Why does this site bash religion all the time?

Because it is a forum, it is about discussion. People ahould leave political correctness at the door, and if they're scared of being offended don't enter.

I'll reiterate my point earlier, i wouldn't be as much of a jackass to go to my local church and to criticise religious beliefs.

MetalGear_Ninty

Though in regard to your church idea.....bashing is bashing no matter where it's done. And it isn't right to do so.

No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Kamekazi_69

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

Yeah theres been too many religion threads recently...

chill people, believe whatever you want to believe.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am not criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Funky_Llama

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

[QUOTE="tofu-lion91"]Actually there is a lot of anti-atheist threads as well and we don't bash religon or atheism, we question it.Kamekazi_69

No-one is. This is a forum discussion, no-one's bashing anyone. It's more about questioning really. Saying to someone that they think God isn't real isn't bashing at all, neither is saying I think God is real is bashing atheism.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am not criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Kamekazi_69

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

To quote you: "Many of todays serial killers are Atheist. No wonder they are because they take that image "since there is no god, Im not going to be punished" for themselves."

That's a criticism of atheism; namely, the lack of guarantee of punishment for sins. Besides which, you've still failed to demonstrate why religion shouldn't be criticised.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="tofu-lion91"]Actually there is a lot of anti-atheist threads as well and we don't bash religon or atheism, we question it.tofu-lion91

No-one is. This is a forum discussion, no-one's bashing anyone. It's more about questioning really. Saying to someone that they think God isn't real isn't bashing at all, neither is saying I think God is real is bashing atheism.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

Because it is a forum, it is about discussion. People ahould leave political correctness at the door, and if they're scared of being offended don't enter.

I'll reiterate my point earlier, i wouldn't be as much of a jackass to go to my local church and to criticise religious beliefs.

LJS9502_basic

Though in regard to your church idea.....bashing is bashing no matter where it's done. And it isn't right to do so.

But by entering a forum, and entering a religion topic, they should expect their beliefs to be criticised.

I just don't see why beliefs should be immune from criticism. Criticising others beliefs and attitudes stimulates intellectual discussion.

do you smell gasoline? because i sure domlbslugger86

Yes, that is absolutely fine. In fact, people already do that.
Neither are you. I did not say "bash," did I?DeeJayInphinity

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"]Religion always should be open to criticism. Kamekazi_69

But you were trying to argue that we should stop criticising religion. Backing down, I see.

:roll: Ugh... I never, not once, claimed that you shouldn't criticise atheism. Quit it with the straw man arguments. And by the way, whether you want it to stop is irrelevant to whether it should stop.

You are not actually questioning atheism. It seems like you are you fighting for your right to question/criticize atheism, but guess what, you already have it. Just ask something! That would be a good start.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"] Yes, that is absolutely fine. In fact, people already do that.
Neither are you. I did not say "bash," did I?LJS9502_basic

:roll: You have criticised others' beliefs, as we have pointed out previously. You can't now whine about beliefs being criticised. Your position is untenable.

But by entering a forum, and entering a religion topic, they should expect their beliefs to be criticised.

I just don't see why beliefs should be immune from criticism. Criticising others beliefs and attitudes stimulates intellectual discussion.

MetalGear_Ninty

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"] Yes, that is absolutely fine. In fact, people already do that.
Neither are you. I did not say "bash," did I?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"] Yes, that is absolutely fine. In fact, people already do that.
Neither are you. I did not say "bash," did I?Funky_Llama

:roll: You have criticised others' beliefs, as we have pointed out previously. You can't now whine about beliefs being criticised. Your position is untenable.

General Mao, Joseph Stalin, Ed Gein, Polpot are All atheist!!

Kamekazi_69

Hitler was a christian.

Religion or Atheism is never the cause of any killing, the human mind works in a way so that we don't want to kill each-other unless your insane or its about survival.

BTW if you think that believing in god is the only thing stopping people from killing each-other you seriously need to see a Psychologist, because if you are going around thinking about killing people and the only thing stopping you is thinking of the punishment you will receive after death then you are clearly not functioning properly in the head.

Criticism does not restrict freedom. Does me saying that I don't like gamespot's default color scheme restrict their freedom to have it?
Criticism is still not bashing. Bashing is on another level. Criticism is simply questioning something, or finding fault with it. You are finding fault in something every day, which is why you don't believe everything that comes at you. Do you think that's wrong, or do you believe anything that comes your way?DeeJayInphinity

And I still fail to see why it matters what someone else believes. I don't agree with your beliefs....but I've never criticized you for them.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

General Mao, Joseph Stalin, Ed Gein, Polpot are All atheist!!

Jarneklo

Hitler was a christian.

