why would god create us to put us in hell?

pointless to argue when people don't even have facts straight. i'm no bible belter. not by a long shot but. but you can at least get ur broad facts straight with a few google clicks.Obsurion711

"A few Google clicks" isn't exactly going to do justice to a collection of works written thousands of years apart in several different languages in several different countries.

Why care about being put in hell? It's just a world away from god, which is pretty much the same as the world we live in right now...MetroidPrimePwn

You are sort of correct. Here, we are not completely seperated from God. But we are in Hell. That's what makes Hell so horrible.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.123625

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

I'm not convinced that that is what it is. . .I think Hell is permanent seperation from God, an ironic blessing for any atheist, who spends his life trying to do just that. Hell is not a punishment inasmuch as it is a reward; Hell is God giving atheists what they want.

I agree with what you are saying. I know many people that will likely be sent to hell and i don't want them to suffer. I was just quoting scripture.

Using this train of thought, its easy to see that, in an ironic twist of faith, Heaven and Hell...are both Heaven! And since they are both heaven, that must mean that hell is nonexistant. Which leads me to a philosophy that I've believed in for a while. There is no hell. Only a heaven. We are here because God wants us to experience life because he thinks its such a wonderful thing. Think, for a second, that you just saw the greatest movie ever! Now you want everyone to see it! more or less, this is what i believe.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why care about being put in hell? It's just a world away from god, which is pretty much the same as the world we live in right now...Dracargen

You are sort of correct. Here, we are not completely seperated from God. But we are in Hell. That's what makes Hell so horrible.

You forgot the endless pain and torture

hell isnt this firey place you think it is. hell is the place were there is an absence of God. Throughout our lives we make decision ourselves so it is up to us to decide to live a lifestyle that will either get you into heaven or go to hell where god is absent.

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.icarus212001

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

I'm not convinced that that is what it is. . .I think Hell is permanent seperation from God, an ironic blessing for any atheist, who spends his life trying to do just that. Hell is not a punishment inasmuch as it is a reward; Hell is God giving atheists what they want.

I agree with what you are saying. I know many people that will likely be sent to hell and i don't want them to suffer. I was just quoting scripture.

Using this train of thought, its easy to see that, in an ironic twist of faith, Heaven and Hell...are both Heaven! And since they are both heaven, that must mean that hell is nonexistant. Which leads me to a philosophy that I've believed in for a while. There is no hell. Only a heaven. We are here because God wants us to experience life because he thinks its such a wonderful thing. Think, for a second, that you just saw the greatest movie ever! Now you want everyone to see it! more or less, this is what i believe.

Not according to my beleif.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why care about being put in hell? It's just a world away from god, which is pretty much the same as the world we live in right now...blacktorn

You are sort of correct. Here, we are not completely seperated from God. But we are in Hell. That's what makes Hell so horrible.

You forgot the endless pain and torture

The pain and torture is the seperation from God. One thing I'd like to know: Hell is supposedly a pitch-dark place full of fire; How can Hell be dark if it is a bunch of fire?

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.icarus212001

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

I'm not convinced that that is what it is. . .I think Hell is permanent seperation from God, an ironic blessing for any atheist, who spends his life trying to do just that. Hell is not a punishment inasmuch as it is a reward; Hell is God giving atheists what they want.

I agree with what you are saying. I know many people that will likely be sent to hell and i don't want them to suffer. I was just quoting scripture.

Using this train of thought, its easy to see that, in an ironic twist of faith, Heaven and Hell...are both Heaven! And since they are both heaven, that must mean that hell is nonexistant. Which leads me to a philosophy that I've believed in for a while. There is no hell. Only a heaven. We are here because God wants us to experience life because he thinks its such a wonderful thing. Think, for a second, that you just saw the greatest movie ever! Now you want everyone to see it! more or less, this is what i believe.

No this is not the world god wanted us to live in,he wanted us to live in eden,where good and evil are non-existent.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why care about being put in hell? It's just a world away from god, which is pretty much the same as the world we live in right now...blacktorn

You are sort of correct. Here, we are not completely seperated from God. But we are in Hell. That's what makes Hell so horrible.

