Why is USA usually the innocent nation?

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

...figures this convo would devolute into Star Wars dogma...pathetic...

There are very few people in the world that are truly innocent, and they're all those who haven't lived long enough to have the chance to lose it. There is evil and wrongdoing in the very nature of humans, and therefor we gradually lose all of our "innocence." The US isn't innocent. No countries ever are. Now, if you're implying that the US doesn't get blamed or have fingers pointed at them very often, that's a different story. But, to be honest, the US uses so many straw dogs to cover up some of the more terrible things we do. It could be a lot worse than it really is.

Oh well.

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

Espada12

.. Uhh.. Not sure how that would be considered a BAD thing per say.. A country like Iraq would do speciifcally for economic and political gain.. Especially when France and Britain wronged them in the past.. And I am quite sure they were unaware of the acts that we full well know the Nazi's were doing in hindsight.

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

Espada12

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Robbler

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

sSubZerOo

.. Uhh.. Not sure how that would be considered a BAD thing per say.. A country like Iraq would do speciifcally for economic and political gain.. Especially when France and Britain wronged them in the past.. And I am quite sure they were unaware of the acts that we full well know the Nazi's were doing in hindsight.

Probably but I'm just showing everyone has done some questionable things in the past.

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Robbler

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Virtual_Price

WOW, I never realized so many people were corrupted by LUCAS TM pop culture...this is sad.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

lordreaven

I know, they never formally joined the axis however they did aid the germans. Although they also helped the jews so I guess that may cancel it out o.O

no country is innocent. most if not all countries are guilty in one shape or form. the US included.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Robbler

WOW, I never realized so many people were corrupted by LUCAS TM pop culture...this is sad.

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Robbler

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

I know, they never formally joined the axis however they did aid the germans. Although they also helped the jews so I guess that may cancel it out o.O

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

Espada12

Sweden technically remained neutral even though they were supplying the Germans with iron ore.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] Finland actually nevre sided with Germany in the war, they where asked for if the german army could use its land as a staging ground and agreed. but Finland NEVER joined the Axis. Infact, Finland Declared war on the USSR after they bombed a Finish town.lordreaven

I know, they never formally joined the axis however they did aid the germans. Although they also helped the jews so I guess that may cancel it out o.O

They did? I thought they were just supposed to expel germany forces? o.o the more you learn I guess!

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"] Yeah, but it fits in with reality, too. You don't pay attention too much, do you?Virtual_Price

WOW, I never realized so many people were corrupted by LUCAS TM pop culture...this is sad.

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

coolbeans90

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Deal with it.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

WOW, I never realized so many people were corrupted by LUCAS TM pop culture...this is sad.

Robbler

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

Hitler thought he was doing something good, while you as the rest of the world saw his actions as Evil.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

WOW, I never realized so many people were corrupted by LUCAS TM pop culture...this is sad.

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I know, they never formally joined the axis however they did aid the germans. Although they also helped the jews so I guess that may cancel it out o.O

Espada12

They did? I thought they were just supposed to expel germany forces? o.o the more you learn I guess!

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Deal with it.

Realistically though, I've seen the U.S. chastised as often as being praised. From what I gather our reputation seems to have taken a nose dive in the past decade.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"] ... *sigh* In WW2, Hitler thought he was doing a good, NOT evil, thing by invading the rest of Europe... Obviously, everybody else thought it was evil... So yeah, it does fit in with the real world also, smart one. You, my friend, are sad.

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"] ... *sigh* In WW2, Hitler thought he was doing a good, NOT evil, thing by invading the rest of Europe... Obviously, everybody else thought it was evil... So yeah, it does fit in with the real world also, smart one. You, my friend, are sad.

Snipes_2

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

Hitler thought he was doing something good, while you as the rest of the world saw his actions as Evil.

OMG! I actaully agree with snipes for once *faints*

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Also people would be surprised at those who joined the nazis in the war, Sweden, finland, spain, italy, hungary, romania and even iraq lolol. No one is really innocent imo.

ragek1ll589

Sweden technically remained neutral even though they were supplying the Germans with iron ore.

The Americans, British and a bunch of other countries supplied them with lead. 8)

Most people here see the U.S. as an aggressive nation...Lonelynight

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

Hitler thought he was doing something good, while you as the rest of the world saw his actions as Evil.

OMG! I actaully agree with snipes for once *faints*

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"] ... *sigh* In WW2, Hitler thought he was doing a good, NOT evil, thing by invading the rest of Europe... Obviously, everybody else thought it was evil... So yeah, it does fit in with the real world also, smart one. You, my friend, are sad.

Virtual_Price

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

Wrong and right is not a moral debate, it is an issue of popular discourse and bombs and bullets and missiles.

I'm pretty sure its the exact opposite. Thanks TC forinput.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Just how nerdy can one be, substituting history with Star Wars!? That is lame and embarrassing.

Wrong and right is not a moral debate, it is an issue of popular discourse and bombs and bullets and missiles.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Star Wars is bad Space Opera fiction. Reality should be given better consideration.

Robbler

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Deal with it.

I will show you the power of the Dark Side!

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Deal with it.

I will show you the power of the Dark Side!

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

-TheSecondSign-

Deal with it.

I will show you the power of the Dark Side!

Yesssssssssssss! :twisted:

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Deal with it.

I will show you the power of the Dark Side!

Yesssssssssssss! :twisted:

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"] Let me say this slowly one more time so I can get it through your thick head... That quote may be in a fictional movie, but it's true if you think about world history... Virtual_Price

Wrong and right is not a moral debate, it is an issue of popular discourse and bombs and bullets and missiles.

Americas form of liberty did not suit their own needs, and the Afghan's see things the same way. American style democracy does not suit tribal Afghanistan any more than it suited the Vietnamese.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Wrong and right is not a moral debate, it is an issue of popular discourse and bombs and bullets and missiles.

Americas form of liberty did not suit their own needs, and the Afghan's see things the same way. American style democracy does not suit tribal Afghanistan any more than it suited the Vietnamese.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Wrong and right is not a moral debate, it is an issue of popular discourse and bombs and bullets and missiles.

Americas form of liberty did not suit their own needs, and the Afghan's see things the same way. American style democracy does not suit tribal Afghanistan any more than it suited the Vietnamese.

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I will show you the power of the Dark Side!

lordreaven

Yesssssssssssss! :twisted:

You may rise my apprentice. :twisted:

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

Yesssssssssssss! :twisted:

Virtual_Price

You may rise my apprentice. :twisted:

Yes....

My master...

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

*bows in worship*lordreaven

You may rise my apprentice. :twisted:

Yes....

My master...

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"] *bows in worship*-TheSecondSign-

You may rise my apprentice. :twisted:

Yes....

My master...

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

Basically go kill this jedi who is attacking a Tie Fighter Factory. :P

[QUOTE="scorch-62"]USA innocent? I lol'd.LJS9502_basic

Wales

Wales is innocent.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]USA innocent? I lol'd.poptart

Wales

Wales is innocent.

Buts its Wales.

:?

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Which nation is innocent?-TheSecondSign-

Wales

Wales is innocent.

Buts its Wales.

:?

Did somebody say whales?

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

[QUOTE="Virtual_Price"]

You may rise my apprentice. :twisted:

Yes....

My master...

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

Basically go kill this jedi who is attacking a Tie Fighter Factory. :P