Why I am against abortion

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

Infinite-Zr0

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

jubino

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

i couldn't care les what a woman wants to do with a clump of cells in her body.

Your Kidding me, right?

So if a women gets knocked up, and has a baby at age 16, her lifes has to be thrown away!

no chance of career, making money, exploring the world, starting a family when ready, going to college

the women might be raped, and gets pregnant. Her life is gone, she can't do anything.

The principle of Aboration is wrong, anyone wlll agre with that, but the fact that the persons life is gone, not doing anything, being on the border for cash and ahving

to worry about 2 people.

Well, look at it from the view.

[QUOTE="Thessassin"]

i couldn't care les what a woman wants to do with a clump of cells in her body.

Why don't we leave the abortion issue to be sorted out by people who actually have a uterus? Some dudes telling a rape victim to keep her baby is just plain offensively sick to me.

Scarebaby

Yes, I just quoted myself. Basically because it's still the most sense I've seen in here.

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

jubino

Personally, I don't have a problem concerning whether a person is pro- or anti-abortion but surely there is no logical argument that can uphold a decision to be anti-choice. Just for the record, I'm a fence-sitter regarding abortion itself.

Not your call to make.

If you have the ability to create a life with your significant other and want to, that is completely up to you to do so.

To say because you don't agree with the practice of abortion because it conflicts with your ideals is ignorant.

If a woman feels that she can't or won't take in another life to support and raise as her own, that should be her decision, not yours.

I demand to know why I'm being sig'd. -.-

I demand to know why I'm being sig'd. -.-

Scarebaby

Edit: Hmm...wait. Wrong thread? :lol:

My odd personal business is that intriguing?

redfield_137, you weren't even participating in the topic being discussed, and even so I'd appreciate if you'd remove my quote from your sig, okay?

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Why do you use protection since not using that also gives potential to someone being an adult?:roll:foxhound_fox

Well its not. Your the one giving that unified pair such high importance, Its still just a group of cells at the time regardless of what it will become.

And anyone who tries to ignore the role that abortion plays on the ability of the poor to advance their situation is not looking at the big picture.

The anti-abortion movement is concerned about social control. Who is getting the most abortions? Poor people and minorities. Who opposes abortion most? Rich which conservatives. There is a large interest in keeping the poor poor, and abortion is one of the biggest tools available for helping people to escape poverty, crime, and misery. Did you ever wonder why crime tends to go down when abortion is legalized, and why crime tends to go way up when abortion is banned? It's because by and large the people making the laws aren't getting the abortions. It's mostly the poor and the disadvantaged who are getting abortions, because they are simply in no way able to provide a good life for their children.

Meanwhile some upper class people with good educations try to fight abortion, which is the same thing that gives the poor a better chance of making a better life for their children. These being the same people who don't give a flying **** about helping kids once they are BORN. They fight ABORTION sure, with the hope that poor and uneducated people have more children (keep in mind that these are often the same people opposing sex education in schools with a disproportionately high teen pregnancy rate). Now once the poor single mother with no job actually HAS her child, and then goes to ask for help, the people pushing for no abortion and no sex-education basically tell her and her family to go screw themselves.

"Hey, why should I get taxed more than poor people? It doesn't matter that I'm making $500,000 a year, the point is that I WORKED for that money. So I shouldn't have to pay any more than the single impoverished mother making $25,000 a year!"

And don't even get me started on freaking religion. Yeah, remember when religion opposed birth control such as freaking condoms? Yeah, that worked out REAL well, didn't it?

MrGeezer

What the OP doesn't realize is that most people get an abortion because they CAN'T ensure the child a decent life.
Letting a baby live only so it can live out miserable life is even worse then killing one.ShotGunBunny

No, most people who get abortions don't want kids and just couldn't keep their pants on.

Your Kidding me, right?

So if a women gets knocked up, and has a baby at age 16, her lifes has to be thrown away!

no chance of career, making money, exploring the world, starting a family when ready, going to college

the women might be raped, and gets pregnant. Her life is gone, she can't do anything.

The principle of Aboration is wrong, anyone wlll agre with that, but the fact that the persons life is gone, not doing anything, being on the border for cash and ahving

to worry about 2 people.

