why would god create us to put us in hell?

I mean we didn't choose if we wanted to be born, so why would he put us in hell? Whats stopping him from just leaving us dead (unless you go to heaven).batboy113

Because he's a figment of our imagination.

I mean we didn't choose if we wanted to be born, so why would he put us in hell? Whats stopping him from just leaving us dead (unless you go to heaven).batboy113

Because He loves you.

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Yeah, I don't get it either.

He wouldn't, because he didnt'.Bourbons3

Explain what you mean.

God isn't real.Spartan_385

Perfect answer.

Actually, He doesn't put you there.....you put yourself there. /thread.LJS9502_basic

I wish I had the power to put people in hell. But I don't.

Because he's a misanthrope. Why else would the concept of original sin (your existence is a sin) be?Video_Game_King

Technically, He didn't come up with original sin. Man did.:|

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]He wouldn't, because he didnt'.unholymight

Explain what you mean.

God isn't real.Spartan_385

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Because he's a misanthrope. Why else would the concept of original sin (your existence is a sin) be?LJS9502_basic

Technically, He didn't come up with original sin. Man did.:|

Man can't come up with ideas if he didn't exist, now can he?

Man can't come up with ideas if he didn't exist, now can he?

unholymight

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Because he's a misanthrope. Why else would the concept of original sin (your existence is a sin) be?LJS9502_basic

Technically, He didn't come up with original sin. Man did.:|

He's holding a grudge. If Christianity is all about forgiveness, why does God have to hold me responsible for the actions of my ancestors? That would be like me holding George W. Bush, the president of America, responsible for the bad treatment and discrimination of Irish immigrants (I'm half Irish, to make the analogy make sense).

I refer to:

God isn't real.Spartan_385

You don't need citations for common knowledge.

He's holding a grudge. If Christianity is all about forgiveness, why does God have to hold me responsible for the actions of my ancestors? That would be like me holding George W. Bush, the president of America, responsible for the bad treatment and discrimination of Irish immigrants (I'm half Irish, to make the analogy make sense).

Video_Game_King

Why are you explaining your answer? As I stated...and your answer doesn't seem to understand....man came up with the idea of original sin.....which is just another way of stating....the human condition to sin. God did not come up with that concept.:|

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

He's holding a grudge. If Christianity is all about forgiveness, why does God have to hold me responsible for the actions of my ancestors? That would be like me holding George W. Bush, the president of America, responsible for the bad treatment and discrimination of Irish immigrants (I'm half Irish, to make the analogy make sense).

LJS9502_basic

Why are you explaining your answer? As I stated...and your answer doesn't seem to understand....man came up with the idea of original sin.....which is just another way of stating....the human condition to sin. God did not come up with that concept.:|

Oooh, now I get it: you're essentially saying that man created God, and I agree with you if that is your message (citing evidence within the line "God created man in his image").

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

He's holding a grudge. If Christianity is all about forgiveness, why does God have to hold me responsible for the actions of my ancestors? That would be like me holding George W. Bush, the president of America, responsible for the bad treatment and discrimination of Irish immigrants (I'm half Irish, to make the analogy make sense).

LJS9502_basic

Why are you explaining your answer? As I stated...and your answer doesn't seem to understand....man came up with the idea of original sin.....which is just another way of stating....the human condition to sin. God did not come up with that concept.:|

How do you know? You've never seen him.

Oooh, now I get it: you're essentially saying that man created God, and I agree with you if that is your message (citing evidence within the line "God created man in his image").

Video_Game_King

No...I said man created the concept of original sin. Considering the concept of God is not on our plane of existence...proof or lack thereof is not available.

How do you know? You've never seen him.

unholymight

And you don't know that with authority either.;)

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

Oooh, now I get it: you're essentially saying that man created God, and I agree with you if that is your message (citing evidence within the line "God created man in his image").

LJS9502_basic

No...I said man created the concept of original sin. Considering the concept of God is not on our plane of existence...proof or lack thereof is not available.

So, what is this "concept of original sin"? And did you just admit that God is a concept?

we sin, and because we sin, we deserve to go to hell (which is seperation from god)

So, what is this "concept of original sin"? And did you just admit that God is a concept?

unholymight

He's not physical.....:|

You, I believe, brought up original sin. What did you mean by it?