Once upon a time a pickle grew legs, then some arms then a few eyes. The pickle was sad because it couldn't talk, so the guy at the pickle factory felt his pain. He went to Toys R-us and bought a Mr Potatoe head doll took the mouth to the poor little pickle. The pickle wasn't satisfied because he felt so left out everyone elsehad a brain, so he recruited dorthy and summoned a giant tornado to wreak havok upon Kansas. It lifted them up so hi they reached the wonderful world of pickles (The epicenter of pickle production all the way in New Jersey). They heard of a young lad who was a pickle wizz.....So they set off but Dorthy got hungry and ate the poor pickle man. ---- ------- FINHells_rebelion

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[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"] Yes, that is absolutely fine. In fact, people already do that.
Neither are you. I did not say "bash," did I?LJS9502_basic

:roll: You have criticised others' beliefs, as we have pointed out previously. You can't now whine about beliefs being criticised. Your position is untenable.

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am not criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Funky_Llama

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

To quote you: "Many of todays serial killers are Atheist. No wonder they are because they take that image "since there is no god, Im not going to be punished" for themselves."

That's a criticism of atheism; namely, the lack of guarantee of punishment for sins. Besides which, you've still failed to demonstrate why religion shouldn't be criticised.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"] Criticism does not restrict freedom. Does me saying that I don't like gamespot's default color scheme restrict their freedom to have it?
Criticism is still not bashing. Bashing is on another level. Criticism is simply questioning something, or finding fault with it. You are finding fault in something every day, which is why you don't believe everything that comes at you. Do you think that's wrong, or do you believe anything that comes your way?LJS9502_basic

And I still fail to see why it matters what someone else believes. I don't agree with your beliefs....but I've never criticized you for them.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

General Mao, Joseph Stalin, Ed Gein, Polpot are All atheist!!

Jarneklo

Hitler was a christian.

Religion or Atheism is never the cause of any killing, the human mind works in a way so that we don't want to kill each-other unless your insane or its about survival.

BTW if you think that believing in god is the only thing stopping people from killing each-other you seriously need to see a Psychologist, because if you are going around thinking about killing people and the only thing stopping you is thinking of the punishment you will receive after death then you are clearly not functioning properly in the head.

[QUOTE="Jarneklo"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]

General Mao, Joseph Stalin, Ed Gein, Polpot are All atheist!!

Kamekazi_69

Hitler was a christian.

Religion or Atheism is never the cause of any killing, the human mind works in a way so that we don't want to kill each-other unless your insane or its about survival.

BTW if you think that believing in god is the only thing stopping people from killing each-other you seriously need to see a Psychologist, because if you are going around thinking about killing people and the only thing stopping you is thinking of the punishment you will receive after death then you are clearly not functioning properly in the head.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]

But by entering a forum, and entering a religion topic, they should expect their beliefs to be criticised.

I just don't see why beliefs should be immune from criticism. Criticising others beliefs and attitudes stimulates intellectual discussion.

LJS9502_basic

I think you're completley wrong on this.

And why must you make the word 'bash' synoymous with the word 'criticise'.

If people don't want their beliefs to be legitimately criticised, then they shouldn't enter a forum. I have no time for people who come in to these types of threads and get offended by legitimate criticism of their beliefs. If they get offended then that's their problem.

BTW, the whole 'flaming' thing is an appeal to consequences fallacy. You haven't given one legitimate reason why beliefs should not be criticised.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

LJS9502_basic

:| Where the hell did that come from? No, I don't think it's right. And it's also open to criticism too. ;)

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am not criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Kamekazi_69

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

To quote you: "Many of todays serial killers are Atheist. No wonder they are because they take that image "since there is no god, Im not going to be punished" for themselves."

That's a criticism of atheism; namely, the lack of guarantee of punishment for sins. Besides which, you've still failed to demonstrate why religion shouldn't be criticised.

And to do so while complaining about the throwing of the stone is hypocrisy. ;)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

Funky_Llama

:| Where the hell did that come from? No, I don't think it's right. And it's also open to criticism too. ;)

Again, how does criticism restrict freedom? I'm simply saying that everything is open to criticism. How does that equate to me trying to restrict people's freedom to either have their beliefs or to be forced to criticize their beliefs? I'm not saying everyone should criticize everything, and I'm not saying that they can't have a belief that is criticized. I'm saying that everything is open to criticism, and if you wish to criticize it, you should be able to.
And again, I'm not saying that people should bash each other's beliefs, I am saying that everything is open to criticism. When you debate with someone, you are criticizing their beliefs.
And again, I'm not saying people should call each other unintelligent. CRITICISM. After seeing you here for many years, I'd expect you to read and understand what I am saying before you speak.
It matters if you think it matters. Why don't you agree with my beliefs? Why aren't you an atheist? Why aren't you a cannibal? Why aren't you a homosexual? Why aren't you a democrat/republican? Why aren't you a deist? Because you've found faults with those ideas (criticized) ?DeeJayInphinity

Perhaps you aren't getting what I mean by the difference between discussion and criticism. One can have good conversation while being on opposite ends of the topic. But I think criticizing isn't the way to go about it. Questioning and discussion are. You don't have to criticize to debate. I debate without criticizing their beliefs. I look for the logic in the discussion. But I have never told anyone their belief is wrong.

