Why is the United States constantly bashed?

[QUOTE="whoody12"][QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="whoody12"][QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="whoody12"][QUOTE="Second_Rook"][QUOTE="whoody12"]

- violating human rights : only can think of 1 example right now, Napalm

blackngold29

WW2 was a cataclysmic event and could only be brought to an end with something as drastic and obscene as a nuclear weapon. Somebody had to do it.

plz, read a book about nuclear weapons before you ever post again on GS

thanks

What do you reccomend and which have you read?

start with the basic, nuclear weapons stand far from napalm

Is that so? I will need a title.

Napalm = a bomb with a certain combination of oil, that can reach a temperature of 1200C

nuclear = a way to split alot of atoms with a small explosion

no, I just pay attention in school, maybe you should too.

so you can make some proper arguments next time

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]Ah, I'm from Canada, and I personally love America, a lot of things there are just so cool! However, your eating portions in resurants aren't realistic. I was never fully finishing my plate of food, our portions up here are just smaller more human like :P. One more thing as well is that you guys can be very rude, oh and you don't like to cover up your ghettos I took one wrong turn in Buffalo and thought someone was going to steal my car. It was like -20 out and there were random people standing on the side walks looking off in space.-R3Vo

Haha, that's awesome!

explains obesity

Hmm, I don't know. I only bash Americans if they say stupid things...as in "We have to most powerful army in the whole frekkin world, and you should be happy we don't use it against you" or "This is obviously the greatest country in the world".

jointed

[QUOTE="-R3Vo"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="-R3Vo"]Ah, I'm from Canada, and I personally love America, a lot of things there are just so cool! However, your eating portions in resurants aren't realistic. I was never fully finishing my plate of food, our portions up here are just smaller more human like :P. One more thing as well is that you guys can be very rude, oh and you don't like to cover up your ghettos I took one wrong turn in Buffalo and thought someone was going to steal my car. It was like -20 out and there were random people standing on the side walks looking off in space.whoody12

Haha, that's awesome!

explains obesity

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp Maybe you should do some reading, intro paragraph: "Of the roughly 355 still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest"

blackngold29

what is the point any sort of justice system if they punish you for what you have been accused of, not what you are guilty of?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp Maybe you should do some reading, intro paragraph: "Of the roughly 355 still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest"

Mr_sprinkles

what is the point any sort of justice system if they punish you for what you have been accused of, not what you are guilty of?

prinkles are you by change from holland ? we have very similar rules

No country is perfect but US has done and keeps doing many unforgivable things. If I'd list the reasons I dislike america.

- Constant violating of human rights

- Iraq which cannot be justified

- All the other wars involving oil

- Polluting and not doing anything about it

Those are the mains reasons. Then there are things that irritate me.

- Over patriotism

- Over religious (sorry if this hurts someone)

- I absolutely hate the mainstream US media. Well its yours but the way Europe keeps adapting it sucks...

- The way americans act that ww2 was US vs Germany = US won. The deaths of US soldiers make up 2% of total deaths in that war. So guess what you werent the only ones fighting.

Of course there are countries which deserve alot more **** than you guys but you are also the biggest super power on this planet atm. Thats the reason.

sprinkles are you by change from holland ? we have very similar rules

whoody12

No country is perfect but US has done and keeps doing many unforgivable things. If I'd list the reasons I dislike america.

- Constant violating of human rights

- Iraq which cannot be justified

- All the other wars involving oil

- Polluting and not doing anything about it

Those are the mains reasons. Then there are things that irritate me.

- Over patriotism

- Over religious (sorry if this hurts someone)

- I absolutely hate the mainstream US media. Well its yours but the way Europe keeps adapting it sucks...

- The way americans act that ww2 was US vs Germany = US won. The deaths of US soldiers make up 2% of total deaths in that war. So guess what you werent the only ones fighting.

Pessu

I think that we need to eliminate gas powered cars, that is the oil industry's fault not the US

Al Gore loves talking about pollution

We aren't over patriotic (see argument in prior posts)

How can you be over religious, that is the choice of the individual

I also hate the US mainstream media

The US accounts for 2% of deaths in WW2, because we only fought half the time. only Soviets, China and Yugoslavia had a highter %

Hitler stood up for what he believed in - the Aryan Race and persecution of Jews. Just because someone stands up for what they believe in doesn't make it a good thing.Total-KO

Iraq can't be justified? What do you consider Sept 11?

blackngold29

WTF? Iraq had nothing to do with Sept 11.

