Why dont YOU believe in God?

there was nothing about lies there. it just said god comes across as authoritative and picky.cheese_game619

I guess you didn't read the gospel much huh?

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]there was nothing about lies there. it just said god comes across as authoritative and picky.Philokalia

I guess you didn't read the gospel much huh?

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]there was nothing about lies there. it just said god comes across as authoritative and picky.cheese_game619

I guess you didn't read the gospel much huh?

You don't realise at all who I was talking about? What Christ says about Satan in the gospel of John? That he is the father of lies? That he would not have our interest in heart, that is Satan.

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

I guess you didn't read the gospel much huh?

Philokalia

You don't realise at all who I was talking about? What Christ says about Satan in the gospel of John? That he is the father of lies? That he would not have our interest in heart, that is Satan.

] i was never much interested in sunday school i just went for the watermelon and also because i was forced all i was saying was, it appears to me that god is very picky whilst the devil accepts everyone unconditionally. you disagreed with that so i was genuinely interested to see what part of that was wrong.cheese_game619

Satan accepts everyone unconditionally? Where does scripture say that? And yes God is "picky," and I think it would be right to assume you would complain if he accepted absolutely everyone regardless of their beliefs or actions int he past. That is you might complain that a murderer has been chosen by God without absolutely no conditions and that murderer thinks he has done the right thing. Why does Satan get a free pass? Why does the father of Lies get a free pass?

According to the Gospels Satan is my father. -Sun_Tzu-

According to the Gospels Satan is my father. -Sun_Tzu-

So you believed in Jesus at one point?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]According to the Gospels Satan is my father. Philokalia

So you believed in Jesus at one point?

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]] i was never much interested in sunday school i just went for the watermelon and also because i was forced all i was saying was, it appears to me that god is very picky whilst the devil accepts everyone unconditionally. you disagreed with that so i was genuinely interested to see what part of that was wrong.Philokalia

Satan accepts everyone unconditionally? Where does scripture say that? And yes God is "picky," and I think it would be right to assume you would complain if he accepted absolutely everyone regardless of their beliefs or actions int he past. That is you might complain that a murderer has been chosen by God without absolutely no conditions and that murderer thinks he has done the right thing. Why does Satan get a free pass? Why does the father of Lies get a free pass?

I guess the biggest one that supercedes the plotholes and everything is just that some people are born with 6 legs and live for an hour before they die. Terrible things happen to good people. And good people are born into a trap they cannot escape.

I believe the universe is too fascinating a place have such a simple origin, but if you want your counter argument, people used to say that about DNA before it was realized that your entire genetic code is made up of 4 nucleotides, or that I'm sending this and you're reading this from 1s and 0s that are being arranged to give us precisely what we have here.

i wasnt attacking you i simply asked you to elaborate it wouldnt bother me if bad people were let into heaven. im in heaven so i get to do whatever i want and from what im told i dont have to worry about being murdered there. god chooses not to do this though. the devil, however, has no prerequisites at all. anyone can go to hell, no matter who they are or what they've done. just say the word and he accepts you.cheese_game619

Yes there are prerequisites for coming into communion with satan, firstly you must believe in his lies and embrace sin, you must be in his hold. You must reject truth. I don't think you know what your talking about cheese and I would reccomend you learn and not keep to such a dangerous viewpoint.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]According to the Gospels Satan is my father. -Sun_Tzu-

So you believed in Jesus at one point?

So Jesus was not referring to you.

The Idea of he who was a liar since creation has our best interest in mind.Philokalia

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]

So you believed in Jesus at one point?

Philokalia

So Jesus was not referring to you.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]The Idea of he who was a liar since creation has our best interest in mind.Zeviander

Ever heard the saying "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish, feed him for a lifetime?"

I think that applies here.

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"] i wasnt attacking you i simply asked you to elaborate it wouldnt bother me if bad people were let into heaven. im in heaven so i get to do whatever i want and from what im told i dont have to worry about being murdered there. god chooses not to do this though. the devil, however, has no prerequisites at all. anyone can go to hell, no matter who they are or what they've done. just say the word and he accepts you.Philokalia

Yes there are prerequisites for coming into communion with satan, firstly you must believe in his lies and embrace sin, you must be in his hold. You must reject truth. I don't think you know what your talking about cheese and I would reccomend you learn and not keep to such a dangerous viewpoint.

so what happens if you dont meet the expectations of either? where do you go?cheese_game619

You think Hell is a place run by the devil? Dear lord.

Who is better? He who gives us knowledge, or keeps it from us? Zeviander

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]so what happens if you dont meet the expectations of either? where do you go?Philokalia

You think Hell is a place run by the devil? Dear lord.

yes that is what i thought im here to learn, correct mecheese_game619

Such a notion of Hell is neither biblical nor found in the teachings and understanding of the church. It seems that the idea that Satan controls hell is a product only very recent origin (unless I can be shown wrong).

