Why I am against abortion

I am against abortion because of this:

That is a 6-day old baby.

Who will turn into a four month old baby:

Who will turn into:

Who will grow up to be a bride:

I don't believe that anyone has the right to take away the life of this human being who will grow up to have friends, be happy, feel pain, feel love, and to live life.

MetalGear_Ninty:Well the zygote doesn't have the potential to become a baby without a uterus. You using the word 'potential' is a great intellectual misjudgement -- in reality, potential counts for nothing.

And an infant doesn't have the potential to become a toddler without its mother feeding it and caring for it. Potential to be a full grown human accounts for a lot more than a potential to one day be human (i.e. gametes). If you use the logic that a zygote cannot survive on its own without exterior support and that gives us the right to ends its life, then why not justify infanticide as well? Without its mother or father caring for it, a helpless infant will die of exposure within days.

foxhound_fox

Also, you've just shown why any talk of 'potential' is ludicrous.

I personally do not define a bunch of living cells as being alive in any sort of sentient (and hence important) way, until it can survive on it's own unaided then it isn't truly alive - there is a place for abortion but its important that people realise that it shouldn't be used just as an easy way to rectify a decision made in bad judgement. Not a decision to be made easily but more often than not is done for genuinely good reasons.thekodaman

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] You might want to alter that one a wee bit. A 4 year old child couldn't survive on its own. Re sentience: No priest, scientist or philosopher has any idea when consciousness begins, so we can forget that as a cut off point.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Maybe in the eyes of the law, that's the case, but this is an ethical argument, and a definition of life has nothing to do with subsistence.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Ok, so law is one state implementation of ethics, but legal definitions don't govern ethics.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Again, that's if we switch to legalistic thinking, but we're not asking if and why abortion is legal but whether or not it is right or wrong in all or some cases.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] I'm not trying to unmarry them, I'm just trying to show which wears the trousers ;)Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] No. My system of ethics is not identical with the American legal system, and if everyone's was, then we wouldn't be having this debate. Vandalvideo

I see no real argument here, just an appeal to emotion.gobo212

Sometimes emotions can be the basis for an arguement or a motive.

I personally do not define a bunch of living cells as being alive in any sort of sentient (and hence important) way, until it can survive on it's own unaided then it isn't truly alive - there is a place for abortion but its important that people realise that it shouldn't be used just as an easy way to rectify a decision made in bad judgement. Not a decision to be made easily but more often than not is done for genuinely good reasons.thekodaman

Babies can't survive on their own, so are they not truly alive? People with mental and physical disabilities can't survive on their own, are they not alive?

[QUOTE="thekodaman"]I personally do not define a bunch of living cells as being alive in any sort of sentient (and hence important) way, until it can survive on it's own unaided then it isn't truly alive - there is a place for abortion but its important that people realise that it shouldn't be used just as an easy way to rectify a decision made in bad judgement. Not a decision to be made easily but more often than not is done for genuinely good reasons.McJugga

I think it would have been better put had he said that it isn't truly alive unless it could survive outside of the womb.

[QUOTE="McJugga"][QUOTE="thekodaman"]I personally do not define a bunch of living cells as being alive in any sort of sentient (and hence important) way, until it can survive on it's own unaided then it isn't truly alive - there is a place for abortion but its important that people realise that it shouldn't be used just as an easy way to rectify a decision made in bad judgement. Not a decision to be made easily but more often than not is done for genuinely good reasons.chessmaster1989

I think it would have been better put had he said that it isn't truly alive unless it could survive outside of the womb.

it's not fair to take away the life of something because you made a **** stupidass mistake. I mean if you got raped it's understandable but to do so after you have pre maritial sex is just absurd. So if don't want to keep a child where a condom or better yet don't have sex at all.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="McJugga"] You and me are just clumps of living cells. Babies can't survive on their own, so are they not truly alive? People with mental and physical disabilities can't survive on their own, are they not alive?McJugga

I think it would have been better put had he said that it isn't truly alive unless it could survive outside of the womb.

In my opinion, if it has no chance of surviving outside of the womb, it's just a part of the mother, and not a human being. In that case, the mother should be able to do what she wants with it.

In my opinion, if it has no chance of surviving outside of the womb, it's just a part of the mother, and not a human being. In that case, the mother should be able to do what she wants with it.

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="jubino"]

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

jimmyjammer69

Not to go too off topic here, but the bolded above is just plain wrong. If we're going to have a scientific discussion, then let's make sure our facts are correct.

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.Infinite-Zr0

If that's genocide, then I'm as good as Adolf Hitler.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]In my opinion, if it has no chance of surviving outside of the womb, it's just a part of the mother, and not a human being. In that case, the mother should be able to do what she wants with it.

McJugga

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="jubino"]

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

Not to go too off topic here, but the bolded above is just plain wrong. If we're going to have a scientific discussion, then let's make sure our facts are correct.

