why would god create us to put us in hell?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

unholymight

Or in a different dimension.....

So he created man through a common gap in our dimensions? Why hasn't the universe collapsed already?

dude, you have a severe short sided perspective on existence. with no more proof than the shirt on your back. how can you consider yourself to be a credible source of knowledge when your claims of knowing everything doesnt exist. Everything is physical? go say that to a university expert in the field, we're still discovering to what extent physical goes especially when it comes to alternate universes and dimensions.

sense you have more knowledge on alternate dimensions, realities, unkown planes of existence. please enlighten us mortal terrans that a mere possibility the universe could collapse because the "god" you know and distrust doesnt understand Hyper-Dimensional Physics?

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

Emotions are created through distinct patterns linking the neurons inside your brain.

Born in a state of sin? Tell me, exactly, when does "birth" happen. Are the molecules of a zygote sinners, as well?

LJS9502_basic

There is only proof that certain reactions occur in the brain when certain emotions are present. The emotions undoubtedly cause the reaction....not the other way around.

Birth has exactly one definition. Conception is an entirely different term.:|

Wait, I thought you were trying to prove emotions weren't physical.

So then, at what point does a zygote obtain a soul?

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Beyond physical? Then he is an idea. Therefore, he exists only in our minds.

Obsurion711

Or in a different dimension.....

So he created man through a common gap in our dimensions? Why hasn't the universe collapsed already?

dude, you have a severe short sided perspective on existence. with no more proof than the shirt on your back. how can you consider yourself to be a credible source of knowledge when your claims of knowing everything doesnt exist. Everything is physical? go say that to a university expert in the field, we're still discovering to what extent physical goes especially when it comes to alternate universes and dimensions.

sense you have more knowledge on alternate dimensions, realities, unkown planes of existence. please enlighten us mortal terrans that a mere possibility the universe could collapse because the "god" you know and distrust doesnt understand Hyper-Dimensional Physics?

We're nearing the horizons of science fiction. And I thought your goal was to make the existence of God credible?

Wait, I thought you were trying to prove emotions weren't physical.

So then, at what point does a zygote obtain a soul?

unholymight

Always...but it's not born.;)

Emotions aren't physical.....you can't see or touch them. They cause a physical reaction. Not the same as being physical dude.

You still didn't provide any proof.

Last time I checked, we have the opportunity to go to Heaven. If we choose not to follow and worship the one true God, that's our fault, and we deserve to be punished. And if you were the supreme, all-powerful, mighty God, let's be honest-you woiuld want some recognition too. stewiegriffin78

If God felt the need to want recognition, that would be a matter of vanity and pride, which are both technically sins. That would be a contradiction in of itself, and even so, that wouldn't explain it. There is no way that anyone has the capability to comprehend the motives of what it is that makes an omniscient being do what it does. So there's no reason to assume that God wants recognition for existing.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wait, I thought you were trying to prove emotions weren't physical.

So then, at what point does a zygote obtain a soul?

LJS9502_basic

Always...but it's not born.;)

Emotions aren't physical.....you can't see or touch them. They cause a physical reaction. Not the same as being physical dude.

You still didn't provide any proof.

The idea of emotions isn't physical. The actual thing is a series of electromagnetic disturbances that can be captured on a screen. And energy, being a form of mass, qualifies for the highest level of physicality.

It's not born? So, then, what is born?

I mean we didn't choose if we wanted to be born, so why would he put us in hell? Whats stopping him from just leaving us dead (unless you go to heaven).batboy113

This is the single biggest problem I have with organized religions, the fact that they damn everyone else that doesn't fall into their group.

Though did you know that the Revelation of Peter, that is the revelation like story staring Peter instead of John has a scene in which Jesus and Peter are in hell checking out the suffering souls when Peter asks Jesus why he wants all these people to suffer for eternity. Then Jesus tells Peter that if someone in Heaven looks across to hell and asks god to free those suffering, it will happen, or in otherwords, there is no such thing as eternal damnation, only temporary. Of course this revelation story didn't make it into the approved version of the bible, so it isn't true.

Define Science Fiction? What is Possible and What isn't Possible, please help me understand this concept when you lack the ability to know how the core of the universal existence functions.Obsurion711

Then kindly explain to me "how the core of the universal existence functions," Oh Great One.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wait, I thought you were trying to prove emotions weren't physical.

So then, at what point does a zygote obtain a soul?

unholymight

Always...but it's not born.;)

Emotions aren't physical.....you can't see or touch them. They cause a physical reaction. Not the same as being physical dude.

You still didn't provide any proof.

The idea of emotions isn't physical. The actual thing is a series of electromagnetic disturbances that can be captured on a screen. And energy, being a form of mass, qualifies for the highest level of physicality.

