I don't know why the F ron paul is. I also don't really care. I'm backing China and Russia. I'm guessing he's neither, so I have no fear.
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[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] Have you ever contributed to a single political thread on gamespot ever? I honestly can't recall a single time. We could make an entire thread about how Vuurk is a c*nt I'm sure you would be much better versed on that discussion than a political one.
Vuurk
Oh I contribute quite often. Your threads just aren't particularly deserving of taking seriously...
Also:
Holy **** it isn't. I am so confused now,,,,
[QUOTE="Vuurk"]And you think you're individual vote will have any effect on the outcome of the election? It won't, so why sell out? =[airshocker
I'm not selling out. I'm a republican first. libertarian-leaning conservative second.
Romney has the best shot at winning, so he's going to get my vote. It's as simple as that.
Why would you vote for the person you thinks going to win,kinda missing the point....
I'm not American, but if I was I most certainly would not for vote for someone who has these 3 characteristics:
Highly principle driven
Unshakeable faith in his principles
A set of principles which include some that are deeply flawed and unworkable in the modern world
This is the same recipe that applies to suicide bombers and cult leaders.
[QUOTE="SUD123456"]Fallacy. truthI'm not American, but if I was I most certainly would not for vote for someone who has these 3 characteristics:
Highly principle driven
Unshakeable faith in his principles
A set of principles which include some that are deeply flawed and unworkable in the modern world
This is the same recipe that applies to suicide bombers and cult leaders.
Vuurk
what are some of his "deeply flawed and unworkable" principles?I'm not American, but if I was I most certainly would not for vote for someone who has these 3 characteristics:
Highly principle driven
Unshakeable faith in his principles
A set of principles which include some that are deeply flawed and unworkable in the modern world
This is the same recipe that applies to suicide bombers and cult leaders.
SUD123456
[QUOTE="SUD123456"]what are some of his "deeply flawed and unworkable" principles? states rights platform in this day in age for social issues and claiming he's for liberty at the same time.I'm not American, but if I was I most certainly would not for vote for someone who has these 3 characteristics:
Highly principle driven
Unshakeable faith in his principles
A set of principles which include some that are deeply flawed and unworkable in the modern world
This is the same recipe that applies to suicide bombers and cult leaders.
mingmao3046
[QUOTE="SUD123456"]what are some of his "deeply flawed and unworkable" principles?getting rid of state and national parks. Disbanding the Civil rights act. Legalizing hard drugs.I'm not American, but if I was I most certainly would not for vote for someone who has these 3 characteristics:
Highly principle driven
Unshakeable faith in his principles
A set of principles which include some that are deeply flawed and unworkable in the modern world
This is the same recipe that applies to suicide bombers and cult leaders.
mingmao3046
[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="SUD123456"]what are some of his "deeply flawed and unworkable" principles? states rights platform in this day in age for social issues and claiming he's for liberty at the same time.i dont think there is any state that would bring back segregation. anti abortion, probably. gay marriage; well that is a state issue right now. wouldnt change that. so basically you think abortion is more important than our debt, our wars, our currency, etcI'm not American, but if I was I most certainly would not for vote for someone who has these 3 characteristics:
Highly principle driven
Unshakeable faith in his principles
A set of principles which include some that are deeply flawed and unworkable in the modern world
This is the same recipe that applies to suicide bombers and cult leaders.
DroidPhysX
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"]i dont think there is any state that would bring back segregation. anti abortion, probably. gay marriage; well that is a state issue right now. wouldnt change that. so basically you think abortion is more important than our debt, our wars, our currency, etcmingmao3046Take every federal guideline that was decided by the supreme court in the last half century and turn it back to the states. These include abortion, miranda rights, exclusionary evidence, right to an attorney, death penalty only for murderers and 18+, one man one vote, and ton more. And where did I say i care more about abortion than all of that? :? I was just pointing out his flawed principles. because he is the only candidate who stands for ending our wars, and actually doing something about our debt He is a candidate that would like to see states and the federal government restrict freedoms and rights
I don't think people realize our debt problem cannot be fixed and printing the dollar is only going to worsen the effects of the devaluation/collapse of the currency the brick nations are already starting to move away and trade in gold next up dropping or devaluing the dollar or new reserve currency backed by something.
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]He is a candidate that would like to see states and the federal government restrict freedoms and rights If you truly believe that then you don't know Ron Paul's ideology at all. huh he sponsored various federal amendments to ban abortion and his views would hand over rights of citizens under federal guidelines to the states[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] because he is the only candidate who stands for ending our wars, and actually doing something about our debtVuurk
[QUOTE="Vuurk"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] He is a candidate that would like to see states and the federal government restrict freedoms and rightsDroidPhysXIf you truly believe that then you don't know Ron Paul's ideology at all. huh he sponsored various federal amendments to ban abortion and his views would hand over rights of citizens under federal guidelines to the states Yes, Ron Paul wants to empower the various state governments, not people.
