Why exactly is incest still illegal??

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#101 Teenaged
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[QUOTE="th3warr1or"][QUOTE="wslacker2"] Tell that to millions of kids who have been raped by a relative, dude.wslacker2
Dude, the problem with that is the RAPE then. Rape is rape.

Incest, defined by the law IS rape.

Its expectable that we are not interested in how the law defines it, in a thread where the very rationale behind the law is questioned...

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#102 Teenaged
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Inbreeding only creates defects after 4+ generations.KHAndAnime
I dont think thats true.

The story I heard about a couple in Germany who were siblings didnt have any inbreeding record in their family iirc but both of their babies had some sort of defect.

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#103 super_mario_128
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Idk.
Do the people saying it should be legal have siblings?Strider_91
Yeah.
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#104 shoot-first
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Next, they're going to want murder to be legal since everyone has the "people should be able to do what they want" attitude.

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#105 ThePerro
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If you're into it, then you're only obstacle is the law. If all goes well, send me a postcard of your cyclops newborn.

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#106 Lonelynight
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I didn't even know that it is illegal. If it is, I think it should be legal, since we allow people with mental illness to **** we should allow incest as well.
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#107 SkyWard20
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I didn't even know that it is illegal. If it is, I think it should be legal, since we allow people with mental illness to **** we should allow incest as well.Lonelynight
This is a good argument. People who say that we shouldn't make laws according to our own morals are ignorant of the fact that we do it and are also hypocrites. HYPOCRITES!
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#108 SkyWard20
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Next, they're going to want murder to be legal since everyone has the "people should be able to do what they want" attitude.

shoot-first
Slippery slope. SLIPPERY SLOPE I CALLED IT, GUYS.
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#109 Los9090
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If you're into it, then you're only obstacle is the law. If all goes well, send me a postcard of your cyclops newborn.

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haha...I believe that's the reason why their are rules against it, to prevent birth defects.
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#110 UltimoIce
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Freud was right about you OP.

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#111 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="wslacker2"][QUOTE="th3warr1or"] Dude, the problem with that is the RAPE then. Rape is rape. Teenaged

Incest, defined by the law IS rape.

Its expectable that we are not interested in how the law defines it, in a thread where the very rationale behind the law is questioned...

The real reason, Teenaged is -- and you know it, of course -- is that people think it's gross. They try to justify it and appear rational, but that's the real reason. I'm not saying it's wrong, but they should just come out and say it. Sheep.
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#112 LavonTB
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Dear OP, I am sitting in my I.T. Foundations class I read the title of this and couldn't stop laughing. Thank you for the lulz in the middle of class.
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#113 deactivated-587633796662c
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Because it's gross.fidosim
This and...

its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

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This.

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#114 mywalletsgone
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ITT: TC has a raging hard on for a smokin' hot cousin or something or other.

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#115 funsohng
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because incest is medically disadvantageous. EDIT: but on the case of TWINCEST.....
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#116 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I don't see legalizing incest as something that would end well..

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#117 limpbizkit818
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The fear of genetic problems from incest between cousins is not founded in science. Modern reports have shown the mortality rate of their offspring to be low. It's illegal because people think it's gross, and that's it. Sounds like the same argument for why people are against gay marriage/sex..............
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#118 Head_of_games
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Remember when it was said that if we made homosexualtiy socially acceptable people would be asking for incest next? Well here we are.
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#119 limpbizkit818
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[QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Remember when it was said that if we made homosexualtiy socially acceptable people would be asking for incest next? Well here we are.

I was thinking polygamy would go before incest.
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#120 buldog300
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If some people are doing it with contraceptives then what exactly is the problem??

Take a look at some porn site, the highest viewed and rated videos almost always seem to have incest. That makes it rather obvious that people want to do it so why not allow them? Who cares if that's not the way society works? The same case is with homosexuals as well...

And again "despising" incest is your right but I dont think the rationality behind despising it can be any different than despising "homosexuality"....

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Dag nabitt you a really testing my stance as a libertarian here.
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#121 Head_of_games
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="Head_of_games"]Remember when it was said that if we made homosexualtiy socially acceptable people would be asking for incest next? Well here we are.