It's not born? So, then, what is born?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]Because he's a misanthrope. Why else would the concept of original sin (your existence is a sin) be?unholymight

Technically, He didn't come up with original sin. Man did.:|

Man can't come up with ideas if he didn't exist, now can he?

yes...yes he can! man made the bible. duh. otherwise there wouldn't be so many plotholes

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wait, I thought you were trying to prove emotions weren't physical.

So then, at what point does a zygote obtain a soul?

xaos

Always...but it's not born.;)

Emotions aren't physical.....you can't see or touch them. They cause a physical reaction. Not the same as being physical dude.

You still didn't provide any proof.

The idea of emotions isn't physical. The actual thing is a series of electromagnetic disturbances that can be captured on a screen. And energy, being a form of mass, qualifies for the highest level of physicality.

It's not born? So, then, what is born?

I assume you have been assuming more than you should have been.

The idea of emotions isn't physical. The actual thing is a series of electromagnetic disturbances that can be captured on a screen. And energy, being a form of mass, qualifies for the highest level of physicality.

It's not born? So, then, what is born?

unholymight

Dude...birth is not a difficult concept. I'm not describing it to you.

Reactions in the brain are simply that....the reaction to the emotion. The emotion is NOT physical.

If one is frightened...the heart beats faster. But the heartbeat is not the physical representation of fear.

[QUOTE="batboy113"]I mean we didn't choose if we wanted to be born, so why would he put us in hell? Whats stopping him from just leaving us dead (unless you go to heaven).Insane00

This is the single biggest problem I have with organized religions, the fact that they damn everyone else that doesn't fall into their group.

Though did you know that the Revelation of Peter, that is the revelation like story staring Peter instead of John has a scene in which Jesus and Peter are in hell checking out the suffering souls when Peter asks Jesus why he wants all these people to suffer for eternity. Then Jesus tells Peter that if someone in Heaven looks across to hell and asks god to free those suffering, it will happen, or in otherwords, there is no such thing as eternal damnation, only temporary. Of course this revelation story didn't make it into the approved version of the bible, so it isn't true.

but how do we know anything in those stories (even the ideas they are based on are true?) The fact of the matter is that no one knoes. NOBODY...except dead people, because only they know. Everything else is just an assumption. It's like i've said before, the bible is a self help book to help stop as many people as possible from ruining their lives. But hey, those are my beliefs.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wait, I thought you were trying to prove emotions weren't physical.

So then, at what point does a zygote obtain a soul?

unholymight

Always...but it's not born.;)

Emotions aren't physical.....you can't see or touch them. They cause a physical reaction. Not the same as being physical dude.

You still didn't provide any proof.

The idea of emotions isn't physical. The actual thing is a series of electromagnetic disturbances that can be captured on a screen. And energy, being a form of mass, qualifies for the highest level of physicality.

It's not born? So, then, what is born?

I assume you have been assuming more than you should have been.

but how do we know anything in those stories (even the ideas they are based on) are true?

icarus212001

we don't, but the fact of the matter is that men edited the Bible to its present form.

[QUOTE="icarus212001"]

but how do we know anything in those stories (even the ideas they are based on) are true?

Hewkii

we don't, but the fact of the matter is that men edited the Bible to its present form.

We have over 13,000 manuscripts of the Bible, and the differences in all thirteen thousand to the editions we have now amount to about 0.001% of the entire Bible, and that .001% is mere spills of ink and spelling errors.

Anyway, to the topic: One theory is that, since matter cannot be created or destroyed, the soul has to go somewhere. The where simply depends on what the person wanted in life; Hell for those who reject God and Heaven for those that accept Him.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

The idea of emotions isn't physical. The actual thing is a series of electromagnetic disturbances that can be captured on a screen. And energy, being a form of mass, qualifies for the highest level of physicality.

It's not born? So, then, what is born?

LJS9502_basic

Dude...birth is not a difficult concept. I'm not describing it to you.

Reactions in the brain are simply that....the reaction to the emotion. The emotion is NOT physical.

If one is frightened...the heart beats faster. But the heartbeat is not the physical representation of fear.

An easy thing for some can be hard for others. So what is birth, if not conception? What is conception, if not birth?

Isn't an emotion just the combination of a series of chemical reactions? Like when someone takes an anti-depressant, they are happy. Destroy the gland in the brain producing this chemical, and the emotion is destroyed as well.

[QUOTE="icarus212001"]

but how do we know anything in those stories (even the ideas they are based on) are true?

Hewkii

we don't, but the fact of the matter is that men edited the Bible to its present form.

You have proof of this?

Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.Big_Bad_Sad

That's actually what's going to happen. . .I have no idea why people will follow him, but humanity has proven itself stupid beyond repair many times before. . .

An easy thing for some can be hard for others. So what is birth, if not conception? What is conception, if not birth?