I mean we didn't choose if we wanted to be born, so why would he put us in hell? Whats stopping him from just leaving us dead (unless you go to heaven).batboy113

Kill yourself then if you dont appreciate your existence.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

So, what is this "concept of original sin"? And did you just admit that God is a concept?

LJS9502_basic

He's not physical.....:|

You, I believe, brought up original sin. What did you mean by it?

You believed wrong, parallel to your belief in God.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

So, what is this "concept of original sin"? And did you just admit that God is a concept?

unholymight

He's not physical.....:|

You, I believe, brought up original sin. What did you mean by it?

You believed wrong, parallel to your belief in God.

You believed wrong, parallel to your belief in God.

unholymight

One of you dudes was on about original sin. I didn't bring it up.

You have absolutely no proof that my belief in God is wrong.;)

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

You believed wrong, parallel to your belief in God.

LJS9502_basic

One of you dudes was on about original sin. I didn't bring it up.

You have absolutely no proof that my belief in God is wrong.;)

If you didn't bring it up, then why were you using terms you didn't understand?

Everything is physical. If God does not belong to that group, then he must therefore be nothing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

You believed wrong, parallel to your belief in God.

unholymight

One of you dudes was on about original sin. I didn't bring it up.

You have absolutely no proof that my belief in God is wrong.;)

If you didn't bring it up, then why were you using terms you didn't understand?

Everything is physical. If God does not belong to that group, then he must be nothing.

If you didn't bring it up, then why were you using terms you didn't understand?

Everything is physical. If God does not belong to that group, then he must be nothing.

unholymight

I understand the term.....that doesn't mean I started the conversation about it.:roll:

Not everything is physical dude.

How about some proof for your statements...

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

You believed wrong, parallel to your belief in God.

notconspiracy

One of you dudes was on about original sin. I didn't bring it up.

You have absolutely no proof that my belief in God is wrong.;)

If you didn't bring it up, then why were you using terms you didn't understand?

Everything is physical. If God does not belong to that group, then he must be nothing.

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

unholymight

Or in a different dimension.....

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

LJS9502_basic

Or in a different dimension.....

So he created man through a common gap in our dimensions? Why hasn't the universe collapsed already?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

unholymight

Or in a different dimension.....

So he created man through a common gap in our dimensions? Why hasn't the universe collapsed already?

Not everything is physical? Name something that belongs outside of this group.

And, if you understand the term, kindly explain it, as I have already asked earlier.

Emotions.....yet they are very real. They exist.

Why would the universe collapse?

Original sin is a concept that mankind is born in a state of sin.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

unholymight

Or in a different dimension.....

So he created man through a common gap in our dimensions? Why hasn't the universe collapsed already?

Not everything is physical? Name something that belongs outside of this group.

And, if you understand the term, kindly explain it, as I have already asked earlier.

Its because of those pesky choices. Now -- if we could only do something about them. :twisted:

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

LJS9502_basic

Or in a different dimension.....

So he created man through a common gap in our dimensions? Why hasn't the universe collapsed already?

Not everything is physical? Name something that belongs outside of this group.

And, if you understand the term, kindly explain it, as I have already asked earlier.

Emotions.....yet they are very real. They exist.

Why would the universe collapse?

Original sin is a concept that mankind is born in a state of sin.

Emotions are created through distinct patterns linking the neurons inside your brain.

Born in a state of sin? Tell me, exactly, when does "birth" happen. Are the molecules of a zygote sinners, as well?

Last time I checked, we have the opportunity to go to Heaven. If we choose not to follow and worship the one true God, that's our fault, and we deserve to be punished. And if you were the supreme, all-powerful, mighty God, let's be honest-you woiuld want some recognition too. stewiegriffin78

but here the question of omnicience arises, in which if he knew you wouldn't worship him then there would be no purpose in creating you except to see you suffer. it also raises the question of why he would want recognition and simultaneously want people to simply have faith (or worship him at all).

Emotions are created through distinct patterns linking the neurons inside your brain.

Born in a state of sin? Tell me, exactly, when does "birth" happen. Are the molecules of a zygote sinners, as well?

unholymight

There is only proof that certain reactions occur in the brain when certain emotions are present. The emotions undoubtedly cause the reaction....not the other way around.

Birth has exactly one definition. Conception is an entirely different term.:|