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Vuurk"] If you truly believe that then you don't know Ron Paul's ideology at all. -Sun_Tzu-huh he sponsored various federal amendments to ban abortion and his views would hand over rights of citizens under federal guidelines to the states Yes, Ron Paul wants to empower the various state governments, not people. State elections are directly proportionate to population AND it's a 1:1 vote.
Unlike the U.S. Senate (all states regardless of size get the same) and President (get's elected by electoral college not directly by people).
So I agree with Ron Paul. Empowering state governments is effectively empowering the people as well.
Yes, Ron Paul wants to empower the various state governments, not people. State elections are directly proportionate to population AND it's a 1:1 vote.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] huh he sponsored various federal amendments to ban abortion and his views would hand over rights of citizens under federal guidelines to the statesKC_Hokie
Unlike the U.S. Senate (all states regardless of size get the same) and President (get's elected by electoral college not directly by people).
So I agree with Ron Paul. Empowering state governments is effectively empowering the people as well.
You could argue it's empowering the majority, but the majority has statistically shown a tendency to oppress the minority.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]State elections are directly proportionate to population AND it's a 1:1 vote.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yes, Ron Paul wants to empower the various state governments, not people. mattbbpl
Unlike the U.S. Senate (all states regardless of size get the same) and President (get's elected by electoral college not directly by people).
So I agree with Ron Paul. Empowering state governments is effectively empowering the people as well.
You could argue it's empowering the majority, but the majority has statistically shown a tendency to oppress the minority.You can make that argument with any system. But with state and local governments it's a direct democracy vs. republic for federal government.Yes, Ron Paul wants to empower the various state governments, not people. State elections are directly proportionate to population AND it's a 1:1 vote.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] huh he sponsored various federal amendments to ban abortion and his views would hand over rights of citizens under federal guidelines to the statesKC_Hokie
Unlike the U.S. Senate (all states regardless of size get the same) and President (get's elected by electoral college not directly by people).
So I agree with Ron Paul. Empowering state governments is effectively empowering the people as well.
There is nothing proportional about state elections.[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]State elections are directly proportionate to population AND it's a 1:1 vote.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yes, Ron Paul wants to empower the various state governments, not people. -Sun_Tzu-
Unlike the U.S. Senate (all states regardless of size get the same) and President (get's elected by electoral college not directly by people).
So I agree with Ron Paul. Empowering state governments is effectively empowering the people as well.
There is nothing proportional about state elections. How is it not? It is where I live. And it's a 1:1 vote. No electoral college.There is nothing proportional about state elections. How is it not? It is where I live. And it's a 1:1 vote. No electoral college. There are virtually no state legislatures that accurately represents the political views of its constituency, because of our widely used first past the post election system.[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]State elections are directly proportionate to population AND it's a 1:1 vote.
Unlike the U.S. Senate (all states regardless of size get the same) and President (get's elected by electoral college not directly by people).
So I agree with Ron Paul. Empowering state governments is effectively empowering the people as well.
KC_Hokie
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]How is it not? It is where I live. And it's a 1:1 vote. No electoral college. There are virtually no state legislatures that accurately represents the political views of its constituency, because of our widely used first past the post election system.It is where I live. The state legislature is directly proportionate and new state senate boundaries were drawn based on population. And I should also add at the local and state level we have ballot initiatives and referendums (direct democracy).[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There is nothing proportional about state elections. -Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]How is it not? It is where I live. And it's a 1:1 vote. No electoral college.KC_HokieThere are virtually no state legislatures that accurately represents the political views of its constituency, because of our widely used first past the post election system.It is where I live. The state legislature is directly proportionate and new state senate boundaries were drawn based on population. And I should also add at the local and state level we have ballot initiatives and referendums (direct democracy). Yeah, and ballot initiatives and referendums are disastrous (see also: California).