Criticism is a two edged sword. Not all of it good. Constructive criticism is teaching a child how to correct a mistake. Telling the child he is wrong is not.

Your last paragraph is :? Orientation is not a choice. Political decisions are not criticism...it's finding something one believes. Etc. I don't have time to go through all your analogies.....I have to be at work in 15 minutes. Suffice it to say you might want to rethink that paragraph.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

Funky_Llama

:| Where the hell did that come from? No, I don't think it's right. And it's also open to criticism too. ;)

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

Kamekazi_69

:| Where the hell did that come from? No, I don't think it's right. And it's also open to criticism too. ;)

Heh... it was very unexpected. :P

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am not criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Funky_Llama

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

To quote you: "Many of todays serial killers are Atheist. No wonder they are because they take that image "since there is no god, Im not going to be punished" for themselves."

That's a criticism of atheism; namely, the lack of guarantee of punishment for sins. Besides which, you've still failed to demonstrate why religion shouldn't be criticised.

And to do so while complaining about the throwing of the stone is hypocrisy. ;)

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

The belief that criticism of beliefs is justified. Ironic, really. And how is it not a belief that I think that beliefs aren't immune to criticism?

LJS9502_basic

:| Where the hell did that come from? No, I don't think it's right. And it's also open to criticism too. ;)

:| I don't understand... what does saying that beliefs can be criticised have to do with suggesting that "discriminating against minorities and those of different sexual orientations and gender" is right?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"]No, you're a fail and I was responding to your comment about you not saying that atheism shouldn't be criticize. If one is not criticized then the other shouldn't be as well. I am not criticizing atheism's beliefs, I just find it ironic since both in a way, have similar characteristics Kamekazi_69

:lol: That is exactly what I've been saying. By criticising atheism as you do here, you're opening your own theistic beliefs up to criticism, thus invalidating your inital argument that religion shouldn't be criticised.

To quote you: "Many of todays serial killers are Atheist. No wonder they are because they take that image "since there is no god, Im not going to be punished" for themselves."

That's a criticism of atheism; namely, the lack of guarantee of punishment for sins. Besides which, you've still failed to demonstrate why religion shouldn't be criticised.

And to do so while complaining about the throwing of the stone is hypocrisy. ;)

Yeah, but I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing it. ;)

Again...I didn't say criticism restricts freedom. I said wanting to restrict the right to have one's own beliefs does. Difference there dude.

LJS9502_basic

Perhaps you aren't getting what I mean by the difference between discussion and criticism. One can have good conversation while being on opposite ends of the topic. But I think criticizing isn't the way to go about it. Questioning and discussion are.

LJS9502_basic

You don't have to criticize to debate. I debate without criticizing their beliefs. I look for the logic in the discussion. But I have never told anyone their belief is wrong.LJS9502_basic

Criticism is a two edged sword. Not all of it good. Constructive criticism is teaching a child how to correct a mistake. Telling the child he is wrong is not.

Your last paragraph is :? Orientation is not a choice. Political decisions are not criticism...it's finding something one believes. Etc. I don't have time to go through all your analogies.....I have to be at work in 15 minutes. Suffice it to say you might want to rethink that paragraph.

LJS9502_basic

Gamespot itself doesn't bash religion.

lovers and haters

more haters than lovers

Ok Guys I have concluded that I am leaving this thread. I have spoken my mind there is no means to continue this mess. Call me a coward, or tell me that I'm backing out, whatever the case there is no reason to continue a never ending debate that will never end. I learned from my experience, it doesnt matter if you're a christian, or an atheist, or you simply worship a spagetti creature, there will alway be rational and irrational people in this planet to stir up violence. Sad , but true. I have called this my Potato theory. this debate is as valuable as a potato. Now fair well my friends and may the religously atheist be with you!Kamekazi_69

:roll: Thank you for your blindingly valuable insights throughout this thread.

Hooray, religious argument!!! *grabs popcorn*

Well, since I don't want to get moderated, I guess I should say something of use...

Well, let's see. Because you're mad at people for thinking all Christians are bad when you think all athiests are bad. Oh the hypocrisy.

Your tired of religous theads so wat do u do u make a religous topic.

I bash it because I see god is no better than a dragon, or a fairy, I see religion as just a mere fairytale, Its not real in my terms, but I am aware that people do believe in religion and thats their business, and we atheist dont always shove that stuff down people's throat. Regardless there will always be religion threads here. People do have the right to make threads about it even if some people here dont like it.