evolutionary history.

...Oh what, the picture? probably some sort of coincedence.

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#194 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

Riverspirit

While it is an opinion that there is alot of evidence for Evolution. Apes didn't evolve into humans because they evolved in different ways than the human did. Humans were indeed once apes, but they evolved to have very weak and slow bodies, but they are very intelligent, so their tools are more complex and useful. While the ape evolved to be more intelligent than most animals, but they are still fast and strong enough to escape from physical encounters. Darwin does explain this, it isn't simply that bacteria=ape=human. There are many more species that break off from the original ancestor, not a single path from the ancestor to the human, many more organisms come from that ancestor.

Animals have their own form of languages and speech, it is simply because humans are so intelligent that they can create different languages as both a means of communication and to be able to communicate in a way that only they can understand. Many of the things we create, are just more complex and elaborate versions of things that can be seen in nature itself.

Oh, and please explain how genetic tests are able to show the similarities in ape and human DNA, by looking at the nitrogenous base sequneces, are simply a speculation?

Everything you said is again an opinion,there isn't a universally hold view amongst scientists that prove how we "split" from the monkey family,the origin of language also has many disputes,going from simple sounds of ape grunts to using words and a language is a gigantic difference,thus why science doesn't actually provide one real answer,it does provide answers on the necessary equipment used for humans to make the different pitches of noise that we do,but how we actually started to use language is not know at all,at least from a science-evidence point of view.

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#195 DeeJayInphinity
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Why do you have to be childish?

blacktorn
What exactly are you referring to?

science in no way answers how humans were born into this world and how we developed to the beings we are todayblacktorn
Evolutionary theory makes predictions as to how we evolved and they're all proving to be true. If you'd like to know more about human evolution, you can go to this wiki and start reading: wiki And because most of the people on these internets forget all about references, I'll have to remind you of them. There are about 40 in that article, and you can do some additional googling for even more information. In addition to that, you can go to your local library, where it is likely that there are a couple of textbooks entirely dedicated to the evolution of man. If not, there is always amazon.com and any other online merchant you can think of that has textbooks on sale. An argument based on your own ignorance is not a very good argument. You may not know how humans evolved from other lifeforms, but some scientists have a decent understanding of it.

,i guess this is the reason why you have scientists who are christian ect,blacktorn
My "favorite" biologist is a catholic; Kenneth R. Miller, go do some research on him.

.Also it's fairly ignorant to just assume science holds a definite answer for our creation,it by no means does,blacktorn
I have not made that assumption.

you just gotta read up wiki and various other sources to know that there is alot of dispute on how we came to being.blacktorn
There is a lot of dispute regarding the specifics.. however, there is no dispute about us evolving from another species. It is scientifically accepted that all species on Earth evolved from simpler forms of life which themselves evolved from molecular structures that were able to become more complex over time.

If you don't believe in god then i guess your going to believe science does hold a definite answer for everything,or that one scientists assumptions = truth.

blacktorn
Uh no, I know that science will never hold all of the answers to every question ever asked, and I agree that there are questions that science cannot answer (such as, is there a supernatural force), you are just making blind assumptions about my character and what I believe. I consider that to be very "childish."
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#196 blacktorn
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[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

C_Town_Soul

The way you put it sounds like you're saying that humans evolved from modern apes which is not what scientists think. We share common ancestors with a species of ape or ape-like mammals that no longer exists millions of years ago with the great apes. Big differences. Although we might not know exactly how it happened like what enviromental changes, mutations occured along the way, but the fact of the matter is that it did happen.

Mmmm isn't mitochondrial eve 140,000 years old? A.k.A the mother to all humans,the gene that defined all of us today?

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[QUOTE="Riverspirit"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn

While it is an opinion that there is alot of evidence for Evolution. Apes didn't evolve into humans because they evolved in different ways than the human did. Humans were indeed once apes, but they evolved to have very weak and slow bodies, but they are very intelligent, so their tools are more complex and useful. While the ape evolved to be more intelligent than most animals, but they are still fast and strong enough to escape from physical encounters. Darwin does explain this, it isn't simply that bacteria=ape=human. There are many more species that break off from the original ancestor, not a single path from the ancestor to the human, many more organisms come from that ancestor.