You forgot the endless pain and torture

[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="123625"]

[QUOTE="Big_Bad_Sad"]Whats always confused me is that if there was a Hell ruled by the Devil, why if we go to Hell we are tortured? If Satan is against God then wouldnt he take all the murderers and what-not and make an army to fight God? Not torture them.icarus212001

Hell is actually god's eternal wrath on those who didnt believe him.

I'm not convinced that that is what it is. . .I think Hell is permanent seperation from God, an ironic blessing for any atheist, who spends his life trying to do just that. Hell is not a punishment inasmuch as it is a reward; Hell is God giving atheists what they want.

I agree with what you are saying. I know many people that will likely be sent to hell and i don't want them to suffer. I was just quoting scripture.

Using this train of thought, its easy to see that, in an ironic twist of faith, Heaven and Hell...are both Heaven! And since they are both heaven, that must mean that hell is nonexistant. Which leads me to a philosophy that I've believed in for a while. There is no hell. Only a heaven. We are here because God wants us to experience life because he thinks its such a wonderful thing. Think, for a second, that you just saw the greatest movie ever! Now you want everyone to see it! more or less, this is what i believe.

I said that Hell is what atheists want, not that they'd like it.;)

You forgot the endless pain and torture blacktorn

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]Why care about being put in hell? It's just a world away from god, which is pretty much the same as the world we live in right now...blacktorn

You are sort of correct. Here, we are not completely seperated from God. But we are in Hell. That's what makes Hell so horrible.

You forgot the endless pain and torture

I beleive the torture of hell metaphore and that you will suffer so much when seperated from god.

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture foxhound_fox

I highly doubt it is true, because it is in the Apocrypha, but the Gospel of James says that Hell won't be eternal. . .Of course, the "Gospel" of James was written over three hundred years after James died. . .

The pain and torture is the seperation from God. One thing I'd like to know: Hell is supposedly a pitch-dark place full of fire; How can Hell be dark if it is a bunch of fire?

Dracargen

it could be heated but not lit.

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture foxhound_fox

Does a loving parent punish his or her child when she steals?

[QUOTE="unholymight"]

So what is birth, if not conception?

If chemicals don't make up the emotions, then kindly tell everyone what does make up emotions.

LJS9502_basic

Right...birth is not conception.

I said they weren't physical. They aren't.

Your response is broken.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"]

The pain and torture is the seperation from God. One thing I'd like to know: Hell is supposedly a pitch-dark place full of fire; How can Hell be dark if it is a bunch of fire?

Hewkii

it could be heated but not lit.

Where would the heat come from, though?

Does a loving parent punish his or her child when she steals?123625

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture foxhound_fox

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.blacktorn

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture blacktorn

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

[QUOTE="123625"]Does a loving parent punish his or her child when she steals?foxhound_fox

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

Where would the heat come from, though?

Dracargen

that depends on where Hell itself is.

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

123625

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture unholymight

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

Fallen angel. But he is also the most powerful i beleive.

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture unholymight

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

That was before he staged a coup against God.:|

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.foxhound_fox

The inherent flaw in such an assumption is that it inadvertently suggests that there is an absolute definition of right and wrong by which all members of the human race can agree upon. There isn't one thing that everyone in the world can agree on, especially not what is right and what is wrong. So how is it that anyone can truly say what it is that god would deem to be right and deem to be wrong?

[QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

unholymight

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

No. Only hate towards a person. Hate towards a sin is not in itself a sin; "Hate the sin and not the sinner."

Isn't hate a sin in itself?unholymight

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture Dracargen

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

That was before he staged a coup against God.:|

If there is one sinner in heaven, there must be more.

[QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

unholymight

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

Is it? I dont think it says hate is a sin in the bible but prove me wrong.

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

Dracargen

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

No. Only hate towards a person. Hate towards a sin is not in itself a sin; "Hate the sin and not the sinner."

God has emotions? Why isn't he crying for the dying children in Africa?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]You forgot the endless pain and torture unholymight

Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

That was before he staged a coup against God.:|

If there is one sinner in heaven, there must be more.

Yes, one-third of the angels in Heaven were cast out.:|

The inherent flaw in such an assumption is that it inadvertently suggests that there is an absolute definition of right and wrong by which all members of the human race can agree upon. There isn't one thing that everyone in the world can agree on, especially not what is right and what is wrong. So how is it that anyone can truly say what it is that god would deem to be right and deem to be wrong? Blood-Scribe

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

123625

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

Is it? I dont think it says hate is a sin in the bible but prove me wrong.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

unholymight

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

No. Only hate towards a person. Hate towards a sin is not in itself a sin; "Hate the sin and not the sinner."

