Why exactly is incest still illegal??

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]

and the nazis originally were just going to move the jews to poland.not kill them. but poland refused to take anymore and nazis didn't want them to mix with the pure german blood. not nearly as terrible as you say.theyjust had no choice.

thegerg

Wait...what?

what

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]I must apologize, I appear to be attempting humor with someone trying too hard to be serious.thegerg

Apology accepted. I prefer my humor to actually be humorous.

:? no need to insult his humor.

and the nazis originally were just going to move the jews to poland.not kill them. but poland refused to take anymore and nazis didn't want them to mix with the pure german blood. not nearly as terrible as you say.theyjust had no choice.

ihatecrysis

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]

Apology accepted. I prefer my humor to actually be humorous.

Chojuto

:? no need to insult his humor.

and the nazis originally were just going to move the jews to poland.not kill them. but poland refused to take anymore and nazis didn't want them to mix with the pure german blood. not nearly as terrible as you say.theyjust had no choice.

ihatecrysis

but then it would be lame

[QUOTE="Chojuto"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

:? no need to insult his humor.

[QUOTE="ihatecrysis"]and the nazis originally were just going to move the jews to poland.not kill them. but poland refused to take anymore and nazis didn't want them to mix with the pure german blood. not nearly as terrible as you say.theyjust had no choice.

ihatecrysis

but then it would be lame

Dear lord...

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"]Stagnant gene pools lead to offspring with poor cognitive functioning skills. Why would anyone want that to be legal?UT_Wrestler

Implying one generation of incest leads to that. Also implying that one incetous couple=all their kids will do it too.

My family is baptist and my mother is a pretty die hard neo-con. My beliefs are almost a total 180 of theirs.

Also if this were true, couldn't we prove this by looking at the adopted children of homosexual parents? Their children generally do not take after their families and "be gay because their parents were. Why do you think the kids would go in an incestous relationship because of their parents?

Also since when is having a child a requirement of being in a relationship?

I'd also like to point out that often times parents essentially brain wash their children to believe that their political and religious ideaologies are correct (though in my experience, children usually have opposite political beliefs to their parents).

I doubt an incestous couple would brainwash their children into wanting to be in such a relationship.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"] I mean willingly reproducing offspring that everyone knows will be idiots.UT_Wrestler

Can you determine whose kids will be idiots before they are born? What are your standards for "idiot"?

Can you please find me proof that 100% of all children born from an incetous couple in the 1st generation will have severe defects?

Assuming you cannot, could you find what percentage will and then compare that percentage with, say, the average person, or a woman over the age of 35?

My family is baptist and my mother is a pretty die hard neo-con. My beliefs are almost a total 180 of theirs.

Also if this were true, couldn't we prove this by looking at the adopted children of homosexual parents? Their children generally do not take after their families and "be gay because their parents were. Why do you think the kids would go in an incestous relationship because of their parents?

Also since when is having a child a requirement of being in a relationship?

I'd also like to point out that often times parents essentially brain wash their children to believe that their political and religious ideaologies are correct (though in my experience, children usually have opposite political beliefs to their parents).

I doubt an incestous couple would brainwash their children into wanting to be in such a relationship.

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="weezyfb"]it should be legal. cousins ftwauron_16

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]My family is baptist and my mother is a pretty die hard neo-con. My beliefs are almost a total 180 of theirs.

Also if this were true, couldn't we prove this by looking at the adopted children of homosexual parents? Their children generally do not take after their families and "be gay because their parents were. Why do you think the kids would go in an incestous relationship because of their parents?

Also since when is having a child a requirement of being in a relationship?

I'd also like to point out that often times parents essentially brain wash their children to believe that their political and religious ideaologies are correct (though in my experience, children usually have opposite political beliefs to their parents).

I doubt an incestous couple would brainwash their children into wanting to be in such a relationship.

LJS9502_basic

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

Pixel-Pirate

The thought process is that it goes against nature. JustPlainLucas

[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]The thought process is that it goes against nature. v13_KiiLtz

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

Teenaged

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So then you are saying homosexuality is a choice?