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]so what happens if you dont meet the expectations of either? where do you go?Philokalia

You think Hell is a place run by the devil? Dear lord.

replace devil with hell then hell accepts without condition? if not, where does one go if they are neither accepted by hell or heaven?cheese_game619

Hell is not a conscious place, it doesn't choose. Christianity is not like a religion of evil vs good, the Demiurge vs the good. Hell is a place understood at the ressurection in which there will be a spiritual suffering having rejected God.

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]replace devil with hell then hell accepts without condition? if not, where does one go if they are neither accepted by hell or heaven?Philokalia

Hell is not a conscious place, it doesn't choose. Christianity is not like a religion of evil vs good, the Demiurge vs the good. Hell is a place understood at the ressurection in which there will be a spiritual suffering having rejected God.

Because I... wait, I do.

Nevermind.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="Philokalia"]The Idea of he who was a liar since creation has our best interest in mind.BranKetra

Ever heard the saying "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish, feed him for a lifetime?"

I think that applies here.

Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night, set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

There may be a god (or gods) but if they do exist they are doing a very good job of making it look like they don't.

Well I think it was stupid and was completely irrelevant to the thread.

themajormayor

So much so that you bring it up again in another thread?

Yup Panendeist it is. If you look at the Deism Union board you can even see one of my posts where I said so. I'm not sure Panendeism really is Deism though since it allows for a God that interacts with and transcends the universe. Which I think is something deists doesn't believe in. I could be wrong though. I don't wanna get hung up on labels to much.

And also that is not stating I am a Deist. You can be part of the union without being Deist.

themajormayor

Isn't that a form of Deism though? Isn't there a clue in the title? Isn't you union "a union for all the Deists on Gamespot"?

Right and as I said think basing your religious belief on abogenesis is baseless. I think it is irrelevant to the question of God's existence.

themajormayor

Why think it is irrelevant? Why would a creator create an unguided process of creation? How is that not relevant?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

Well I think it was stupid and was completely irrelevant to the thread.

RationalAtheist

So much so that you bring it up again in another thread?

Look at why I brought it up...

Yup Panendeist it is. If you look at the Deism Union board you can even see one of my posts where I said so. I'm not sure Panendeism really is Deism though since it allows for a God that interacts with and transcends the universe. Which I think is something deists doesn't believe in. I could be wrong though. I don't wanna get hung up on labels to much.

And also that is not stating I am a Deist. You can be part of the union without being Deist.

themajormayor

Isn't that a form of Deism though? Isn't there a clue in the title? Isn't you union "a union for all the Deists on Gamespot"?

You probably know more than I do about that. But don't get so hung up on labels, my point was only to say I think it's possible that God is interacting with and transcending the universe.

Right and as I said think basing your religious belief on abogenesis is baseless. I think it is irrelevant to the question of God's existence.

themajormayor

Why think it is irrelevant? Why would a creator create an unguided process of creation? How is that not relevant?

Why wouldn't he? Since we were talking about a Deistic God, isn't that completely in line with the clock work theory? And who is to say it isn't guided?

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"] Who is better? He who gives us knowledge, or keeps it from us? wis3boi

Ever heard the saying "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach a man how to fish, feed him for a lifetime?"

I think that applies here.

Give a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night, set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Complete lack of any sort of (but mostly scientific) evidence to support it's existence.

Look at why I brought it up...

themajormayor

I have no idea! Why do you bring it up?

You probably know more than I do about that. But don't get so hung up on labels, my point was only to say I think it's possible that God is interacting with and transcending the universe.

themajormayor

Would I? I would have thought you'd know more about it, since you are one.

Why wouldn't he? Since we were talking about a Deistic God, isn't that completely in line with the clock work theory? And who is to say it isn't guided?

themajormayor

Why would a creator create a creation process that makes them superfluous and irrelevant? HOw can you see abiogenesis as being a guided process? Evolution is "unguided", else it just won't work according to evolutionary theory. What would the difference be with abiogenesis that starts evolution?

The problem with the cosmological argument is that there are far more objections and counter-arguments against it than there are for it, as can be seen in the Wiki link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

Seems like a rather sh!tty creator if you ask me. Everything he makes dies. SilverChimera

Because I'm a rational person. I don't believe in something that has no hint of evidence to back it up.

Because I'm a rational person. I don't believe in something that has no hint of evidence to back it up.

N30F3N1X

How did you determine this?

Why don't I believe in God? Same reason you don't believe in Zeus or Quetzelcoatl.

*edit* Damn, someone posted something similar on the previous page. I'll elaborate:

Even as a really young kid I used to love reading about mythologies of all sorts of different cultures. The Christian mythology fit right into that - I didn't see any reason to make a distinction between one culture's fantasies and another's.

I still find them all interesting, from an anthropological perspective, although I know I can never have faith in any of them. I wouldn't even know where to start!

"not enough evidence, sir, not enough evidence."CptJSparrow

A quick Wikipedia search brings up this in the US Constitution: "The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States". That sounds to me like an express Constitutional power of the Government to redistribute wealth for the purposes of your nation's general welfare, which seems to go against what the fellow on the right is saying.

Anyway, back to religion. I do wonder how one of my Mormon friends continues to be that way, even after studying religious practices from all over the world.