I was thinking polygamy would go before incest.

Nah, they'll lower the age of consent to 13 first.
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#122 Loco_Live
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▲ I did'nt know it was.:? ▲

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#123 TaCoDuDe
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Cause it's ****ing disgusting.

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#124 Omni-Slash
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why is it illegal?....because it's incest?...:?
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#125 UltimoIce
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It's illegal because society and social conditioning tells us it is. Get over it. There are4 billion females in the world that are not related to you. Go find one of those.

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#126 fastesttruck
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Because it's gross.fidosim
Thats a matter of opinion tho
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#127 Omni-Slash
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probably the biggest reasoning is that older relatives have a huge influence on younger generations.....one could use that influence to completely manipulate the younger individual and shape them into their own personal plaything......and there are significant increases in defects....
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#128 foxhound_fox
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Contraceptives aren't 100%. Not to mention the emotional issues it raises.

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#129 jimmyjammer69
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More urgently, why is dwarf tossing illegal?
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#130 LJS9502_basic
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It's incest. It shouldn't be legal. Anyway studies have shown that emotional issues arise in incestous relationships.....they aren't healthy.

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#131 Chris_Williams
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because its wrong?, i mean if you want to go out with your sister no one is stopping you but be prepared to have everyone always tell you that you and your girlfriend look so alike

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#132 Brainkiller05
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I don't like certain genres of music, doesn't mean they should be illegal.
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#133 shinian
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Higher risk of genetic aberrations for one thing.

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#134 Head_of_games
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More urgently, why is dwarf tossing illegal?jimmyjammer69
This thread is now about Dwarf-Tossing. I mean, if the dwarfes are legal and consent, then why not?
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#135 Miroku32
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I think it is illegal because people don't want that the new generations be only of deformed guys or girls. Actually I'm indifferent in this stuff, if relatives want to have relationships of that type that's their own problem, we cannot interfere with them.
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#136 slamminjammin69
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Seriously its a free country last time I checked. If someone wants to have some kind of sexual relationship with a family member its their business, not yours and certainly not the government's business so butt out.

Hell there are times when I fantasize about my cousins

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TC is from the south

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#138 Human-after-all
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It makes a higher chance of recessive genetic gene coming through. What that means is that is you and your sister (just an example) made a child and you both had recessive traits of lets say, Cystic Fibrosis, then that child has a significantly greater chance of having developing it. It is more complicated than that but just to generalize it.

Higher phenotypical expression of recessive genes is not a good thing.If genes don't vary that will equate to extinction. Offspring have a chance of being incapable of reproducing as well and it WILL happen if incest happens regularly. This is a major problem to overcome when trying to save species from extinction when they have a really low population.

Now whether or not the 2 parties involved in it are emotionally stable is an entirely different matter. People can't really assume anything about the relationship just because they view it as wrong. There are many cultures that don't view incest as taboo as western.

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#139 grape_of_wrath
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its illegal for reasons regarding genetic stagnation.

but it should be legal i agree

Thessassin

It's illegal for reasons regarding social conventions. period.

(In the countries where it is illegal,that is)

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amen brother! you fight the power
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#141 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

[QUOTE="Strider_91"] I'm just wondering, if you're alright with legalising it and striking out incest.. Would you be able to do it with your sibling, if they were a female?Strider_91

No i wouldn't ever do it with a family member. But i still think it should be legal.

Why wouldn't you?