Isn't an emotion just the combination of a series of chemical reactions? Like when someone takes an anti-depressant, they are happy. Destroy the gland in the brain producing this chemical, and the emotion is destroyed as well.

unholymight

Birth is not conception.

No....the chemical reactions occur due to the emotions. They are not the emotions. Anti depressants balance missing chemicals in the brain...yes. But they don't make the person happy.

Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.Big_Bad_Sad

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

An easy thing for some can be hard for others. So what is birth, if not conception? What is conception, if not birth?

Isn't an emotion just the combination of a series of chemical reactions? Like when someone takes an anti-depressant, they are happy. Destroy the gland in the brain producing this chemical, and the emotion is destroyed as well.

LJS9502_basic

Birth is not conception.

No....the chemical reactions occur due to the emotions. They are not the emotions. Anti depressants balance missing chemicals in the brain...yes. But they don't make the person happy.

Hm...i wonder how the feelings got there in the first place...this sounds like a thread! *scurries*

God gave you free will. It is your own doing if you are sent to Hell.foxhound_fox

And what is it that defines free will?

You have proof of this?

123625

here

The idea of a complete and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the beginning, that is from Apostolic times, has no foundation in history. The Canon of the New Testament, like that of the Old, is the result of a development, of a process at once stimulated by disputes with doubters, both within and without the Church, and retarded by certain obscurities and natural hesitations, and which did not reach its final term until the dogmatic definition of the Tridentine Council

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.123625

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.123625

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

I'm not convinced that that is what it is. . .I think Hell is permanent seperation from God, an ironic blessing for any atheist, who spends his life trying to do just that. Hell is not a punishment inasmuch as it is a reward; Hell is God giving atheists what they want.

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

An easy thing for some can be hard for others. So what is birth, if not conception? What is conception, if not birth?

Isn't an emotion just the combination of a series of chemical reactions? Like when someone takes an anti-depressant, they are happy. Destroy the gland in the brain producing this chemical, and the emotion is destroyed as well.

LJS9502_basic

Birth is not conception.

No....the chemical reactions occur due to the emotions. They are not the emotions. Anti depressants balance missing chemicals in the brain...yes. But they don't make the person happy.

So what is birth, if not conception?

If chemicals don't make up the emotions, then kindly tell everyone what does make up emotions.

[QUOTE="123625"]Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.foxhound_fox

...Lucifer is to HD-DVD as God is to Blu-Ray?

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.Dracargen

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

I'm not convinced that that is what it is. . .I think Hell is permanent seperation from God, an ironic blessing for any atheist, who spends his life trying to do just that. Hell is not a punishment inasmuch as it is a reward; Hell is God giving atheists what they want.

I agree with what you are saying. I know many people that will likely be sent to hell and i don't want them to suffer. I was just quoting scripture.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

An easy thing for some can be hard for others. So what is birth, if not conception? What is conception, if not birth?

Isn't an emotion just the combination of a series of chemical reactions? Like when someone takes an anti-depressant, they are happy. Destroy the gland in the brain producing this chemical, and the emotion is destroyed as well.

unholymight

Birth is not conception.

No....the chemical reactions occur due to the emotions. They are not the emotions. Anti depressants balance missing chemicals in the brain...yes. But they don't make the person happy.

So what is birth, if not conception?

If chemicals don't make up the emotions, then kindly tell everyone what does make up emotions.

but all of that is rendered obsolete from the very fact that no one can explain how the chemicals got there in the first place.

Hewkii

Nobody said the NT was from Apostolic times.:|

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.123625

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

So what is birth, if not conception?

If chemicals don't make up the emotions, then kindly tell everyone what does make up emotions.

unholymight

Right...birth is not conception.

I said they weren't physical. They aren't.

[QUOTE="123625"]Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.foxhound_fox

No hell is god's punishment on unbeleivers. Seperation from god. its is simple as that. Only the media dipicts Satan ruling hell, when he is actually on the earth at this moment.

...Lucifer is to HD-DVD as God is to Blu-Ray?icarus212001

And what is it that defines free will?Blood-Scribe

No hell is god's punishment on unbeleivers. Seperation from god. its is simple as that. Only the media dipicts Satan ruling hell, when he is actually on the earth at this moment.123625

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.Big_Bad_Sad

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

Satan hates humanity just as much as he hates God, because humans are God's most precious creations (we are on a higher level on the "special to God" scale than angels). By hurting us, he hurts God.

[QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.Big_Bad_Sad

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

Satan hates god therefore he hates us because we are in god's image. Satan doesnt care for humans at all, thats why he tempted eve so men would be separeate from god.

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.Dracargen

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

Satan hates humanity just as much as he hates God, because humans are God's most precious creations (we are on a higher level on the "special to God" scale than angels). By hurting us, he hurts God.