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

LJS9502_basic

No, but I don't believe falling in love or being attracted to a blood relative is a choice either. Whether it is a choice or not is irrelevant. He states that the child will do it because the parent did it (which implies the child will do it regardless of if they were attracted to a relative). There for if he is correct, a child raised by homosexuals should move to imitate their parents even if they arn't truly homosexual. Simply doing it because the parent does.

This is, however, not the case.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

Pixel-Pirate

No, but I don't believe falling in love or being attracted to a blood relative is a choice either. Whether it is a choice or not is irrelevant. He states that the child will do it because the parent did it (which implies the child will do it regardless of if they were attracted to a relative). There for if he is correct, a child raised by homosexuals should move to imitate their parents even if they arn't truly homosexual. Simply doing it because the parent does.

This is, however, not the case.

Hey I'm trying to understand his point. If he's saying homosexuality is a learned behavior then he's saying it's a choice.LJS9502_basic

He said:

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well.Pixel-Pirate

I'm guessing that where you got the impression from?

If you had read one millimetre further (right after the full stop) you would see that he added that...

However we don't.Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It should be pretty obvious.

If what a parent does will cause the children to almost always act the same, then by observing the children of a homosexual couple, we should see a very large amount as gay as well. However we don't.

There for, it does not make sense that a child of an incestous couple will repeat what their parents did just because their parents did it.

thegerg

No. He's not.

[QUOTE="thegerg"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So then you are saying homosexuality is a choice?

LJS9502_basic

No. He's not.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So then you are saying homosexuality is a choice?

No. He's not.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

No. He's not.

Teenaged

As long as it's consensual, people should be allowed to sleep with whomever they want.

That's my opinion.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

No. He's not.

MoonMarvel

As long as it's consensual, people should be allowed to sleep with whomever they want.

That's my opinion.

no_more_fayth

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

As long as it's consensual, people should be allowed to sleep with whomever they want.

That's my opinion.

LJS9502_basic

Nope.

My personal desires =/= what's right or wrong.

I like girls my age, but if someone wants to sleep with someone wildly younger, who am I to say they can't?

As long as it's not rape, I personally don't care.

This world is becoming way to ****ing liberal.

1. It's disgusting

2. Incestuous children can be born deformed

3. It's disgusting.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

As long as it's consensual, people should be allowed to sleep with whomever they want.

That's my opinion.

no_more_fayth

Nope.

My personal desires =/= what's right or wrong.

I like girls my age, but if someone wants to sleep with someone wildly younger, who am I to say they can't?

As long as it's not rape, I personally don't care.

The thought process is that it goes against nature. But the same could be said with homosexuality. This is what we call... a sticky wicket. JustPlainLucas

I dread to think how that wicket became sticky. Relatives are one thing, but wickets? Each to their own I guess...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

No. He's not.

thegerg

Yes, sexual relationships between related indiviuals can be learned about in the home. Sexual relationships between people of the same sex can be learned about in the same way. Being exposed to those types of relationships does not predestine one to pursue such relationships.

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"][QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"]The thought process is that it goes against nature. AutoPilotOn

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not even an age qualifier there?LJS9502_basic

Nope.

My personal desires =/= what's right or wrong.

I like girls my age, but if someone wants to sleep with someone wildly younger, who am I to say they can't?

As long as it's not rape, I personally don't care.

That depends on the individual.

But obviously three year olds and stuffs... :?

My point is, like, 13+.

They are developed enough to make a decision, but of course it depends on the individual.

I don't condone pedophilia, but it shouldn't exist I don't think.

People are attracted to who they are attracted to.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

Nope.

My personal desires =/= what's right or wrong.

I like girls my age, but if someone wants to sleep with someone wildly younger, who am I to say they can't?

As long as it's not rape, I personally don't care.

no_more_fayth

That depends on the individual.

But obviously three year olds and stuffs... :?

My point is, like, 13+.

They are developed enough to make a decision, but of course it depends on the individual.

I don't condone pedophilia, but it shouldn't exist I don't think.

People are attracted to who they are attracted to.

Pets do lot of things their masters make them do without you even knowing if it's consensual or not. I don't see how sex is any different. :|v13_KiiLtz

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[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Someone wildly young is undoubtedly too young to accurately consent...that is why.LJS9502_basic

That depends on the individual.