Animals have their own form of languages and speech, it is simply because humans are so intelligent that they can create different languages as both a means of communication and to be able to communicate in a way that only they can understand. Many of the things we create, are just more complex and elaborate versions of things that can be seen in nature itself.

Oh, and please explain how genetic tests are able to show the similarities in ape and human DNA, by looking at the nitrogenous base sequneces, are simply a speculation?

Everything you said is again an opinion,there isn't a universally hold view amongst scientists that prove how we "split" from the monkey family,the origin of language also has many disputes,going from simple sounds of ape grunts to using words and a language is a gigantic difference,thus why science doesn't actually provide one real answer,it does provide answers on the necessary equipment used for humans to make the different pitches of noise that we do,but how we actually started to use language is not know at all,at least from a science-evidence point of view.

No, but those are widely accepted understandings of how we evolved and developed speech. And science isn't really meant to have one dominant view, the whole idea is to question what we know to improve upon our understanding.

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#198 C_Town_Soul
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[QUOTE="Riverspirit"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn

While it is an opinion that there is alot of evidence for Evolution. Apes didn't evolve into humans because they evolved in different ways than the human did. Humans were indeed once apes, but they evolved to have very weak and slow bodies, but they are very intelligent, so their tools are more complex and useful. While the ape evolved to be more intelligent than most animals, but they are still fast and strong enough to escape from physical encounters. Darwin does explain this, it isn't simply that bacteria=ape=human. There are many more species that break off from the original ancestor, not a single path from the ancestor to the human, many more organisms come from that ancestor.

Animals have their own form of languages and speech, it is simply because humans are so intelligent that they can create different languages as both a means of communication and to be able to communicate in a way that only they can understand. Many of the things we create, are just more complex and elaborate versions of things that can be seen in nature itself.

Oh, and please explain how genetic tests are able to show the similarities in ape and human DNA, by looking at the nitrogenous base sequneces, are simply a speculation?

Everything you said is again an opinion,there isn't a universally hold view amongst scientists that prove how we "split" from the monkey family,the origin of language also has many disputes,going from simple sounds of ape grunts to using words and a language is a gigantic difference,thus why science doesn't actually provide one real answer,it does provide answers on the necessary equipment used for humans to make the different pitches of noise that we do,but how we actually started to use language is not know at all,at least from a science-evidence point of view.

as i said before, because scientists may not know exactly 100% how we split from our ape ancestors millions of years ago doesn't deny the fact that we have the evidence that it did happen.
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[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="jaydough"] I don't deny it. It just didn't happen. As far as I'm concerned, atheism and darwinism is the same as christianity, buddhism, etc. jaydough
The evidence and research says otherwise...

The research is based on if atheism/darwinism is correct. Nothing can be proved except your own existence.

Evolution has nothing to do with atheism :|, evolution just debunks the creationist stories that god created us in our current form.. Nothing more nothing less.. Could people be more misinformed?

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#200 C_Town_Soul
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[QUOTE="C_Town_Soul"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

"So much evidence" is an opinion,there are many many things science can't answer about how humans evolved from apes,all the work that Charles Darwin did still leaves many open gaps.Such as how apes still exist,why didn't they evolve,how we produced languages between each other and developed speech,then there's the science version of eve and Adam,so called Mitochondrial eve and y-chromosomal ada,which is apparently the original mother and father of the human race,a.k.a the Gene's that separated Us Humans from apes,but it's simply speculations and science doesn't even answer it's own questions,which is ironic.

However religion does answer these questions,at least the Torah/old testament does.

blacktorn

The way you put it sounds like you're saying that humans evolved from modern apes which is not what scientists think. We share common ancestors with a species of ape or ape-like mammals that no longer exists millions of years ago with the great apes. Big differences. Although we might not know exactly how it happened like what enviromental changes, mutations occured along the way, but the fact of the matter is that it did happen.

Mmmm isn't mitochondrial eve 140,000 years old? A.k.A the mother to all humans,the gene that defined all of us today?

there were other hominid species that came before humans but after the split from the branch to the great apes.