People bash the US because it's filled with with arrogant pricks. Maybe not all of you are that way, but that is the image that you show the world.

On a side note, i'm from Romania and it seems that that the whole world thinks we are thieves nowadays, but it is okay, i mean it's better to be considered a cunning thief ,so that everyone watches their wallets when i'm around, than an arrogant fool who thinks his country is the World Police. When the US is asked for help (like trying to reduce it's pollution for the sake of the world) it refuses, however when there's oil involved you can count on America to come and help, uninvited... people hate that, trust me.

Nobody likes wars yet for some reason america thinks that wars are an answer to everything... people also hate you because of that.

And let's not forget that millions hate you for suporting Israel.(not saying that is bad but the timing was horrible)

But in the end you deserve all this bashing because you did it to yourselves, in a hundred years however people will bash the next military power who thinks that it rules the world, be it China, Russia, Canada ... it may even be Monaco for what we know.

(i seem to have generalized a lot in my post, sorry if you felt offended, but that is how some ,if not most, of eastern europeans see the US)

[QUOTE="Total-KO"]Hitler stood up for what he believed in - the Aryan Race and persecution of Jews. Just because someone stands up for what they believe in doesn't make it a good thing.blackngold29

Fair Dues then.

You know why the US is constantly bashed though don't you? The world gives it plenty of times to shine but just drops the ball.

The KYOTO treaty to guarantee a target of pollution reduction, the US, largest contributor of pollution in the World, fails to ratify it. Regardless of your stance on global warming, surely most people are for the view that we should preserve the world that was given to us, regardless of belief. Then, why not ratify the treaty for the US and set a target?

Just one example tho.

Iraq can't be justified? What do you consider Sept 11?

blackngold29

Was Iraq behind Sept 11? No it wasnt. You went in iraq because of imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

People bash the US because it's filled with with arrogant pricks. Maybe not all of you are that way, but that is the image that you show the world.

On a side note, i'm from Romania and it seems that that the whole world thinks we are thieves nowadays, but it is okay, i mean it's better to be considered a cunning thief ,so that everyone watches their wallets when i'm around, than an arrogant fool who thinks his country is the World Police. When the US is asked for help (like trying to reduce it's pollution for the sake of the world) it refuses, however when there's oil involved you can count on America to come and help, uninvited... people hate that, trust me.

Nobody likes wars yet for some reason america thinks that wars are an answer to everything... people also hate you because of that.

And let's not forget that millions hate you for suporting Israel.(not saying that is bad but the timing was horrible)

But in the end you deserve all this bashing because you did it to yourselves, in a hundred years however people will bash the next military power who thinks that it rules the world, be it China, Russia, Canada ... it may even be Monaco for what we know.

(i seem to have generalized a lot in my post, sorry if you felt offended, but that is how some ,if not most, of eastern europeans see the US)

TheSaiyajin

Yeah generalization sucks.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Total-KO"]Hitler stood up for what he believed in - the Aryan Race and persecution of Jews. Just because someone stands up for what they believe in doesn't make it a good thing.Total-KO

Fair Dues then.

You know why the US is constantly bashed though don't you? The world gives it plenty of times to shine but just drops the ball.

The KYOTO treaty to guarantee a target of pollution reduction, the US, largest contributor of pollution in the World, fails to ratify it. Regardless of your stance on global warming, surely most people are for the view that we should preserve the world that was given to us, regardless of belief. Then, why not ratify the treaty for the US and set a target?

Just one example tho.

FYI, that was the sole decision of GWBush. Not the opinion of most Americans. (and BTW, barely half of the voting population voted for him, if even that. There are 240 million of us who did not vote for him.)

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Iraq can't be justified? What do you consider Sept 11?

Pessu

Was Iraq behind Sept 11? No it wasnt. You went in iraq because of imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

We went in there with information we thought was right, which later turned out to be not so right. I'm not going to pretend to know how to run the country so thats all I'll say on that.

We went in there with information we thought was right, which later turned out to be not so right. I'm not going to pretend to know how to run the country so thats all I'll say on that.

Ragnarok1051

Wrong again. There never was any evidence of wmd's and every report agreed with that. You went there with false reasons. Only God knows what the real reason was. Oil?

Ok I'm flame baiting but still...

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

Iraq can't be justified? What do you consider Sept 11?

Pessu

Was Iraq behind Sept 11? No it wasnt. You went in iraq because of imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

People tend to bash Individual Americans rather than the country as a whole because the majority of annoying people on xbox live / multiplayer games in general tend to be American ajc_176

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

We went in there with information we thought was right, which later turned out to be not so right. I'm not going to pretend to know how to run the country so thats all I'll say on that.