Well, look at it from the view.

hyperkass

My odd personal business is that intriguing?

redfield_137, you weren't even participating in the topic being discussed, and even so I'd appreciate if you'd remove my quote from your sig, okay?

Scarebaby

Because you asked nicely...

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

And anyone who tries to ignore the role that abortion plays on the ability of the poor to advance their situation is not looking at the big picture.

The anti-abortion movement is concerned about social control. Who is getting the most abortions? Poor people and minorities. Who opposes abortion most? Rich which conservatives. There is a large interest in keeping the poor poor, and abortion is one of the biggest tools available for helping people to escape poverty, crime, and misery. Did you ever wonder why crime tends to go down when abortion is legalized, and why crime tends to go way up when abortion is banned? It's because by and large the people making the laws aren't getting the abortions. It's mostly the poor and the disadvantaged who are getting abortions, because they are simply in no way able to provide a good life for their children.

Meanwhile some upper class people with good educations try to fight abortion, which is the same thing that gives the poor a better chance of making a better life for their children. These being the same people who don't give a flying **** about helping kids once they are BORN. They fight ABORTION sure, with the hope that poor and uneducated people have more children (keep in mind that these are often the same people opposing sex education in schools with a disproportionately high teen pregnancy rate). Now once the poor single mother with no job actually HAS her child, and then goes to ask for help, the people pushing for no abortion and no sex-education basically tell her and her family to go screw themselves.

"Hey, why should I get taxed more than poor people? It doesn't matter that I'm making $500,000 a year, the point is that I WORKED for that money. So I shouldn't have to pay any more than the single impoverished mother making $25,000 a year!"

And don't even get me started on freaking religion. Yeah, remember when religion opposed birth control such as freaking condoms? Yeah, that worked out REAL well, didn't it?

MrGeezer

The social control argument's really interesting, but seems a bit off. The strongest opponents to abortion tend to be catholics, who we could hardly say constitute the wealthiest in society. It;s actually the white collar liberals who are usually pro-abortion. I don't think they choose to abort for themselves because they can't afford to keep the child, but because they've a) decided it isn't a child yet anyway, and b) can't be bothered to bring the kid up because they'd rather keep the cash and save the time and effort.

I could be wrong here, but it always seemed to me that wealthier families are usually smaller than poorer families.

And what if that baby turns out to be Norman Borlaug and save billions of lives through advances in agricultural technology?foxhound_fox

If I was a woman then I'd want the right to decide if I wanted a baby to tear through my genitals and make me poo and vomit in front of people. Abortion is about individual circumstances and I really can't say how anyone could give an answer like it applies to everyone.

I agree, some people don't however, but I pose a question to them. At what point does the child become viable? Cause I don't see how anyone could kill a child after they are viable. ferrari2001

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

And anyone who tries to ignore the role that abortion plays on the ability of the poor to advance their situation is not looking at the big picture.

The anti-abortion movement is concerned about social control. Who is getting the most abortions? Poor people and minorities. Who opposes abortion most? Rich which conservatives. There is a large interest in keeping the poor poor, and abortion is one of the biggest tools available for helping people to escape poverty, crime, and misery. Did you ever wonder why crime tends to go down when abortion is legalized, and why crime tends to go way up when abortion is banned? It's because by and large the people making the laws aren't getting the abortions. It's mostly the poor and the disadvantaged who are getting abortions, because they are simply in no way able to provide a good life for their children.

Meanwhile some upper class people with good educations try to fight abortion, which is the same thing that gives the poor a better chance of making a better life for their children. These being the same people who don't give a flying **** about helping kids once they are BORN. They fight ABORTION sure, with the hope that poor and uneducated people have more children (keep in mind that these are often the same people opposing sex education in schools with a disproportionately high teen pregnancy rate). Now once the poor single mother with no job actually HAS her child, and then goes to ask for help, the people pushing for no abortion and no sex-education basically tell her and her family to go screw themselves.

"Hey, why should I get taxed more than poor people? It doesn't matter that I'm making $500,000 a year, the point is that I WORKED for that money. So I shouldn't have to pay any more than the single impoverished mother making $25,000 a year!"