[QUOTE="McJugga"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]In my opinion, if it has no chance of surviving outside of the womb, it's just a part of the mother, and not a human being. In that case, the mother should be able to do what she wants with it.

p2rus

What he said...

I only support abortions in the later months when the mother's life is in danger.

That's different seeing as how the infant already 'is' a person, and any talk of 'potential' is unnecessary.

Also, you've just shown why any talk of 'potential' is ludicrous.

MetalGear_Ninty

What makes you so special that you can judge what other people do with their lives? That is my main problem with people. What someone else does with their body isn't really any of your concern._Superman_

It may grow up to be a bum, though... maybe something worse. >.>zakkro

Ya, but the kid could grow up to be something great. How many great people lost a chance at life because of abortion? Thats what life is all about. We decide how we live it. Give the kid a chance to live life.

What makes you so special that you can judge what other people do with their lives? That is my main problem with people. What someone else does with their body isn't really any of your concern._Superman_

Couldn't have said it better myself. One side says cells technically constitute life, one side says until the child is developed to a certain point it's not a life, but who is right? I see that argument as a total standstill, you're trying to argue values with nothing more than your own values or point of view. The bigger question is what effects total legalization and total criminalization would mean. In one scenario, pro-aboritonists can have abortions and anti-abortionists don't have to. In another, no one can have abortions, one group's values are imposed on another. Whether you're for abortions or not, I don't see how you think you can say you have the moral high ground and the right to dictate others' values.

Everyone has their views and respect them. People have the right to do what they want.

[QUOTE="p2rus"][QUOTE="McJugga"] So you don't care if the mother has been pregnant for 8 months? As long as it is still in the mother it is not human? Then tell me, what is it? Still just a clump of cells?

chessmaster1989

What he said...

I only support abortions in the later months when the mother's life is in danger.

[QUOTE="MetalGear_Ninty"]That's different seeing as how the infant already 'is' a person, and any talk of 'potential' is unnecessary.

Also, you've just shown why any talk of 'potential' is ludicrous.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

The only reason why a foetus isn't a person is because of a law. If someone were to pass a law that made 6 month-old infants "non-persons," infanticide would then become legalized.

How, exactly, is a 3 month-old infant any different than a 3 week-old foetus? What changes happen between the 3 week period and the 12 month period that turn it into a human being?

matthayter700

you know Im a christian and I've always been against abortion. The reality however is if someone had raped one of my sisters or something would I still be against it? Some things I questions you'll never know the answer to unless your actually in the situation.

Its like asking "if you come across a real tough boss in a game what do you do?" I mean the obvious answers are

1. beat him

2. run away

3. shut the game off

4. pass the controler (lol)

when you know that it is more complicated than just "beat him"

How, exactly, is a 3 month-old infant any different than a 3 week-old foetus? What changes happen between the 3 week period and the 12 month period that turn it into a human being?

foxhound_fox

Birth? Even if you define it as a human, The women is still going to have to go through child birth and that can't be taken lightly.

What about this situation. A man and woman are in love, they decide to have a child, shortly after impregnation the couple break up. She is left pregnant. Even with child support, its not that same. Thats not some "Drunken mistake", its nobodies fault. Why should she have to sacrifice a large part of her life for something she had no control over.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

How, exactly, is a 3 month-old infant any different than a 3 week-old foetus? What changes happen between the 3 week period and the 12 month period that turn it into a human being?

hip-hop-cola2

Birth? Even if you define it as a human, The women is still going to have to go through child birth and that can't be taken lightly.

What about this situation. A man and woman are in love, they decide to have a child, shortly after impregnation the couple break up. She is left pregnant. Even with child support, its not that same. That's not some "Drunken mistake", its nobodies fault. Why should she have to sacrifice a large part of her life for something she had no control over.

[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

Birth? Even if you define it as a human, The women is still going to have to go through child birth and that can't be taken lightly.

What about this situation. A man and woman are in love, they decide to have a child, shortly after impregnation the couple break up. She is left pregnant. Even with child support, its not that same. That's not some "Drunken mistake", its nobodies fault. Why should she have to sacrifice a large part of her life for something she had no control over.

McJugga

I think thats pretty unfair. A couple has a child together, Without the other half, its likely the want for the family will exstiguish pretty heavily.

But then you value the future life of the fetus more than the living, thinking, feeling woman in the present, I don't.

I think thats pretty unfair. A couple has a child together, Without the other half, its likely the want for the family will exstiguish pretty heavily.

But then you value the future life of the fetus more than the living, thinking, feeling woman in the present, I don't.

hip-hop-cola2

A child isn't just something that you have because you want one. It isn't just something that you can get rid of if your plans don't work out either. The life of the baby isn't more valuable than the mother, but it is equal.McJugga