God has emotions? Why isn't he crying for the dying children in Africa?

Perhaps He is.:|

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.foxhound_fox

Forgiveness in the after life is apparently possible,When Jesus died he saved many that we're stranded in between hell and heavon,however if you commit an immortal sin,there is nothing that the bible states you can redeem yourself,the trick is to heed the warnings and not do them in the first place,if an eternity in hell can't convince you not do it what on earth will?What will say, stop you turning on god once you get into heaven (Lucifer)

Heaven isn't meant to be easy to get into.

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]The inherent flaw in such an assumption is that it inadvertently suggests that there is an absolute definition of right and wrong by which all members of the human race can agree upon. There isn't one thing that everyone in the world can agree on, especially not what is right and what is wrong. So how is it that anyone can truly say what it is that god would deem to be right and deem to be wrong? foxhound_fox

Then how does a human figure out what he or she did is wrong?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

unholymight

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

No. Only hate towards a person. Hate towards a sin is not in itself a sin; "Hate the sin and not the sinner."

God has emotions? Why isn't he crying for the dying children in Africa?

Who said god doesnt have emotions? God is probably feeling very sad for the children in africa, right now.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.blacktorn

Forgiveness in the after life is apparently possible,When Jesus died he saved many that we're stranded in between hell and heavon,however if you commit an immortal sin,there is nothing that the bible states you can redeem yourself,the trick is to heed the warnings and not do them in the first place,if an eternity in hell can't convince you not do it what on earth will?What will say, stop you turning on god once you get into heaven (Lucifer)

Heaven isn't meant to be easy to get into.

Are you Catholic, by any chance?

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="blacktorn"]Well where do the sinners go...they don't roam with angels do they? Good and evil doesn't go exist in the spirit world,if it did it would be no better or worse than earth.quiglythegreat

Not really, I don't see anything wrong with being atheist when there's no proof in God, but I'd sure as hell see the error in that if God came up and told me so. In answer to the original question: Just for funzies. You get bored when you're immortal, that's a lot of time to kill.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

Dracargen

That was before he staged a coup against God.:|

If there is one sinner in heaven, there must be more.

Yes, one-third of the angels in Heaven were cast out.:|

I think now we're just mocking religion more than defending it.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

123625

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

No. Only hate towards a person. Hate towards a sin is not in itself a sin; "Hate the sin and not the sinner."

God has emotions? Why isn't he crying for the dying children in Africa?

Who said god doesnt have emotions? God is probably feeling very sad for the children in africa, right now.

Why would god have emotions?

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

Wasn't Satan once an angel .. who roamed with other angels .. who was a sinner?

unholymight

That was before he staged a coup against God.:|

If there is one sinner in heaven, there must be more.

Yes, one-third of the angels in Heaven were cast out.:|

I think now we're just mocking religion more than defending it.

Nope. The Bible says that when Lucifer rebelled, he took one-third of the angels with him.

[QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"][QUOTE="123625"]

See parents have likely made the same mistakes in the past before. But god is perfect he has never sinned so he can't have sinners in his presence in heaven. He hates sin.

123625

Isn't hate a sin in itself?

No. Only hate towards a person. Hate towards a sin is not in itself a sin; "Hate the sin and not the sinner."

God has emotions? Why isn't he crying for the dying children in Africa?

Who said god doesnt have emotions? God is probably feeling very sad for the children in africa, right now.

Yeah I know, it's just that he's so damn busy, he wishes he had the time to intervene, but when you're God you need to have priorities.

[QUOTE="Dracargen"][QUOTE="unholymight"]

God has emotions? Why isn't he crying for the dying children in Africa?

unholymight

Who said god doesnt have emotions? God is probably feeling very sad for the children in africa, right now.

Why would god have emotions?

He should be most familiar with emotions, after all, isn't he the one that gave it to us?

Why would god have emotions?

Blood-Scribe

Why wouldn't He?

Yeah I know, it's just that he's so damn busy, he wishes he had the time to intervene, but when you're God you need to have priorities.

darkmoney52

. . .Because God is required to come down here and fix our problems for us?