Pessu

Wrong again. There never was any evidence of wmd's and every report agreed with that. You went there with false reasons. Only God knows what the real reason was. Oil?

Ok I flame baiting a little but still...

I don't see why people keeping going with that whole oil trump card. Nobody in this country has gotten anything out of invading Iraq but the end of a tyrant. We went in with bad intelligence, which turned out to be wrong....so so wrong.

ple keeping going with that whole oil trump card. Nobody in this country has gotten anything out of invading Iraq but the end of a tyrant. We went in with bad intelligence, which turned out to be wrong....so so wrong.

Ragnarok1051

You'd cry too if you were paying over two dollars for one liter of gas. Thats what I'm paying in Finland.

We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.blackngold29

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

ple keeping going with that whole oil trump card. Nobody in this country has gotten anything out of invading Iraq but the end of a tyrant. We went in with bad intelligence, which turned out to be wrong....so so wrong.

Pessu

You'd cry too if you were paying over two dollars for one liter of gas. Thats what I'm paying in Finland.

We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.blackngold29

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

ple keeping going with that whole oil trump card. Nobody in this country has gotten anything out of invading Iraq but the end of a tyrant. We went in with bad intelligence, which turned out to be wrong....so so wrong.

Pessu

You'd cry too if you were paying over two dollars for one liter of gas. Thats what I'm paying in Finland.

We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.blackngold29

How many civilians died during the war? I dare say we don't even know a good bit of Saddams victims.

[QUOTE="Pessu"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

ple keeping going with that whole oil trump card. Nobody in this country has gotten anything out of invading Iraq but the end of a tyrant. We went in with bad intelligence, which turned out to be wrong....so so wrong.

blackngold29

You'd cry too if you were paying over two dollars for one liter of gas. Thats what I'm paying in Finland.

I already did. I cannot afford driving anymore. I'm a student so I dont make much money.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.Engrish_Major

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

He kept them at bay with oppression and brutality.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.Engrish_Major

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.blackngold29

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

We haven't provided that either.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.Engrish_Major

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

We haven't provided that either.

I understand that the war is a big controversey, but after Sept 11, when over 3000 people were murdered (remember that?), everybody was pretty much for it. George W. Bush is still fighting because he's standing up for what he believes in. Is that a bad thing? I think not.

blackngold29

Bringing up the spectre of Hitler is often over-used, over-dramatic rhetoric... but so often correct because it points out the fallacy the principal of an argument. In this case, I would point out that Hitler too believed in what he was doing. No one argues that the US was entitled to strike back at it's attackers, but unfortunately Iraq wasn't them! It's like Roosevelt going after Korea after Pearl Harbour.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I understand that the war is a big controversey, but after Sept 11, when over 3000 people were murdered (remember that?), everybody was pretty much for it. George W. Bush is still fighting because he's standing up for what he believes in. Is that a bad thing? I think not.

dsmccracken

Bringing up the spectre of Hitler is often over-used, over-dramatic rhetoric... but so often correct because it points out the fallacy the principal of an argument. In this case, I would point out that Hitler too believed in what he was doing. No one argues that the US was entitled to strike back at it's attackers, but unfortunately Iraq wasn't them! It's like Roosevelt going after Korea after Pearl Harbour.

If my intelligence had told me Korea was involved as well I'd do something.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I understand that the war is a big controversey, but after Sept 11, when over 3000 people were murdered (remember that?), everybody was pretty much for it. George W. Bush is still fighting because he's standing up for what he believes in. Is that a bad thing? I think not.

dsmccracken

Bringing up the spectre of Hitler is often over-used, over-dramatic rhetoric... but so often correct because it points out the fallacy the principal of an argument. In this case, I would point out that Hitler too believed in what he was doing. No one argues that the US was entitled to strike back at it's attackers, but unfortunately Iraq wasn't them! It's like Roosevelt going after Korea after Pearl Harbour.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.blackngold29

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

See, this is what defending the invasion of Iraq now boils down to. I call it the "Bad Dude" defense. Saddam was often a brutal leader (a bad dude), and therefore deserved to be attacked regardless of the lack of connections with 9/11. Problem is, if this is all it takes, the world is FULL of bad dudes, in Africa, in Central/South America, is Asia, in other Middle Eastern countries, are they all next? Or is that privelege reserved only for oil-rich countries?