And don't even get me started on freaking religion. Yeah, remember when religion opposed birth control such as freaking condoms? Yeah, that worked out REAL well, didn't it?

jimmyjammer69

The social control argument's really interesting, but seems a bit off. The strongest opponents to abortion tend to be catholics, who we could hardly say constitute the wealthiest in society. It;s actually the white collar liberals who are usually pro-abortion. I don't think they choose to abort for themselves because they can't afford to keep the child, but because they've a) decided it isn't a child yet anyway, and b) can't be bothered to bring the kid up because they'd rather keep the cash and save the time and effort.

I could be wrong here, but it always seemed to me that wealthier families are usually smaller than poorer families.

and catholics are pretty well off where I live (semi-suburban Queens, NYC). finally, middle cl@ss white collar liberals don't ask for abortion nearly as much as the poor (if I'm wrong, please provide a link).

[QUOTE="jubino"]

[QUOTE="Infinite-Zr0"]

This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

jimmyjammer69

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"][QUOTE="jubino"] Exactly. Every time you wanna blast off some knuckle babies, you're denying potentially millions of living organisms the right to live. It doesn't matter what stage it's at, it's all the same if you're going to argue down that route.

darkIink

underlined is true because the poor family does not plan as well, hence the poor asking a lot more for abortions than rich families. so you are actually supporting mrgeezer.

and catholics are pretty well off where I live (semi-suburban Queens, NYC). finally, middle cl@ss white collar liberals don't ask for abortion nearly as much as the poor (if I'm wrong, please provide a link).

darkIink

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="darkIink"] see this really ticks me off. the right wing attends bio 101 and comes back with smiles and new arguments. you guys said a 10 cell fetus is a POTENTIAL LIFE, TO GROW INTO A MARRIED ADULT (page 1 of this thread, see pics). a SPERM has the POTENTIAL to fertilize and GROW UP TO BE A HUMAN ADULT as well. SO WHY DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ONLY WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT FOR YOUR ARGUMENT?

Qooroo

A fetus is no more a life than a sperm is. It's a step closer, but it's still not there. The 'potential life' argument against abortion arbitrarily picks a point at which a potential life should be given the rights of a life. It's all rather silly.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

[QUOTE="darkIink"] see this really ticks me off. the right wing attends bio 101 and comes back with smiles and new arguments. you guys said a 10 cell fetus is a POTENTIAL LIFE, TO GROW INTO A MARRIED ADULT (page 1 of this thread, see pics). a SPERM has the POTENTIAL to fertilize and GROW UP TO BE A HUMAN ADULT as well. SO WHY DO YOU DRAW THE LINE ONLY WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT FOR YOUR ARGUMENT?

Qooroo

A fetus is no more a life than a sperm is. It's a step closer, but it's still not there. The 'potential life' argument against abortion arbitrarily picks a point at which a potential life should be given the rights of a life. It's all rather silly.

[QUOTE="McJugga"][QUOTE="Qooroo"]

A fetus is no more a life than a sperm is. It's a step closer, but it's still not there. The 'potential life' argument against abortion arbitrarily picks a point at which a potential life should be given the rights of a life. It's all rather silly.

Qooroo

Combine a sperm with an egg and it will grow. Combine a fetus with an egg and nothing will happen.

Sperm + egg = fetus.

Fetus + egg = fetus.

Since fetus = fetus, sperm + egg = fetus + egg. Since egg = egg, sperm = fetus.

:o

Sperm + egg = fetus.

Fetus + egg = fetus.

chessmaster1989

This discovery will rock the scientific community to its very core O_o

Sperm + egg = fetus.

Fetus + egg = fetus.

Since fetus = fetus, sperm + egg = fetus + egg. Since egg = egg, sperm = fetus.

:o

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Sperm + egg = fetus.

Fetus + egg = fetus.

Funky_Llama

This discovery will rock the scientific community to its very core O_o

Read my full post, that's what I said :x

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]

I am for abortion because of this:

fyi TC, this is a Scanning Electron Microscope picture. in order to take this picture, the "fetus" and the surrounding tissue would have to be removed from the woman, fixed and dehydrated in a chemical solution, stained with heavy metals, embedded in plastic, thinly sliced with a glass blade, and then placed in the pathway of an electron beam. In short, you killed a baby to get this picture, therefore you are an abortionist.

Welcome to dark side brother :twisted:

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Sperm + egg = fetus.

Fetus + egg = fetus.

Since fetus = fetus, sperm + egg = fetus + egg. Since egg = egg, sperm = fetus.