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There are virtually no state legislatures that accurately represents the political views of its constituency, because of our widely used first past the post election system.chessmaster1989It is where I live. The state legislature is directly proportionate and new state senate boundaries were drawn based on population. And I should also add at the local and state level we have ballot initiatives and referendums (direct democracy). Yeah, and ballot initiatives and referendums are disastrous (see also: California).Oh yea it's disastrous when the people at the local level instead of U.S congress made up mainly of congressmen from other states make laws for you.:roll:
because he is the only candidate who stands for ending our wars, and actually doing something about our debt He is a candidate that would like to see states and the federal government restrict freedoms and rights Ron Paul wants to: End the federal income tax Abolish the PATRIOT Act Abolish the DEA Abolish the Department of Homeland Security Abolish the TSA Close Guantanamo Bay Ron Paul is against: Gun control SOPA and all internet censors Don't Ask Don't Tell Ron Paul wants the federal government out of: Abortion Marriage How is he against civil liberties?[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Take every federal guideline that was decided by the supreme court in the last half century and turn it back to the states. These include abortion, miranda rights, exclusionary evidence, right to an attorney, death penalty only for murderers and 18+, one man one vote, and ton more. And where did I say i care more about abortion than all of that? :? I was just pointing out his flawed principles. DroidPhysX
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]He is a candidate that would like to see states and the federal government restrict freedoms and rights Ron Paul wants to: End the federal income tax Abolish the PATRIOT Act Abolish the DEA Abolish the Department of Homeland Security Abolish the TSA Close Guantanamo Bay Ron Paul is against: Gun control SOPA and all internet censors Ron Paul wants the federal government out of: Abortion Marriage How is he against civil liberties? Him sponsoring the Sanctity of Life Act is not wanting the federal government out. Also he wanted to bar the Supreme Court from hearing cases regarding the right to privacy (after the fact that many of these cases were set in stone) ergo, wanting to allow states to ban it.[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] because he is the only candidate who stands for ending our wars, and actually doing something about our debtRandPaul
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]How is it not? It is where I live. And it's a 1:1 vote. No electoral college.KC_HokieThere are virtually no state legislatures that accurately represents the political views of its constituency, because of our widely used first past the post election system.It is where I live. The state legislature is directly proportionate and new state senate boundaries were drawn based on population. And I should also add at the local and state level we have ballot initiatives and referendums (direct democracy). Please show me where it is in America that a party can get 30% of the vote and is guaranteed roughly 30% of the seats in the legislature. That system doesn't exist anywhere in this country - ergo no state legislatures accurately represents the political views of its constituency. It is a common occurrence where a majority of voters vote against a certain party, yet that party still gains control of the legislature, not only because of gerrymandered districts but because politicians only need a plurality of the vote to win.
Yeah, and ballot initiatives and referendums are disastrous (see also: California).Oh yea it's disastrous when the people at the local level instead of U.S congress made up mainly of congressmen from other states make laws for you.:roll: Yeah I'm sure gay people really felt empowered by Prop 8[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It is where I live. The state legislature is directly proportionate and new state senate boundaries were drawn based on population. And I should also add at the local and state level we have ballot initiatives and referendums (direct democracy). KC_Hokie
[QUOTE="RandPaul"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] He is a candidate that would like to see states and the federal government restrict freedoms and rightsDroidPhysXRon Paul wants to: End the federal income tax Abolish the PATRIOT Act Abolish the DEA Abolish the Department of Homeland Security Abolish the TSA Close Guantanamo Bay Ron Paul is against: Gun control SOPA and all internet censors Ron Paul wants the federal government out of: Abortion Marriage How is he against civil liberties? Him sponsoring the Sanctity of Life Act is not wanting the federal government out. Also he wanted to bar the Supreme Court from hearing cases regarding the right to privacy (after the fact that many of these cases were set in stone) ergo, wanting to allow states to ban it.And if you actually read the legislation you would see all it does it give the states authority to protect 'life'. So, again, states rights.
[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Oh yea it's disastrous when the people at the local level instead of U.S congress made up mainly of congressmen from other states make laws for you.:roll: Yeah I'm sure gay people really felt empowered by Prop 8And guess which minority group voted against it overwhelmingly?[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Yeah, and ballot initiatives and referendums are disastrous (see also: California).-Sun_Tzu-
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And if you actually read the legislation you would see all it does it give the states authority to protect 'life'. So, again, states rights. KC_HokieAnd how is this exactly enhancing ones freedoms and liberties?It takes the issue away from the federal government. There is no federal enforcement or anything in that text. And that power is given to the states or citizens of that state. Federal government through Supreme Court says states cannot ban abortion Ron Paul: States can ban abortion Seems that he wants to bolster the state governments liberties and freedoms at the expense of the people.
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And if you actually read the legislation you would see all it does it give the states authority to protect 'life'. So, again, states rights. RandPaulAnd how is this exactly enhancing ones freedoms and liberties? It allows the people to have their own laws in regards to a highly debated issue. People that want to make abortion illegal or restrict it don't look at it as restricting rights. They look at it as protecting the rights of the unborn. It's also a case of pseudo libertarian turned big government politician. Let's put the rights of the unborn over the rights of the born.
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It takes the issue away from the federal government. There is no federal enforcement or anything in that text. And that power is given to the states or citizens of that state. KC_HokieFederal government through Supreme Court says states cannot ban abortion Ron Paul: States can ban abortion Seems that he wants to bolster the state governments liberties and freedoms at the expense of the people.Even liberals are against late term abortions for example. Paul's text simply took it out of the hands of the federal government. Ok. Now show me the part where liberals are against abortion since that's what my point was about.
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="RandPaul"] It allows the people to have their own laws in regards to a highly debated issue. People that want to make abortion illegal or restrict it don't look at it as restricting rights. They look at it as protecting the rights of the unborn.RandPaulIt's also a case of pseudo libertarian turned big government politician. Let's put the rights of the unborn over the rights of the born.Libertarians draw a strict line between individual liberty and harming others. Some view abortion as the latter.Exactly. Libertarians are split on abortion just like they are on gay marriage.
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