But obviously three year olds and stuffs... :?

My point is, like, 13+.

They are developed enough to make a decision, but of course it depends on the individual.

I don't condone pedophilia, but it shouldn't exist I don't think.

People are attracted to who they are attracted to.

That's true, but the law shouldn't exist.

If we base things on current laws, we are obviously biased towards that.

On a side-note, I really don't like debating you.

It always end up in circles. :P

[QUOTE="v13_KiiLtz"] Pets do lot of things their masters make them do without you even knowing if it's consensual or not. I don't see how sex is any different. :|Dystopian-X

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oh god do i even wanna know the context of that picture o.0

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

That depends on the individual.

But obviously three year olds and stuffs... :?

My point is, like, 13+.

They are developed enough to make a decision, but of course it depends on the individual.

I don't condone pedophilia, but it shouldn't exist I don't think.

People are attracted to who they are attracted to.

no_more_fayth

That's true, but the law shouldn't exist.

If we base things on current laws, we are obviously biased towards that.

On a side-note, I really don't like debating you.

It always end up in circles. :P

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="thegerg"]

Yes, sexual relationships between related indiviuals can be learned about in the home. Sexual relationships between people of the same sex can be learned about in the same way. Being exposed to those types of relationships does not predestine one to pursue such relationships.

thegerg

I understand that it is different, but that doesn't mean that he was saying sexual orientation is a choice.

I think a lot of confusion in regards to this particular discussion is a result of the fact that there is some smudging of the line that separates sexual attraction and sexual behaviour.

[QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Being attracted doesn't mean one has to act however. And attraction goes away in time when it's not fed. So instead of allowing for people to act on selfish desires with no regard to consequences....maybe we should encourage them to move on. As for 13 year olds...and even older...they really really don't know themselves or the consequences of their actions. There is a reason the law doesn't prosecute most children as adults nor are they held to contracts.LJS9502_basic

That's true, but the law shouldn't exist.

If we base things on current laws, we are obviously biased towards that.

On a side-note, I really don't like debating you.

It always end up in circles. :P

Not every child shoplifts, just how not all adults don't commit crimes.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="no_more_fayth"]

That's true, but the law shouldn't exist.

If we base things on current laws, we are obviously biased towards that.

On a side-note, I really don't like debating you.

It always end up in circles. :P

no_more_fayth

Not every child shoplifts, just how not all adults don't commit crimes.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] So then you are saying homosexuality is a choice?

LJS9502_basic

No, but I don't believe falling in love or being attracted to a blood relative is a choice either. Whether it is a choice or not is irrelevant. He states that the child will do it because the parent did it (which implies the child will do it regardless of if they were attracted to a relative). There for if he is correct, a child raised by homosexuals should move to imitate their parents even if they arn't truly homosexual. Simply doing it because the parent does.

This is, however, not the case.

If you'd prefer...

Generally younger generations tend to be more liberal in their view

Older generations tend to be more conservative.

If things parents do (using UT's original example of political ideology) are learned, we would see very few liberals, and mostly conservatives. The younger generation would not be liberal because they learned from the older generation (parents) to be conservative.

Or to just be blunt: Such things simply are not learned from the parent in the majority of cases. If anything, the opposite tends to be true as the child tries to distance themselves from being like their parents.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

No, but I don't believe falling in love or being attracted to a blood relative is a choice either. Whether it is a choice or not is irrelevant. He states that the child will do it because the parent did it (which implies the child will do it regardless of if they were attracted to a relative). There for if he is correct, a child raised by homosexuals should move to imitate their parents even if they arn't truly homosexual. Simply doing it because the parent does.

This is, however, not the case.

Pixel-Pirate

If you'd prefer...

Generally younger generations tend to be more liberal in their view

Older generations tend to be more conservative.

If things parents do (using UT's original example of political ideology) are learned, we would see very few liberals, and mostly conservatives. The younger generation would not be liberal because they learned from the older generation (parents) to be conservative.

Or to just be blunt: Such things simply are not learned from the parent in the majority of cases. If anything, the opposite tends to be true as the child tries to distance themselves from being like their parents.