:o

clembo1990

So, we have confirmed, through mathematics, that sperm = fetus, but an egg is worthless :o.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Why do you use protection since not using that also gives potential to someone being an adult?:roll:foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Why do you use protection since not using that also gives potential to someone being an adult?:roll:MetalGear_Ninty

fyi TC, this is a Scanning Electron Microscope picture. in order to take this picture, the "fetus" and the surrounding tissue would have to be removed from the woman, fixed and dehydrated in a chemical solution, stained with heavy metals, embedded in plastic, thinly sliced with a glass blade, and then placed in the pathway of an electron beam. In short, you killed a baby to get this picture, therefore you are an abortionist.

Welcome to dark side brother :twisted:

Indian_Playa

Ya, I know. I wish that this picture never had to be taken, but it doesn't cause any more pain to look at it. Just like looking at a picutre of a murder scene doesn't mean that you support murder.

it's horrible. say what you want, but it's murder. it's killing another living humanshoeman12

You're right. It is technically killing a human (since it's made of human cells).

But here's my thoughts:

Who cares?

Is a fetus a technical human? Sure, why not. Does it deserve the same rights as everyone else? No way.

Ya, I know. I wish that this picture never had to be taken, but it doesn't cause any more pain to look at it. Just like looking at a picutre of a murder scene doesn't mean that you support murder.McJugga

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]it's horrible. say what you want, but it's murder. it's killing another living humanRadBooley

You're right. It is technically killing a human (since it's made of human cells).

But here's my thoughts:

Who cares?

Is a fetus a technical human? Sure, why not. Does it deserve the same rights as everyone else? No way.

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]it's horrible. say what you want, but it's murder. it's killing another living humanRadBooley

You're right. It is technically killing a human (since it's made of human cells).

But here's my thoughts:

Who cares?

Is a fetus a technical human? Sure, why not. Does it deserve the same rights as everyone else? No way.

[QUOTE="McJugga"]Ya, I know. I wish that this picture never had to be taken, but it doesn't cause any more pain to look at it. Just like looking at a picutre of a murder scene doesn't mean that you support murder.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

[QUOTE="shoeman12"]it's horrible. say what you want, but it's murder. it's killing another living humanMcJugga

You're right. It is technically killing a human (since it's made of human cells).

But here's my thoughts:

Who cares?

Is a fetus a technical human? Sure, why not. Does it deserve the same rights as everyone else? No way.

Well, I guess you could put it that way.

Surely you can recognize that there's a difference between THIS:

...and THIS:

Infinite-Zr0:This is a sperm, everytime you masturbate you commit genocide.

Too bad that isn't a human life and is a full-on straw-man of most anti-abortion arguments. Amazing how such blatant straw mans can come from the non-religious side of the fence as well.

Every time you have sex, by your logic, you are also committing mass genocide, since the 299,999,999 sperm that don't make it to the ovum, die trying.

hip-hop-cola2: Well its not. Your the one giving that unified pair such high importance, Its still just a group of cells at the time regardless of what it will become.

And technically a fully grown human being is just a clump of cells as well. Bone cells, skin cells, brain cells, blood cells, muscle cells, organ cells, etc. Fail argument is fail.

matthayter700: Not likely; IIRC those who are aborted are those who would otherwise be born to families who wouldn't want to raise those children, often because they can't afford them, which would imply that when raising the child they couldn't afford to educate the child as much as a wealtheir family could...

I still fail to see how this justifies abortion. It is just an assumption. You think that there might be a chance that their life could turn out that way. But there is also a chance it won't. And affording to support a child has no correlation to how a child is raised and how good the parents are at parenting. Perfectly fine children are raised in sub-standard homes to great parents while disobedient and disrespectful children are raised in opulent homes by terrible parents.

MetalGear_Ninty:Well the zygote doesn't have the potential to become a baby without a uterus. You using the word 'potential' is a great intellectual misjudgement -- in reality, potential counts for nothing.

And an infant doesn't have the potential to become a toddler without its mother feeding it and caring for it. Potential to be a full grown human accounts for a lot more than a potential to one day be human (i.e. gametes). If you use the logic that a zygote cannot survive on its own without exterior support and that gives us the right to ends its life, then why not justify infanticide as well? Without its mother or father caring for it, a helpless infant will die of exposure within days.