I am arguing for the legalization. I have a sister, and a brother. I would never have an incestuous relationship, I find it disgusting. However, my personal bias doesn't affect my ability to look at the facts of the argument. For some people, incest is not gross, and if they want to do it, I don't really see why that affects me at all. The only laws we should have are those that protect people from hurting other people, or animals. An incestuous relationship, a homosexual relationship, a heterosexual relationship, and even a polygamous relationship all have one thing in common. They only affect the people in that relationship, there is no reason that anyone should butt into these people's lives and tell them what they can and cannot do. What happened to the idea of liberty? Are we so morally superior to everyone that we can presume to tell them what they can do with their lives? Stop KNOWING that you are correct, and try to open your mind to the logistics of this argument.
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probably the biggest reasoning is that older relatives have a huge influence on younger generations.....one could use that influence to completely manipulate the younger individual and shape them into their own personal plaything......and there are significant increases in defects....Omni-Slash
That argument is very similar to the argument people make against homosexual couples raising children. Should it be illegal for homosexual couples to raise children also?
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#143 Omni-Slash
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That argument is very similar to the argument people make against homosexual couples raising children. Should it be illegal for homosexual couples to raise children also? Franklinstein
Not at all... and one has nothing to do with the other...:|
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why is it illegal?....because it's incest?...:?Omni-Slash
probably the biggest reasoning is that older relatives have a huge influence on younger generations.....one could use that influence to completely manipulate the younger individual and shape them into their own personal plaything......and there are significant increases in defects....Omni-Slash
Yet 18 year olds are allowed to date older people...
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#145 SkyWard20
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It's incest. It shouldn't be legal. Anyway studies have shown that emotional issues arise in incestous relationships.....they aren't healthy.

LJS9502_basic

A lot of things aren't healthy, yet they're legal. ;)

Plus studies can be wrong.;)

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#146 Omni-Slash
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Yet 18 year olds are allowed to date older people...SkyWard20
not ones they are related to and have been shaping them since the age of 6.......
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#147 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Yet 18 year olds are allowed to date older people...Omni-Slash
not ones they are related to and have been shaping them since the age of 6.......

What if they haven't?
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#148 Franklinstein
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[QUOTE="Franklinstein"]That argument is very similar to the argument people make against homosexual couples raising children. Should it be illegal for homosexual couples to raise children also? Omni-Slash
Not at all... and one has nothing to do with the other...:|

I disagree. And here's why: People against homosexual relationships claim that children shouldn't be allowed to be raised in a homosexual household because there are certain qualities that a child must learn from a father, and certain qualities that a child must learn from a mother. They also claim that the child will be likely to be homosexual if he or she is raised in a homosexual household. (As if it is some kind of disease) I understand your point, you're saying that a parent could raise his or her child to basically be a sex slave, or something of that matter. But I think that this is an irrational fear. People can do that now if they wanted to, and unfortunately, I'm sure they do. But that is why I think the age of consent thing is so important. I mean, really the only reason we are the way we are is because of the way that we were brought up. I think as long as the people in a relationship are at a certain age of consent, and willing, then we should have no say so of what they do. I don't see a reasonable argument against this. Please, show me one. I'm willing to debate.
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#149 grounderman
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[QUOTE="Strider_91"][QUOTE="Thessassin"] No i wouldn't ever do it with a family member. But i still think it should be legal.

Franklinstein

Why wouldn't you?

I am arguing for the legalization. I have a sister, and a brother. I would never have an incestuous relationship, I find it disgusting. However, my personal bias doesn't affect my ability to look at the facts of the argument. For some people, incest is not gross, and if they want to do it, I don't really see why that affects me at all. The only laws we should have are those that protect people from hurting other people, or animals. An incestuous relationship, a homosexual relationship, a heterosexual relationship, and even a polygamous relationship all have one thing in common. They only affect the people in that relationship, there is no reason that anyone should butt into these people's lives and tell them what they can and cannot do. What happened to the idea of liberty? Are we so morally superior to everyone that we can presume to tell them what they can do with their lives? Stop KNOWING that you are correct, and try to open your mind to the logistics of this argument.

i might have agreed. but then this is about incest.

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#150 SkyWard20
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[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"][QUOTE="Franklinstein"]That argument is very similar to the argument people make against homosexual couples raising children. Should it be illegal for homosexual couples to raise children also? Franklinstein
Not at all... and one has nothing to do with the other...:|

I disagree. And here's why: People against homosexual relationships claim that children shouldn't be allowed to be raised in a homosexual household because there are certain qualities that a child must learn from a father, and certain qualities that a child must learn from a mother. They also claim that the child will be likely to be homosexual if he or she is raised in a homosexual household. (As if it is some kind of disease)

It's funny when people say they're not homophobic in the slightest yet retain that fear.