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.dsmccracken

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

See, this is what defending the invasion of Iraq now boils down to. I call it the "Bad Dude" defense. Saddam was often a brutal leader (a bad dude), and therefore deserved to be attacked regardless of the lack of connections with 9/11. Problem is, if this is all it takes, the world is FULL of bad dudes, in Africa, in Central/South America, is Asia, in other Middle Eastern countries, are they all next? Or is that privelege reserved only for oil-rich countries?

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I understand that the war is a big controversey, but after Sept 11, when over 3000 people were murdered (remember that?), everybody was pretty much for it. George W. Bush is still fighting because he's standing up for what he believes in. Is that a bad thing? I think not.

blackngold29

Bringing up the spectre of Hitler is often over-used, over-dramatic rhetoric... but so often correct because it points out the fallacy the principal of an argument. In this case, I would point out that Hitler too believed in what he was doing. No one argues that the US was entitled to strike back at it's attackers, but unfortunately Iraq wasn't them! It's like Roosevelt going after Korea after Pearl Harbour.

Of course he didn't go after Korea, it was an analogy.

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.blackngold29

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

See, this is what defending the invasion of Iraq now boils down to. I call it the "Bad Dude" defense. Saddam was often a brutal leader (a bad dude), and therefore deserved to be attacked regardless of the lack of connections with 9/11. Problem is, if this is all it takes, the world is FULL of bad dudes, in Africa, in Central/South America, is Asia, in other Middle Eastern countries, are they all next? Or is that privelege reserved only for oil-rich countries?

Go after them next... so there will be no end to it then, war after war after war... until all the dictarors are gone... deluded.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I understand that the war is a big controversey, but after Sept 11, when over 3000 people were murdered (remember that?), everybody was pretty much for it. George W. Bush is still fighting because he's standing up for what he believes in. Is that a bad thing? I think not.

dsmccracken

Bringing up the spectre of Hitler is often over-used, over-dramatic rhetoric... but so often correct because it points out the fallacy the principal of an argument. In this case, I would point out that Hitler too believed in what he was doing. No one argues that the US was entitled to strike back at it's attackers, but unfortunately Iraq wasn't them! It's like Roosevelt going after Korea after Pearl Harbour.

Of course he didn't go after Korea, it was an analogy.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.Ragnarok1051

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

He kept them at bay with oppression and brutality.

Again, him and half the leaders on the planet. So why not North Korea next? The US goes after a country they think MIGHT have a nuclear program, yet avoids one that they KNOW has one.

[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="blackngold29"]We should put Sadam back in power and see how everybody else likes it...oh wait.dsmccracken

Saddam actually was doing all of the things we fail to do in Iraq: keep the factions from fighting each other, and keeping Imenadinajad at bay.

See, this is what defending the invasion of Iraq now boils down to. I call it the "Bad Dude" defense. Saddam was often a brutal leader (a bad dude), and therefore deserved to be attacked regardless of the lack of connections with 9/11. Problem is, if this is all it takes, the world is FULL of bad dudes, in Africa, in Central/South America, is Asia, in other Middle Eastern countries, are they all next? Or is that privelege reserved only for oil-rich countries?

Go after them next... so there will be no end to it then, war after war after war... until all the dictarors are gone... deluded.

Hmm, I don't know. I only bash Americans if they say stupid things...as in "We have to most powerful army in the whole frekkin world, and you should be happy we don't use it against you" or "This is obviously the greatest country in the world".jointed

Because everyone wants to be usxSIZEMATTER

Guys, this ignorance is one of the reasons...:roll:

[QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="dsmccracken"][QUOTE="blackngold29"]

I understand that the war is a big controversey, but after Sept 11, when over 3000 people were murdered (remember that?), everybody was pretty much for it. George W. Bush is still fighting because he's standing up for what he believes in. Is that a bad thing? I think not.

blackngold29

Bringing up the spectre of Hitler is often over-used, over-dramatic rhetoric... but so often correct because it points out the fallacy the principal of an argument. In this case, I would point out that Hitler too believed in what he was doing. No one argues that the US was entitled to strike back at it's attackers, but unfortunately Iraq wasn't them! It's like Roosevelt going after Korea after Pearl Harbour.

Of course he didn't go after Korea, it was an analogy.

What terrorists in Iraq? The country is flooded with them NOW, they've all come to play guerrilla! Before the war though, this was hardly the case. From what I've watched and read, as much of a ba$tard as Saddam was, he didn't hold much with the Taliban, Al Queda, or Osama. Those influences came AFTER the US invaded, not before.